EPTJockstick or Mouse ? - Page 4
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SadMachine
United States98 Posts
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humanimal
United States151 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote: I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand. For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler + (which is why sticks often have acceleration to try to compensate, which mouse users often hate because it screws with their mechanic) (the distance gets screwed by acceleration, hence why mouse users often don't like it) Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster. I disagree, the joystick allows you that circular movement and easy access to key spells as a mouse does not. Why use two peripherals instead of just one? EDIT: Also, do you happen to be from Romania? | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote: I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand. For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler + (which is why sticks often have acceleration to try to compensate, which mouse users often hate because it screws with their mechanic) (the distance gets screwed by acceleration, hence why mouse users often don't like it) Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster. But moving the mouse to the left and the stick to the left is the same thing and ends with the same result. Do you have any actual proof that stick movement is slower than mouse movement? | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:55 SadMachine wrote: I think the DDR pad would work pretty well... You could scroll all over the map with the arrows and then stomp all over your opponent's army =P Hahaha. I've used my friends DDR pads to play Soul Caliber on his dreamcast against him before, it was pretty hilariously bad and funny how much either of us could do. I love that kinect is god tier and a piano keyboard is shit tier. And that chainsaw controller looks stylishly awesome and practically useless  | ||
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Areon
United States273 Posts
On June 15 2012 23:50 Gyro_SC2 wrote: Hi, Im a high master zerg using a jockstick. Plus button for Fungal Growth. Seems legit. | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
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MapleSparKz
United States61 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:58 Hoon wrote: But moving the mouse to the left and the stick to the left is the same thing and ends with the same result. Do you have any actual proof that stick movement is slower than mouse movement? I just explained how they are not the same thing, a different process to achieve the desired result (which both users wanted to do anyway), and how one of those processes is less accurate. I haven't heard of many studies that focused specifically on speed, and a joystick could have a high sensitivity and/or acceleration, but the process is inherently less accurate, which is far more important than speed. "It's not about clicking things fast; it's about clicking things at the right time" -Day[9] @humanimal A mouse can move circularly too. Also, extra mouse buttons can give access to key spells if you want. Can the joystick control everything on its own, for 1 peripheral? I see no place for camera keys and the like on the joystick. Or did you mean mouse+joystick instead of mouse+keyboard? And no I am not from Romania. | ||
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Scalepad
Sweden366 Posts
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Kryt0s
Germany209 Posts
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:12 Fyrewolf wrote: I just explained how they are not the same thing, a different process to achieve the desired result (which both users wanted to do anyway), and how one of those processes is less accurate. I haven't heard of many studies that focused specifically on speed, and a joystick could have a high sensitivity and/or acceleration, but the process is inherently less accurate, which is far more important than speed. "It's not about clicking things fast; it's about clicking things at the right time" -Day[9] @humanimal A mouse can move circularly too. Also, extra mouse buttons can give access to key spells if you want. Can the joystick control everything on its own, for 1 peripheral? I see no place for camera keys and the like on the joystick. Or did you mean jouse+joystick instead of mouse+keyboard? And no I am not from Romania. Yeah, you explained that it is more accurate, but I could explain you how birds can breed dogs, but it doesn't make it true. I bet a pong player has more accuracy in his game with a stick than with a mouse. | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:15 Kryt0s wrote: Don't feed the troll... I was going to respond again to the post below yours and above mine until I read this. Thank you for reminding me. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Edit: Which may even hide a small balance whine :D | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:16 Hoon wrote: Yeah, you explained that it is more accurate, but I could explain you how birds can breed dogs, but it doesn't make it true. I bet a pong player has more accuracy in his game with a stick than with a mouse. Say I want to move the in-game cursor to a specific point, with a mouse all I have to do is move the mouse slightly. The position of the cursor is controlled by the movement of the mouse. Mouse movement is pretty much instant. With a stick however it doesn't matter if you tilt it slightly or if you tilt it as hard/far as you can you still have to wait. That's just the nature of a stick and the nature of a mouse. :/ | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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humanimal
United States151 Posts
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
its like... pc vs consoles. | ||
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