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CptCutter
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom370 Posts
June 15 2012 17:01 GMT
#81
On June 15 2012 23:55 FairForever wrote:
Terran player troll -_-


no if it was a terran player troll, it would be about protoss.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
June 15 2012 17:02 GMT
#82
good effort, but obvious 5/10
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
June 15 2012 17:07 GMT
#83
Video or didn't happen.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
June 15 2012 17:07 GMT
#84
On June 16 2012 02:01 CptCutter wrote:
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On June 15 2012 23:55 FairForever wrote:
Terran player troll -_-


no if it was a terran player troll, it would be about protoss.

Actually 'Terran whine' is more focused at Zergs these days...
Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
June 15 2012 17:07 GMT
#85
while its amazing you play like this at that level, i dont think you can come anywhere close to the speed and precision of a good mouse. >__< i'd like to see a video of the joystick zerg in action though hahaha
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AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
June 15 2012 17:09 GMT
#86
Wow reminds me of my friend that plays DOTA well with a track pad. ppl these days are too epic man
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
June 15 2012 17:10 GMT
#87
Wow that is strange. Would love to see a video
DarKcS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1237 Posts
June 15 2012 17:10 GMT
#88
lol nice troll OP :X
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Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
June 15 2012 17:12 GMT
#89
Too obvious, still a pretty funneh idea
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
June 15 2012 17:16 GMT
#90
On June 16 2012 02:12 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Too obvious, still a pretty funneh idea

Not obvious enough though lol

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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
June 15 2012 17:18 GMT
#91
that sounds awesome video plssssss
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From Afar
Profile Joined June 2012
United States19 Posts
June 15 2012 17:19 GMT
#92
For people saying it's a troll,
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U
It exists, and I don't see what's stopping someone for using it for Starcraft.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
June 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#93
On June 16 2012 00:49 Terrorcore wrote:
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On June 16 2012 00:18 101998 wrote:
I have also tried several alternate controllers for SC2, OP. I have assembled my impressions into a handy list for all those interested:

[image loading]


Laughed really hard at this. Thank you for making my day.


LOLOLOL. Dam..
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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
June 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#94
So Joysticks DO exist?
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
June 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#95
On June 16 2012 02:19 From Afar wrote:
For people saying it's a troll,
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U
It exists, and I don't see what's stopping someone for using it for Starcraft.


No one was doubting the existence of the joystick, but rather the practicality of the application.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
June 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#96
Someone belive it ? common..-_-
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bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
June 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#97
Clicking the mini map at bottom left, then back to main screen microing some units would be troublesome.
Who knows, maybe OP actually pwn with it
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
June 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#98
On June 16 2012 01:54 MVega wrote:
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On June 16 2012 01:16 Hoon wrote:
On June 16 2012 01:12 Fyrewolf wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:58 Hoon wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:25 Hoon wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:21 Fyrewolf wrote:
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.

Oh wow that's some pretty serious analysis man.
You should make an article or something that shows the difference and proves that mouse is actually better than the joystick.


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler +
(which is why sticks often have acceleration to try to compensate, which mouse users often hate because it screws with their mechanic)
A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
(the distance gets screwed by acceleration, hence why mouse users often don't like it)

Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.

But moving the mouse to the left and the stick to the left is the same thing and ends with the same result.
Do you have any actual proof that stick movement is slower than mouse movement?


I just explained how they are not the same thing, a different process to achieve the desired result (which both users wanted to do anyway), and how one of those processes is less accurate. I haven't heard of many studies that focused specifically on speed, and a joystick could have a high sensitivity and/or acceleration, but the process is inherently less accurate, which is far more important than speed. "It's not about clicking things fast; it's about clicking things at the right time" -Day[9]

@humanimal A mouse can move circularly too. Also, extra mouse buttons can give access to key spells if you want. Can the joystick control everything on its own, for 1 peripheral? I see no place for camera keys and the like on the joystick. Or did you mean jouse+joystick instead of mouse+keyboard? And no I am not from Romania.

Yeah, you explained that it is more accurate, but I could explain you how birds can breed dogs, but it doesn't make it true.
I bet a pong player has more accuracy in his game with a stick than with a mouse.


Say I want to move the in-game cursor to a specific point, with a mouse all I have to do is move the mouse slightly. The position of the cursor is controlled by the movement of the mouse. Mouse movement is pretty much instant. With a stick however it doesn't matter if you tilt it slightly or if you tilt it as hard/far as you can you still have to wait. That's just the nature of a stick and the nature of a mouse. :/

Now you are discussing speed, no accuracy.
And no, the mouse movement is not instant.
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I'm outta here, enough trolling for me.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
June 15 2012 17:26 GMT
#99
A troll is someone that goes out of their way to bait people in order to start a shitstorm.

This is not a troll. This is someone messing around. Know the difference! The more you know!
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
June 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#100
I challenge you!

I will hotkey every note on a piano for things and stuff and beat you! Csharp will be morph baneling!
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