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On June 01 2012 16:20 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:17 endy wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either... I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please. You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT?
Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
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i'm asian american and while i understand the sentiment its mainly due to cultural clash that this thing exists. i don't subscribe to this type of propaganda obviously, but yes asian culture is much more conservative when it comes to dating etc... so this type of issue is actually somewhat legitimate in our culture (even though i disagree with the the idea behind it).
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Some people in Korea being nationalist, xenophobic, racist even? What a newsworthy thread. I'm sure no-one has heard anything like this ever before.
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On June 01 2012 16:17 Forsy wrote:
Most of the issues they mention can be solved by:
1) Common/Sense Intelligence - have korean women make smarter decisions on which kind of people she dates (foreigner or not), and understand what reason the men are most likely to go for her. Hint: it's not for learning to speak Korean, or to find a starcraft date, although sometimes the latter is true!
2) Condoms - pregnancies and STIs are much less likely with "teh rubber".
common sense in the western tradition yes, but this type of liberal attitude towards sexual relationships (which i share since i am american) is not really accepted in asian culture (i'm chinese).
i wasn't allowed to date in middle school or high school, and mainly kept those type of feelings to myself the majority of the time (even feigned disinterest in women for the sake of not feeling embarassed). there's also the stereotype that a lot of foreigners (i dunno if this term is really acceptable, but mainly white guys) that go to said asian country for women are typically losers in their own countries who can't get women etc...
again i'm not stating these as facts, but as cultural images/attitudes that you may not be familiar with.
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On June 01 2012 16:24 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:20 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:17 endy wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either... I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please. You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better? I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
Oh snap.
On topic: It's quite obvious to me that foreigners are not to blame, men trying to have sex with women AMAGAD NO WAY!
I know too little about Asian/Korean culture to make any possible claims regarding the actual cause, or if this is even a real issue at all, since men trying to sleep with women (foreign or not) happends everywhere. Perhaps the women are more naive in Asia? Perhaps foreigners are overhyped in Asia? I wouldn't know.
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So Korean women can be easy to fall for foreigners? They haven't learned from Tossgirl meeting idrA?
Really though, if this is an issue then I see no reason why they wouldn't be allowed to broadcast it, even if it is 'offensive' . There are documentaries shows about black gangs all the time, yet nobody cries bloody murder about them.
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The crazy music makes me feel like I should be watching some kind of boss fight.
I don't know what they expect, Korean girls and guys will hook up in clubs regardless of the presence of foreigners. It's just the outlet for today's younger generation. To call it a documentary is just a farce, because a documentary would look into Korean w/ Korean relationship interactions as well. This is just a smear campaign against foreigners, but hey there's smear campaigns all over the place in journalism.
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On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either...
why would science study such an issue is a good question to ask, which is probably why the sample size is so low.
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On June 01 2012 16:24 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:20 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:17 endy wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either... I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please. You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better? I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
This is very well evidenced. Go to google scholar and search "black IQ", "race IQ".
Still no evidence for your beliefs?
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This is a problem in all conservative states... tbh I feel more like laughing than anything else, but it is a little pathetic. Just think about the 'united mothers groupd' or w/e the name was and all it has done to destroy starcraft.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 16:33 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:24 brachester wrote:On June 01 2012 16:20 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:17 endy wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either... I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please. You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better? I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge. This is very well evidenced. Go to google scholar and search "black IQ", "race IQ". Still no evidence for your beliefs? Don't derail this thread now... This is off topic, but those studies are bullshit as long as they don't weigh in the correlation of wealth, health and IQ. Talking about race is jumping to unscientific conclusions.
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On June 01 2012 16:29 Linkirvana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 16:24 brachester wrote:On June 01 2012 16:20 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:17 endy wrote:On June 01 2012 16:10 arbitrageur wrote:On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote:
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
. So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims. Can't forget a control sample either... I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please. You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better? I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge. Oh snap. On topic: It's quite obvious to me that foreigners are not to blame, men trying to have sex with women AMAGAD NO WAY! I know too little about Asian/Korean culture to make any possible claims regarding the actual cause, or if this is even a real issue at all, since men trying to sleep with women (foreign or not) happends everywhere. Perhaps the women are more naive in Asia? Perhaps foreigners are overhyped in Asia? I wouldn't know.
You can say that it's a combination of asian women being naive and overhyped foreigners. I remember I used to get quite excited whenever we have foreign tourist come to our English class when we were in elementary school.
There are some legit asian-foreigner couples though, not all are bad. Only some foreigners took advantage of the situation.
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Man says nigger on a stream...Grab the pitchforks
Major news corporation in a country spouts shit about foreigners on national TV-It's cool brah
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This seems to me a very dramatic way of engaging these problems. The whole video seems to implicate that all foreigners are bad and should be avoided. I don't think this is a very good way to spread acceptance and respect for different cultures. Of course it also raises interesting questions, like why are korean girls so into foreigners that they throw caution to the wind, but it doesn't bring them up in a way that suggest they are interested in a calm and reasoned answer but the video seems more interested in spreading fear. Mabye in order to sensitize young korean girls to the issue, so they are more careful.
However much I think think that that is a good idea this video is a very bad way of going about it in my opinion, because of the reasons stated above. The whole issue could have been handled way better.
On a side note: I love the fact that there is so much exposure of media via the internet, that I, a dude living in germany, am able to criticize a report of a korean tv channel. =) Keep going strong, Internet!
P.S.: I am sorry for the women that got the real assholes.
P.P.S.: The difference in the psychology of sexual/relationship stages would be very interesting. What stage of relationship corresponds to what level of intimacy in foreign (yay.. nice generalization) and korean psychology? I think I read somewhere that there were some quite big differences in WW2, where for example kissing was not a big commitment for american soldiers, but english women perceived it as a sign of very big affection which usually came a few steps later in the development of the relationship (if the other person would have been a fellow englishman). (But I read this some time ago, so don't quote me on that.) This probably plays into this whole issue too.
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Im sorry but i have to comment on the one foreigner who slept with a Korean women gave her HIV and then dipped, these men to me are the absolute scum of the earth and deserve any terrible thing that ever happens to them. Literally it makes me mad enough to fucking kick a door down that some guy would just fucking do that. (assuming its legitimate and not propaganda)
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
I'm unsurprised tbh. Korea is known (like most countries depending upon the subjects that the media know will gain them attention), for this kind of garbage sensationalist/generalization journalism. As a woman living there I was kind of lucky because I was never subject to the whole 'Foreign guy come to rape/stain our women.' kind of treatment. Whilst it's true that there are some men who come to SK with a bit of 'yellow fever' and do have the intention to date Korean women as a priority there are also plenty of Korean men whose treatment of Korean/foreign women is just the same (it's just a slightly different style when it comes to PDA.)
There's even a group called Anti-English Spectrum who are specifically targeted towards exposing foreigners who are engaging in anything they deem to be unacceptable (It's fine if those involved are breaking the law), but apparently this group has stalked and harassed completely innocent people in the past. I've also heard stories on Dave's ESL Cafe of (usually older and almost always drunk) Korean men abusing foreign man/Korean woman couples on the street for no apparent reason (beyond their own xenophobia.) Personally, the majority of young Korean guys I came into contact with where intensely immature, and the older generation were often drunk, angry and annoying. I did meet some lovely men over in SK, but seeing the weekday falling-down-drunk antics of people old enough to know better really didn't make me think 'Wow, they're so superior to Foreign men.'
It's comically biased to suggest that the Korean women who date foreign men are being taken advantage of - if they're going to popular foreigner hang outs/going into clubs where there will definitely be foreign men then it's a given that some of the guys in there might try to hit on them. It's not as if they're poor powerless virgins with no means to say no.
I enjoyed my time in SK, but seeing things like this make me glad I left.
(I did find it kind of funny that they altered the voices to make everyone sound like a chipmunk though.)
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This is simply sensationalist journalism. This is no different to women from the US loving Australian accents or vice versa - they're just playing on it because the inter-racial gap between S.Korea and English speaking countries is much bigger. This happens everywhere.
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Eh. There is always sensationalist reporting like this in Korea. There are idiots all over the world. I would advise everyone here to use some common sense - don't believe everything you see on TV.
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United States2209 Posts
Some real strange people in this thread. A guy shares his opinion (from his personal experience) and people immediately jump on him because they disagree or simply can't accept his views - asking for "scientific evidence in the form of research and/or academic papers". Give me a fucking break?
His opinion was a social issue in his own country (Vietnam). What are the chances that you can find five sociological academic and/or research papers detailing an issue such as the race or nationality that women prefer in that particular country? Who the fuck will dedicate time and effort writing about something like that, especially when it's already widely accepted?
Seriously, not everything can be studied. There are tons of women in the Philippines, Indonesia, and other third-world countries taking up odd jobs in international cities like Singapore, Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong in order to meet "foreigners" that can take them away from their impoverished lives. Does that fact require an in-depth scientific study?
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It's a combination of sensationalism, general Korean xenophobia (and a lot of Asian nations in general do tend to have this kind of bias), and general conservatism, though there may be intersections of course. It's just that type of mentality oftentimes, and while apparently terrible to us, the flagrant thing to many watching the program will likely just be the behavior of the foreigners, which is a shame really since obviously there are "bad" people regardless of race and creed (same could be said for those producing the segment).
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damn those high pitched voice effects make me laugh too much, couldn't finish the video. But from what i saw of it, its just cheap journalism. No one should take that seriously, and if they do, then they have a much bigger problem than that addressed in the video
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