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Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 15 2012 15:21 GMT
#41
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
June 15 2012 15:23 GMT
#42
Can't wait til some progamer shows up with that in his booth and pwns errybody. Deal with it.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 15 2012 15:24 GMT
#43
o.O

I have a hard time imagining this being worthwhile, but damn, that's pretty sick :s
Would love to see some vids to see it in action first hand.
Anachromy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States194 Posts
June 15 2012 15:24 GMT
#44
Anyone here ever attempt to play Starcraft 64? it was a trial just to get SCV's to mine in that game. Joysticks typicially have no place in RTS land...

playing a MOBA with a joystick seems fairly possible though. only controlling 1 unit and no macro could be done well...
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
June 15 2012 15:25 GMT
#45
On June 16 2012 00:21 Fyrewolf wrote:
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.

Oh wow that's some pretty serious analysis man.
You should make an article or something that shows the difference and proves that mouse is actually better than the joystick.
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Fritzkefit
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany79 Posts
June 15 2012 15:26 GMT
#46
OP is not a troll! Been playing CS:S with my Logitech Joystick for years. pwning like a boss: kd ~ 2 with scout, quick-scope. You just got to find the right settings on sensibility etc.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
June 15 2012 15:31 GMT
#47
On June 16 2012 00:26 Fritzkefit wrote:
OP is not a troll! Been playing CS:S with my Logitech Joystick for years. pwning like a boss: kd ~ 2 with scout, quick-scope. You just got to find the right settings on sensibility etc.


Yup. CS:S and SC2 are totally the same in the way you play them.
Wahaha
Gantritor
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy112 Posts
June 15 2012 15:33 GMT
#48
Fail, zerg players have no hands.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 15 2012 15:41 GMT
#49
If this isn't a troll, please stream with a webcam on your joystick in the bottom corner
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 15 2012 15:43 GMT
#50
Pretty fucking unnecessary. Keyboard and mouse are much more practical.
BoilOlo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States139 Posts
June 15 2012 15:43 GMT
#51
i had interest in trying to experiment playing SC2 with a gamepad such as a n52te, or logitech g13. the advantages being: easy to reach customizable buttons, and thumbstick for scrolling. however, the disadvantages far out weigh the advantages such as: not having enough buttons for hotkey groups/map positions, too many different hotkey searches like "m" for ling speed, "b" for buildings, "t" for stim, "v" for second tier builds, etc.

in the end, its just faster to learn with a keyboard.
never cook bacon naked.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 15 2012 15:44 GMT
#52
On June 16 2012 00:25 Hoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 00:21 Fyrewolf wrote:
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.

Oh wow that's some pretty serious analysis man.
You should make an article or something that shows the difference and proves that mouse is actually better than the joystick.


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler +
(which is why sticks often have acceleration to try to compensate, which mouse users often hate because it screws with their mechanic)
A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
(the distance gets screwed by acceleration, hence why mouse users often don't like it)

Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
June 15 2012 15:46 GMT
#53
On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 00:25 Hoon wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:21 Fyrewolf wrote:
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.

Oh wow that's some pretty serious analysis man.
You should make an article or something that shows the difference and proves that mouse is actually better than the joystick.


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler +
(which is why sticks often have acceleration to try to compensate, which mouse users often hate because it screws with their mechanic)
A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
(the distance gets screwed by acceleration, hence why mouse users often don't like it)

Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.

Haha, oh wow.

I am thoroughly entertained.
Long live the King of Wings
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
June 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#54
I prefer the protoss version with the forcefield button :< phoenix are better planes!
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
June 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#55
God... I need to see you play some games with that
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
June 15 2012 15:49 GMT
#56
not so sure this feels real to me. sorry to be skeptical.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
June 15 2012 15:49 GMT
#57
ZvZ must be a nightmare with that thing haha
Terrorcore
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada132 Posts
June 15 2012 15:49 GMT
#58
On June 16 2012 00:18 101998 wrote:
I have also tried several alternate controllers for SC2, OP. I have assembled my impressions into a handy list for all those interested:

[image loading]


Laughed really hard at this. Thank you for making my day.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 15 2012 15:52 GMT
#59
Wait wait!! I have a better idea for OP troll : he could use both kb mouse AND the stick just like the ''It'' from South Park.

[image loading]
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 15 2012 15:55 GMT
#60
cant belive how u can accuratly move ur army oO
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