On July 06 2012 17:45 Wrecken wrote: This tv will no be worth it. Black levels will be absolute shit on this thing, which is the most important aspect of picture quaility. That alone is a deal breaker
And as for OLED tvs , they won't really be viable for a few years until they work out its problems. Also, the Samsung and LG OLED being released this year have a targer msrp of around 10k, and that is unacceptable for a a mear 55" screen, and considering they are pretty unreliable in longevity, it will be a waste for this 1st gen. Until they work it out, the discontinued 2008/9 Pioneer KURO 9G will still remain the king of televisions.
Your lack of knowledge about TV displays makes me cringe.
Have you been living under a rock?
I actually am studying to become a professional tv calibrator and know quite a few famous people in the home theater business. The number one and most important aspect of picture quality is the black level of you tv. A deep inky black brings pop and realness to anything in the screen. The second most important aspect is color accuracy, followed by motion resolution. Hell I currently own the Sharp Elite, which cost 7500$ and is almost as good as the Pioneer 500krpm, but not quite. The only tvs I can even recomment today that can come close to the hailed Pioneer Kuro is the Panasonic vt50, for its .002 measured black level and 99% color accuracy, and then the Sharp Elite, which I own, because of its .0004 black level reading, superb black to white contrast and fairly accurate color accuracy. The only thing that will be better will be OLED since they can measure infinite black, which is unheard of right now.
Do you have any understanding of this new Samsung TV? It has much better color quality than those TVs you mentioned because it's $17,000. Come on, it's $17K for a reason.
On July 06 2012 17:45 Wrecken wrote: This tv will no be worth it. Black levels will be absolute shit on this thing, which is the most important aspect of picture quaility. That alone is a deal breaker
And as for OLED tvs , they won't really be viable for a few years until they work out its problems. Also, the Samsung and LG OLED being released this year have a targer msrp of around 10k, and that is unacceptable for a a mear 55" screen, and considering they are pretty unreliable in longevity, it will be a waste for this 1st gen. Until they work it out, the discontinued 2008/9 Pioneer KURO 9G will still remain the king of televisions.
Your lack of knowledge about TV displays makes me cringe.
Have you been living under a rock?
I actually am studying to become a professional tv calibrator and know quite a few famous people in the home theater business. The number one and most important aspect of picture quality is the black level of you tv. A deep inky black brings pop and realness to anything in the screen. The second most important aspect is color accuracy, followed by motion resolution. Hell I currently own the Sharp Elite, which cost 7500$ and is almost as good as the Pioneer 500krpm, but not quite. The only tvs I can even recomment today that can come close to the hailed Pioneer Kuro is the Panasonic vt50, for its .002 measured black level and 99% color accuracy, and then the Sharp Elite, which I own, because of its .0004 black level reading, superb black to white contrast and fairly accurate color accuracy. The only thing that will be better will be OLED since they can measure infinite black, which is unheard of right now.
Do you have any understanding of this new Samsung TV? It has much better color quality than those TVs you mentioned because it's $17,000. Come on, it's $17K for a reason.
Can you clarify what you mean by "better colour quality"? Because I'm not seeing how this will be a major leap over the TVs he has mentioned.
Edit: - If you mean colour accuracy, perhaps but I doubt it'll be significantly noticeable. You will still calibrate such an expensive screen yourself. At most, I imagine it will track blues and greens better than the current Sharp Elites. - If you mean colour space coverage, perhaps but this is still a LCD TV at the end of the day. This is not an OLED TV. You don't want wide gamut anyway. - If you mean black depth, it'll roughly match the TVs he's mentioned. They're all plasma or using local dimming. You won't achieve pure black because it is an LCD TV and not an OLED screen.
On July 06 2012 17:45 Wrecken wrote: This tv will no be worth it. Black levels will be absolute shit on this thing, which is the most important aspect of picture quaility. That alone is a deal breaker
And as for OLED tvs , they won't really be viable for a few years until they work out its problems. Also, the Samsung and LG OLED being released this year have a targer msrp of around 10k, and that is unacceptable for a a mear 55" screen, and considering they are pretty unreliable in longevity, it will be a waste for this 1st gen. Until they work it out, the discontinued 2008/9 Pioneer KURO 9G will still remain the king of televisions.
Your lack of knowledge about TV displays makes me cringe.
Have you been living under a rock?
I actually am studying to become a professional tv calibrator and know quite a few famous people in the home theater business. The number one and most important aspect of picture quality is the black level of you tv. A deep inky black brings pop and realness to anything in the screen. The second most important aspect is color accuracy, followed by motion resolution. Hell I currently own the Sharp Elite, which cost 7500$ and is almost as good as the Pioneer 500krpm, but not quite. The only tvs I can even recomment today that can come close to the hailed Pioneer Kuro is the Panasonic vt50, for its .002 measured black level and 99% color accuracy, and then the Sharp Elite, which I own, because of its .0004 black level reading, superb black to white contrast and fairly accurate color accuracy. The only thing that will be better will be OLED since they can measure infinite black, which is unheard of right now.
Do you have any understanding of this new Samsung TV? It has much better color quality than those TVs you mentioned because it's $17,000. Come on, it's $17K for a reason.
Can you clarify what you mean by "better colour quality"? Because I'm not seeing how this will be a major leap over the TVs he has mentioned.
Edit: - If you mean colour accuracy, perhaps but I doubt it'll be significantly noticeable. You will still calibrate such an expensive screen yourself. At most, I imagine it will track blues and greens better than the current Sharp Elites. - If you mean colour space coverage, perhaps but this is still a LCD TV at the end of the day. This is not an OLED TV. You don't want wide gamut anyway. - If you mean black depth, it'll roughly match the TVs he's mentioned. They're all plasma or using local dimming. You won't achieve pure black because it is an LCD TV and not an OLED screen.
Agreed with your points.
The main attraction of this TV is the fact is that it's the thinnest 70 inch+ TV on the market. I would buy this over the Sharp Elites or Pioneer TV's any day.
So what you're saying is that the $10,000 premium offers no benefits besides the ultra thin bezels? Or am I missing something here? I really think there has to be another catch that they haven't said. To most people who know anything, I doubt they would really spend $17,000 on an LCD TV if the Samsung OLED display is only theoretically $9000.
To be quite honest, if that is the only reason then why not wait for those 50" OLED screens to be released? I don't know how you use your money but $10,000 for thinner bezels does not sound like a sound investment considering that can be put into things that actually improve the experience...like sound or a proper theater room. You can save even more money if you choose Samsung's and Panasonic's 65" plasma TVs which are extremely cheap and have incredible motion performance and black depth.
Edit: LG's 55" W-OLED TV is only around $8000 which will basically be better in every way but size and perhaps longevity. And you can still use the spare cash for something worthwhile like improving your home theater system or your theater room.
Well, quality wise my project set up won't be as nice (but it runs 1080p) and it fills my entire wall... So if I was rich? Maybe I would sub that in instead, but other than that my bigger (perhaps not as sharp) display is fine for me, with addition to the 55inch TV I have in my basement, I doubt though I'd need it.
On July 06 2012 17:45 Wrecken wrote: This tv will no be worth it. Black levels will be absolute shit on this thing, which is the most important aspect of picture quaility. That alone is a deal breaker
And as for OLED tvs , they won't really be viable for a few years until they work out its problems. Also, the Samsung and LG OLED being released this year have a targer msrp of around 10k, and that is unacceptable for a a mear 55" screen, and considering they are pretty unreliable in longevity, it will be a waste for this 1st gen. Until they work it out, the discontinued 2008/9 Pioneer KURO 9G will still remain the king of televisions.
Your lack of knowledge about TV displays makes me cringe.
Have you been living under a rock?
I actually am studying to become a professional tv calibrator and know quite a few famous people in the home theater business. The number one and most important aspect of picture quality is the black level of you tv. A deep inky black brings pop and realness to anything in the screen. The second most important aspect is color accuracy, followed by motion resolution. Hell I currently own the Sharp Elite, which cost 7500$ and is almost as good as the Pioneer 500krpm, but not quite. The only tvs I can even recomment today that can come close to the hailed Pioneer Kuro is the Panasonic vt50, for its .002 measured black level and 99% color accuracy, and then the Sharp Elite, which I own, because of its .0004 black level reading, superb black to white contrast and fairly accurate color accuracy. The only thing that will be better will be OLED since they can measure infinite black, which is unheard of right now.
Do you have any understanding of this new Samsung TV? It has much better color quality than those TVs you mentioned because it's $17,000. Come on, it's $17K for a reason.
This tv will not track color very well, HELL you could get the Panasonix professional studio tv that is over $20k and even that has worse color accuracy than the Panasonic vt50 which is $3k. You need to know what you are talking about when it comes to this tech. There is even a 2010 Sony LED that is till on sale for $27k and its black level, color accuracy, sreen uniformity, and overall pq is far inferior to my Sharp Elite and especially the vt50.
On July 06 2012 17:45 Wrecken wrote: This tv will no be worth it. Black levels will be absolute shit on this thing, which is the most important aspect of picture quaility. That alone is a deal breaker
And as for OLED tvs , they won't really be viable for a few years until they work out its problems. Also, the Samsung and LG OLED being released this year have a targer msrp of around 10k, and that is unacceptable for a a mear 55" screen, and considering they are pretty unreliable in longevity, it will be a waste for this 1st gen. Until they work it out, the discontinued 2008/9 Pioneer KURO 9G will still remain the king of televisions.
Your lack of knowledge about TV displays makes me cringe.
Have you been living under a rock?
I actually am studying to become a professional tv calibrator and know quite a few famous people in the home theater business. The number one and most important aspect of picture quality is the black level of you tv. A deep inky black brings pop and realness to anything in the screen. The second most important aspect is color accuracy, followed by motion resolution. Hell I currently own the Sharp Elite, which cost 7500$ and is almost as good as the Pioneer 500krpm, but not quite. The only tvs I can even recomment today that can come close to the hailed Pioneer Kuro is the Panasonic vt50, for its .002 measured black level and 99% color accuracy, and then the Sharp Elite, which I own, because of its .0004 black level reading, superb black to white contrast and fairly accurate color accuracy. The only thing that will be better will be OLED since they can measure infinite black, which is unheard of right now.
Yup, that is why I am very excited for OLEDs because they measure a true inifinite black level. The Samsung and LG ones coming out this year, rumored September, will not be very relaible though as they are the first of their kind. I am very worries about the Samsung using a blue OLED, which has such a short lifespan.
I think that the 2nd gen Sharp Elite will be the best in pq for 2013, that is if it can track cyan correctly. 4k resolution will be a bonus if it has it, but obviously there will be no content for it. The OLEDs from what I have seen, seem super over saturated in colors, which is clearly not an accurate picture and is more so overblown so people can say, "ohh look at the pretty colors." As for its inifinite black level, it will be impossible to tell it apart from the Sharp Elite, that is unless you have them side by side in a pitch black room, cus even with the Elite there is a slight glow to it. Do you have any understanding of this new Samsung TV? It has much better color quality than those TVs you mentioned because it's $17,000. Come on, it's $17K for a reason.
Can you clarify what you mean by "better colour quality"? Because I'm not seeing how this will be a major leap over the TVs he has mentioned.
Edit: - If you mean colour accuracy, perhaps but I doubt it'll be significantly noticeable. You will still calibrate such an expensive screen yourself. At most, I imagine it will track blues and greens better than the current Sharp Elites. - If you mean colour space coverage, perhaps but this is still a LCD TV at the end of the day. This is not an OLED TV. You don't want wide gamut anyway. - If you mean black depth, it'll roughly match the TVs he's mentioned. They're all plasma or using local dimming. You won't achieve pure black because it is an LCD TV and not an OLED screen.
The OLEDs seem way to oversaturated, which I am guessing is to just attract ignorant buyers. Its biggest and most astounding feature is true infinite black levels. However, even that won't look much different compared to the Sharp Elite. The only way you will see a difference will be a full field black screen in a 100% dark room, where the Elite will have a slight glow.
If the 2nd gen Elite corrects the cyan error as well as the pushed greens, then it will be the best tv, ever, until OLEDs become more common.
If I had the money, probably yes, however I even if I had the money I do not really care for the smart TV stuff, if a version existed that was only a regular TV then hell yes, all I care for is high resolution, take the "smart TV" away and lower the price a bit
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And can't you really get a 80" in any tv/electronic store these days? but ye def looks nice
