Jockstick or Mouse ?

On June 16 2012 00:01 Erik.TheRed wrote:
does this let you get a first person view of a mutalisk?

On June 15 2012 23:54 Crypdos wrote:
Obvious troll is obvious.

On June 16 2012 00:08 FlawlessFeeL wrote:
OP is obviously a troll. Stop bumping , he doesn't deserve our attention.

On June 15 2012 23:50 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
(mutalisk are like small planes) :D

On June 15 2012 23:54 Crypdos wrote:
Obvious troll is obvious.

On June 16 2012 00:21 Fyrewolf wrote:
It looks like fun.

But as to your question as to whether it's faster/better: No.

The inherent design of mouse movement vs stick movement means the mouse will ALWAYS be faster and more accurate than a stick.

On June 16 2012 00:26 Fritzkefit wrote:
OP is not a troll! Been playing CS:S with my Logitech Joystick for years. pwning like a boss: kd ~ 2 with scout, quick-scope. You just got to find the right settings on sensibility etc.

On June 16 2012 00:25 Hoon wrote:

Oh wow that's some pretty serious analysis man.
You should make an article or something that shows the difference and proves that mouse is actually better than the joystick.

On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote:


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler + A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.

On June 16 2012 00:18 101998 wrote:
I have also tried several alternate controllers for SC2, OP. I have assembled my impressions into a handy list for all those interested:

On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote:


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler + A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.

On June 16 2012 00:44 Fyrewolf wrote:


I don't have to because it's well-known fact. But since you don't seem to understand.

For controlling a cursor, a stick is inherently mechanically worse than a mouse. A stick must be held in a direction and WAIT for the cursor to scroll to the desired destination. The position you want to hit is based on the amount of time the stick was held. + Show Spoiler + A mouse must simply move a set distance from it's position to get to the desired destination. + Show Spoiler +
Being able to pinpoint move the mouse say, 1.5 inches, for it's desired destination is more accurate and faster than holding the stick and waiting say, .5 seconds, for a cursor to scroll there. As I said, the inherent design, the non-relative mechanic of estimating distance vs the relative mechanic of estimating time, means the mouse will always be more accurate and faster.

On June 16 2012 00:55 SadMachine wrote:
I think the DDR pad would work pretty well... You could scroll all over the map with the arrows and then stomp all over your opponent's army =P

On June 15 2012 23:50 Gyro_SC2 wrote:

Hi, Im a high master zerg using a jockstick.

On June 16 2012 00:58 Hoon wrote:

But moving the mouse to the left and the stick to the left is the same thing and ends with the same result.
Do you have any actual proof that stick movement is slower than mouse movement?

On June 16 2012 01:12 Fyrewolf wrote:


I just explained how they are not the same thing, a different process to achieve the desired result (which both users wanted to do anyway), and how one of those processes is less accurate. I haven't heard of many studies that focused specifically on speed, and a joystick could have a high sensitivity and/or acceleration, but the process is inherently less accurate, which is far more important than speed. "It's not about clicking things fast; it's about clicking things at the right time" -Day[9]

@humanimal A mouse can move circularly too. Also, extra mouse buttons can give access to key spells if you want. Can the joystick control everything on its own, for 1 peripheral? I see no place for camera keys and the like on the joystick. Or did you mean jouse+joystick instead of mouse+keyboard? And no I am not from Romania.

On June 16 2012 01:15 Kryt0s wrote:
Don't feed the troll...

On June 16 2012 01:16 Hoon wrote:

Yeah, you explained that it is more accurate, but I could explain you how birds can breed dogs, but it doesn't make it true.
I bet a pong player has more accuracy in his game with a stick than with a mouse.

On June 15 2012 23:55 FairForever wrote:
Terran player troll -_-

On June 16 2012 02:01 CptCutter wrote:


no if it was a terran player troll, it would be about protoss.

On June 16 2012 02:12 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Too obvious, still a pretty funneh idea

On June 16 2012 00:49 Terrorcore wrote:


Laughed really hard at this. Thank you for making my day.

On June 16 2012 02:19 From Afar wrote:
For people saying it's a troll,
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U
It exists, and I don't see what's stopping someone for using it for Starcraft.

On June 16 2012 01:54 MVega wrote:


Say I want to move the in-game cursor to a specific point, with a mouse all I have to do is move the mouse slightly. The position of the cursor is controlled by the movement of the mouse. Mouse movement is pretty much instant. With a stick however it doesn't matter if you tilt it slightly or if you tilt it as hard/far as you can you still have to wait. That's just the nature of a stick and the nature of a mouse. :/