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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:43:49
July 03 2012 19:30 GMT
#1
Not making a game change suggestion, I'm just revealing a vision in my head of my understanding of the game.

Protoss: Static defense that attacks air and ground(Cannon) Mobile ground to ground offense(Zealot)

Terran: Partially static defense(Bunker) that co-functions with offense that attacks air or ground(marine). Defense that is ground to ground or air to air(Planetary fortress lifting off as air to air defense?)

Zerg: A non static defense, in otherwords, a defensive offense. Zerglings multiplying on creep for a cost, but slowly losing life off creep. Air to air defense? (Overlords mutating in to static air to air defense)

Conclusion: This is just a perception of races that are suppose to be more assymetrically different, but proportionally equal. It should be possible to quote blizzard on their assymetrical approach, that their goal is for assymetrically different races.

The Roach Queen:

Tech Lab and Reactor are Terran's macro mechanics. The tech lab limits marauder production(No dual production from reactor).

The Roach Queen: Unlocks roach: Observation: Queen/Roach warren cost the same, same time to build. Zerg's macro mechanic, limiting roach production by roaches only being capable of being produced via queen's larvae.

Roaches are naturally fast.

Conclusion: Micro offensive roach, Offensively defending ling.

Observation: In either alpha or beta queens had the ability to "Deep Tunnel" This meant that zerg could place minimal defense at each hatchery, let's say, one spine crawler. Then, based on which base is targeted, you could deep tunnel all your queens collectively to the particular hatch and potentially cast multiple tranfusions on 1 spine crawler.

This ability was removed from the game.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:33:36
July 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#2
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

(Planetary fortress lifting off as air to air defense?)


You lost me at that part... Planetaries don't lift.

Edit: Never mind.. Just realized you're talking about what you think should be added to the game? I don't quite understand because you say this is all "your understanding of the game"
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:32:57
July 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#3
i don't understand
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:33:55
July 03 2012 19:33 GMT
#4
I'm confused. I think you're playing custom maps.
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
July 03 2012 19:33 GMT
#5
On July 04 2012 04:32 LovE- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

(Planetary fortress lifting off as air to air defense?)


You lost me at that part... Planetaries don't lift.


I said planetaries don't lift?
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
July 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#6
so what are we supposed to discuss? why the queen ability was removed or something about defence?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#7
"Conclusion: Micro offensive roach, Offensively defending ling."

Sorry but what does this mean? Your post is very confusing and I'm not sure what it is supposed to achieve.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
sOvrn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States678 Posts
July 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#8
Hey man. We all have random and weird thoughts when we are high, that doesn't mean we should write them down and even further doesn't mean we should post on TL. Need some cohesion and transitions man.
My favorites: Terran - Maru // Protoss - SoS // Zerg - soO ~~~ fighting!
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
July 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#9
On July 04 2012 04:33 AtlasMech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:32 LovE- wrote:
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

(Planetary fortress lifting off as air to air defense?)


You lost me at that part... Planetaries don't lift.


I said planetaries don't lift?


You said they lift for air to air...

They most certainly DO NOT lift.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Amridell
Profile Joined December 2011
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:36:31
July 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#10
This sounds like Kyfoid's suggest...oh wait, you have his username from the BNet forums. But since this is TL, I'll take it seriously. What's your point? Are you just aimlessly ranting?

Also, guys, this is Kyfoid, the hated troll from the blizz forums. He made this as a serious suggestion over there.
"As to the pool game. You'll notice he played like a faggot."
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
July 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#11
lol i think TC has lost everyone
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
July 03 2012 19:36 GMT
#12
On July 04 2012 04:35 LovE- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:33 AtlasMech wrote:
On July 04 2012 04:32 LovE- wrote:
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

(Planetary fortress lifting off as air to air defense?)


You lost me at that part... Planetaries don't lift.


I said planetaries don't lift?


You said they lift for air to air...

They most certainly DO NOT lift.


Oh, I'm sorry, this was just the initial perception that struck me.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:38:48
July 03 2012 19:37 GMT
#13
Looking back at your post history you have been temp banned/warned numerous times for creating OPs like this one.. so that explains a lot.

What are you trying to do with this OP. I don't know what exactly we should be talking about.. besides that none of us understand it.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
gammAwolfa
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland213 Posts
July 03 2012 19:38 GMT
#14
I think this should be blog
dota2 - imiceice ~
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
July 03 2012 19:38 GMT
#15
On July 04 2012 04:35 Amridell wrote:
This sounds like Kyfoid's suggest...oh wait, you have his username from the BNet forums. But since this is TL, I'll take it seriously. What's your point? Are you just aimlessly ranting?

Also, guys, this is Kyfoid, the hated troll from the blizz forums. He made this as a serious suggestion over there.


We can't have an exchange of aimless rant reflections?
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 03 2012 19:39 GMT
#16
On July 04 2012 04:38 AtlasMech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:35 Amridell wrote:
This sounds like Kyfoid's suggest...oh wait, you have his username from the BNet forums. But since this is TL, I'll take it seriously. What's your point? Are you just aimlessly ranting?

Also, guys, this is Kyfoid, the hated troll from the blizz forums. He made this as a serious suggestion over there.


We can't have an exchange of aimless rant reflections?


Actually, without direction or benefit, no~
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
July 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#17
My apologies.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
July 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#18
.... what?

I'm lost.
I love crazymoving
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
July 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#19
What the
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
July 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#20
Wow, what just happened
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
July 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#21
this is golden! I actually didn't understand anything, and I like it!
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
RMP
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom130 Posts
July 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#22
I completely agree with the OP. His points were cogent, and no more clarity is needed imo.
Amridell
Profile Joined December 2011
188 Posts
July 03 2012 19:45 GMT
#23
Guys, let this thread die. This guy is a massive troll over on the blizz forums.
"As to the pool game. You'll notice he played like a faggot."
CinnamonBun
Profile Joined July 2012
14 Posts
July 03 2012 19:45 GMT
#24
acid's one hell of a drug
spacebob42
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States78 Posts
July 03 2012 19:45 GMT
#25
Maybe you should keep the talking in your head until you can explain it to the rest of us.
I got lost at the part with the roaches being compared to marauders.
Go big or go home.
Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
July 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#26
Why is this happening?
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:54:33
July 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#27
Roach - Outside natural tech path

Banshee - Inside natural tech path.

Banshee > Roach

Maruader: Limited by tech lab

Roach: Not limited by queen (Roach produced through queen larvae)

Roach warren and the queen cost the exact same and extremely close build time.

Hmm... interesting.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
July 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#28
What the fuck
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Hiivankins
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland31 Posts
July 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#29
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

Conclusion: Micro offensive roach, Offensively defending ling.


What the hell?
:|
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 19:58:46
July 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#30
On July 04 2012 04:56 Hiivankins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:30 AtlasMech wrote:

Conclusion: Micro offensive roach, Offensively defending ling.


What the hell?


Minimal agressive fast roach.... multiplying defending ling, multiplying on creep, slowly dying off creep.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
July 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#31
Troll identified. Prepare for ban and/or close.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 20:00:34
July 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#32
The best defense is a good offense

The best defense is a good offense

The best defense is a good offense

The best defense... is offense.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
July 03 2012 20:14 GMT
#33
I don't understand this...vision
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 20:20:07
July 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#34
On July 04 2012 05:14 Moosegills wrote:
I don't understand this...vision


My greatest hope is that some kind of understanding of this vision comes to you in a dream.

Just keep in mind my signature if you will.



Zerg don't have expansions, they have hatcheries that are placed next to minerals regardless.
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 03 2012 20:20 GMT
#35
this thread makes no sense.

I'm closing it.
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