Hi fine TL's.....take a seat and let me show you one of the more distrubing things to have been broadcasted on Korean TV lately
This is arguably the worst piece of trash that I have ever seen...and to be honest it may seem comical but older generations of koreans take everything they see on TV as fact...therefore creating negative images of us foreigners.
I live in Korea so these kind of things make it harder for us to make a good name. I'm not saying that all Koreans believe this, but even if there are a few it's pretty darn bad. I already live with the staring, random abuse from drunk people in family mart...but it makes me laugh that they make foreigners look like sex hungry maniacs when there are thousands of sex industry places scattered across Korea. Dabangs, Gayobangs and the Jeomcheons of Korea (a city famous for its redlight area)
It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
Being a American male, who is dating a Korean woman I find this silly. I think there are silly things like this all over the world though. It's just another one of those things where instead of being responsible for your actions you claim to be a victim. It's pretty stupid but I don't really have much of a problem with it, we have stupid things like this in America too. Not quite that bad, but similar.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
Scientific evidence for the claim that you've made. Have you looked at any or do you just watch the news?
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
-_- How about I actually know a person who is a victim?
Holy crap this is on a whole new level of Dave Chapelle-style racism. (That was so racist I can't even get mad!) As if the Korean women can't make their own decisions on who to date and who not to date. Come on people, this is just silly...
The thing is that the documentary isn't completely untrue. Certain types of Korean women are easier to date as a Caucasian, and many Caucasians know and take advantage of this. If you like the nightlife in any major city, you may find that exchange students from Asia are relatively easy to approach as a Caucasian because of their inherent curiosity of what is unknown to them.
On the other hand, this documentary should also open up Teamliquid, which generally sees Korea through rose-tinted glasses, to the prejudice that is quite the norm in Korean culture. In many aspects of their culture, when criticism is raised, it can be unrelentless and not altogether reasonable.
I can't post a source because what source exists apart from social experience and knowledge?
Just my opinion.
Edit: the shammy way they did the documentary is not uncommon for these types of shows in any country that I know of
In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
As for the documentary itself, I don't see it as racist or anything, it mainly says that Korean women are very interested in foreigners and are 'easy' for them (see the girl waiting for a cab example). Then it says that some foreigners took advantage of it. To me the documentary blames as much the korean girls as the foreigns men.
One scene of a foreigner saying "koreans are beautiful". and the rest of the documentary they are protrayed as horny perverts and scammer and infects people with HIV. dafuq is this lol
I'm suprised by some of the comments..I can see the 'wow this is pretty funny' stuff as if I saw it and it wasn't aimed at me (I'm dating a korean girl...2 years and still going). Kind of like the foreigner are pigs advert that came from samsung....though that was purely silly.
Yes it is easy to pick up foreigners, but to say we have HIV? anyone who is here for a long time has to have blood tests ON ARRIVAL. Also, you have to look at the morals of the woman if this actually is a problem...if they were so prudish they wouldnt be putting out so soon!
Um. It is not as if these women are helpless. Foreigners aren't going there and raping them. It is the same story here, and I bet it is the same over there. Women+Alcohol+Men= Sex. Foreign people are more attractive and appealing. There are probably natives in Korea that do the same thing, but no one cares because it is not a story.
I don't find this video particularly offensive, I mean sure it's biased, but not without reason. When a culture that is used to being isolated experiences large amount of foreigners through tourism or emigration it is natural for them to be concerned with the new-comers manners/habbits/actions, and and trying to protect their women is a part of that. In the end all it's really doing is painting foreigners in a somewhat negative light by highlighting some unfortunate behavior/occurances, and warning the Korean women from getting intimate with foreign men too fast.
Not "terrible anti foreigner reporting," just standard media sensationalism-skewed bias.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
-_- How about I actually know a person who is a victim?
So you have 1 sample size? Do you understand the concept of distributions? If I find 1 person that got raped by a negro, you would be right in assuming that I can't extrapolate that 1 sample size observation to conduct inference towards the population.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
-_- How about I actually know a person who is a victim?
you know one person who is a victim
Guess its an international problem across all of asia! Lil bit of a jump there
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!"
As for the documentary itself, I don't see it as racist or anything, it mainly says that Korean women are very interested in foreigners and are 'easy' for them (see the girl waiting for a cab example). Then it says that some foreigners took advantage of it. To me the documentary blames as much the korean girls as the foreigns men.
Yes, thank you. Finally a person using real experience and common sense instead of sticking their face into 5 academic papers.
@OptimusYale: They didn't say foreigners have HIV LOL. What they said is that it is easier for foreigner to take advantage of a korean girl eagerness to have relationship with foreigners, which lead to possible case of HIV. So they didn't necessary bash white people have HIV.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
to be fair, MBC are the using anecdotes too. I don't see any compiled data
I don't understand why this is "trash" or bad? It's not offensive or negative at all. It's raising awareness about issues that do exist, and though it may sound offensive, it is just the way Asian culture is. I'm not Korean, but I am Asian, and as an Asian, I have seen this idea of "foreigners" shitting on Asians and their cultural values many times. I've also seen Asians shitting all over other people just because they're foreigners as well. The problem is, individuals group everyone into one category just because of their race or ethnicity and then people put a label on them, upsetting millions of people. If the video had presented its message in a more "appropriate" way, no one would be so uptight about it. But it isn't, so get over it. I love how in the U.S., one Asian guy does something horrible and he's immediately front page news, but twenty other white guys have done the same thing yet they get a 1 minute coverage on Breaking News, Live at 11. It's the fucking media folks, deal with it.
Anyways, generally speaking, the Asians have very conservative cultures. They will speak about foreigners in disrespectful ways and will look down on interracial relationships. But you know what? There is a good amount of truth in the things Asians have to say about "foreigners". But it's not just foreigners causing problems, everyone does it to everyone else at some point. It's only being emphasized in Korea because it's starting to become a large issue there.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
1) Common/Sense Intelligence - have korean women make smarter decisions on which kind of people she dates (foreigner or not), and understand what reason the men are most likely to go for her. Hint: it's not for learning to speak Korean, or to find a starcraft date, although sometimes the latter is true!
2) Condoms - pregnancies and STIs are much less likely with "teh rubber".
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
what the hell ? rofl? What an absurd request. You called him a bigot when you're completely oblivious to the situation at hand? Only the USA/Europe write massive research papers about everything, and anything. I'm not defending the video nor his point but to make yourself sound like an expert on the topic when you don't even know about "Asian women's" mentality when it comes to foreign men is ridiculous. It's pretty much common knowledge in that area of the world and I don't even come from a South East Asian country myself.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I've asked you both for evidence of your truth claims. You've provided none.
Seriously, 5 academic papers with citation? Attacking the guy for providing anecdotal evidence (not invalid)? Get off your intellectual high horse. I'm sure he wasn't generalizing in an overt way (didn't seem like it to me), just making observations.
On topic: Pretty funny actually. Got a good laugh out of that.
Total BS. It's embarrassing that this topic even got picked up. There are lots of programs like this everywhere. Just picking stuff out of the context and making some people look bad.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
i'm asian american and while i understand the sentiment its mainly due to cultural clash that this thing exists. i don't subscribe to this type of propaganda obviously, but yes asian culture is much more conservative when it comes to dating etc... so this type of issue is actually somewhat legitimate in our culture (even though i disagree with the the idea behind it).
On June 01 2012 16:17 Forsy wrote: Most of the issues they mention can be solved by:
1) Common/Sense Intelligence - have korean women make smarter decisions on which kind of people she dates (foreigner or not), and understand what reason the men are most likely to go for her. Hint: it's not for learning to speak Korean, or to find a starcraft date, although sometimes the latter is true!
2) Condoms - pregnancies and STIs are much less likely with "teh rubber".
common sense in the western tradition yes, but this type of liberal attitude towards sexual relationships (which i share since i am american) is not really accepted in asian culture (i'm chinese).
i wasn't allowed to date in middle school or high school, and mainly kept those type of feelings to myself the majority of the time (even feigned disinterest in women for the sake of not feeling embarassed). there's also the stereotype that a lot of foreigners (i dunno if this term is really acceptable, but mainly white guys) that go to said asian country for women are typically losers in their own countries who can't get women etc...
again i'm not stating these as facts, but as cultural images/attitudes that you may not be familiar with.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
Oh snap.
On topic: It's quite obvious to me that foreigners are not to blame, men trying to have sex with women AMAGAD NO WAY!
I know too little about Asian/Korean culture to make any possible claims regarding the actual cause, or if this is even a real issue at all, since men trying to sleep with women (foreign or not) happends everywhere. Perhaps the women are more naive in Asia? Perhaps foreigners are overhyped in Asia? I wouldn't know.
So Korean women can be easy to fall for foreigners? They haven't learned from Tossgirl meeting idrA?
Really though, if this is an issue then I see no reason why they wouldn't be allowed to broadcast it, even if it is 'offensive' . There are documentaries shows about black gangs all the time, yet nobody cries bloody murder about them.
The crazy music makes me feel like I should be watching some kind of boss fight.
I don't know what they expect, Korean girls and guys will hook up in clubs regardless of the presence of foreigners. It's just the outlet for today's younger generation. To call it a documentary is just a farce, because a documentary would look into Korean w/ Korean relationship interactions as well. This is just a smear campaign against foreigners, but hey there's smear campaigns all over the place in journalism.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
why would science study such an issue is a good question to ask, which is probably why the sample size is so low.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
This is very well evidenced. Go to google scholar and search "black IQ", "race IQ".
This is a problem in all conservative states... tbh I feel more like laughing than anything else, but it is a little pathetic. Just think about the 'united mothers groupd' or w/e the name was and all it has done to destroy starcraft.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
This is very well evidenced. Go to google scholar and search "black IQ", "race IQ".
Still no evidence for your beliefs?
Don't derail this thread now... This is off topic, but those studies are bullshit as long as they don't weigh in the correlation of wealth, health and IQ. Talking about race is jumping to unscientific conclusions.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
Oh snap.
On topic: It's quite obvious to me that foreigners are not to blame, men trying to have sex with women AMAGAD NO WAY!
I know too little about Asian/Korean culture to make any possible claims regarding the actual cause, or if this is even a real issue at all, since men trying to sleep with women (foreign or not) happends everywhere. Perhaps the women are more naive in Asia? Perhaps foreigners are overhyped in Asia? I wouldn't know.
You can say that it's a combination of asian women being naive and overhyped foreigners. I remember I used to get quite excited whenever we have foreign tourist come to our English class when we were in elementary school. There are some legit asian-foreigner couples though, not all are bad. Only some foreigners took advantage of the situation.
This seems to me a very dramatic way of engaging these problems. The whole video seems to implicate that all foreigners are bad and should be avoided. I don't think this is a very good way to spread acceptance and respect for different cultures. Of course it also raises interesting questions, like why are korean girls so into foreigners that they throw caution to the wind, but it doesn't bring them up in a way that suggest they are interested in a calm and reasoned answer but the video seems more interested in spreading fear. Mabye in order to sensitize young korean girls to the issue, so they are more careful.
However much I think think that that is a good idea this video is a very bad way of going about it in my opinion, because of the reasons stated above. The whole issue could have been handled way better.
On a side note: I love the fact that there is so much exposure of media via the internet, that I, a dude living in germany, am able to criticize a report of a korean tv channel. =) Keep going strong, Internet!
P.S.: I am sorry for the women that got the real assholes.
P.P.S.: The difference in the psychology of sexual/relationship stages would be very interesting. What stage of relationship corresponds to what level of intimacy in foreign (yay.. nice generalization) and korean psychology? I think I read somewhere that there were some quite big differences in WW2, where for example kissing was not a big commitment for american soldiers, but english women perceived it as a sign of very big affection which usually came a few steps later in the development of the relationship (if the other person would have been a fellow englishman). (But I read this some time ago, so don't quote me on that.) This probably plays into this whole issue too.
Im sorry but i have to comment on the one foreigner who slept with a Korean women gave her HIV and then dipped, these men to me are the absolute scum of the earth and deserve any terrible thing that ever happens to them. Literally it makes me mad enough to fucking kick a door down that some guy would just fucking do that. (assuming its legitimate and not propaganda)
I'm unsurprised tbh. Korea is known (like most countries depending upon the subjects that the media know will gain them attention), for this kind of garbage sensationalist/generalization journalism. As a woman living there I was kind of lucky because I was never subject to the whole 'Foreign guy come to rape/stain our women.' kind of treatment. Whilst it's true that there are some men who come to SK with a bit of 'yellow fever' and do have the intention to date Korean women as a priority there are also plenty of Korean men whose treatment of Korean/foreign women is just the same (it's just a slightly different style when it comes to PDA.)
There's even a group called Anti-English Spectrum who are specifically targeted towards exposing foreigners who are engaging in anything they deem to be unacceptable (It's fine if those involved are breaking the law), but apparently this group has stalked and harassed completely innocent people in the past. I've also heard stories on Dave's ESL Cafe of (usually older and almost always drunk) Korean men abusing foreign man/Korean woman couples on the street for no apparent reason (beyond their own xenophobia.) Personally, the majority of young Korean guys I came into contact with where intensely immature, and the older generation were often drunk, angry and annoying. I did meet some lovely men over in SK, but seeing the weekday falling-down-drunk antics of people old enough to know better really didn't make me think 'Wow, they're so superior to Foreign men.'
It's comically biased to suggest that the Korean women who date foreign men are being taken advantage of - if they're going to popular foreigner hang outs/going into clubs where there will definitely be foreign men then it's a given that some of the guys in there might try to hit on them. It's not as if they're poor powerless virgins with no means to say no.
I enjoyed my time in SK, but seeing things like this make me glad I left.
(I did find it kind of funny that they altered the voices to make everyone sound like a chipmunk though.)
This is simply sensationalist journalism. This is no different to women from the US loving Australian accents or vice versa - they're just playing on it because the inter-racial gap between S.Korea and English speaking countries is much bigger. This happens everywhere.
Eh. There is always sensationalist reporting like this in Korea. There are idiots all over the world. I would advise everyone here to use some common sense - don't believe everything you see on TV.
Some real strange people in this thread. A guy shares his opinion (from his personal experience) and people immediately jump on him because they disagree or simply can't accept his views - asking for "scientific evidence in the form of research and/or academic papers". Give me a fucking break?
His opinion was a social issue in his own country (Vietnam). What are the chances that you can find five sociological academic and/or research papers detailing an issue such as the race or nationality that women prefer in that particular country? Who the fuck will dedicate time and effort writing about something like that, especially when it's already widely accepted?
Seriously, not everything can be studied. There are tons of women in the Philippines, Indonesia, and other third-world countries taking up odd jobs in international cities like Singapore, Seoul, Tokyo and Hong Kong in order to meet "foreigners" that can take them away from their impoverished lives. Does that fact require an in-depth scientific study?
It's a combination of sensationalism, general Korean xenophobia (and a lot of Asian nations in general do tend to have this kind of bias), and general conservatism, though there may be intersections of course. It's just that type of mentality oftentimes, and while apparently terrible to us, the flagrant thing to many watching the program will likely just be the behavior of the foreigners, which is a shame really since obviously there are "bad" people regardless of race and creed (same could be said for those producing the segment).
damn those high pitched voice effects make me laugh too much, couldn't finish the video. But from what i saw of it, its just cheap journalism. No one should take that seriously, and if they do, then they have a much bigger problem than that addressed in the video
Wow, now that was some racistic video I've just seen.
I really find funny how "korean women" are presented as some kind of innocent pray, that basically foreigners go around and stab with their dicks and woman cannot do anything. I'm not completly sure about Korean culture, but is there a word No in your dictionary? If so, then girls can always say it, and if they don't, then there must be a reason why.
Also foreigner HIV stuff is hillarious, HIV doesn't care what race or gender you are.
On June 01 2012 16:16 scph wrote: I don't understand why this is "trash" or bad? It's not offensive or negative at all. It's raising awareness about issues that do exist, and though it may sound offensive, it is just the way Asian culture is. I'm not Korean, but I am Asian, and as an Asian, I have seen this idea of "foreigners" shitting on Asians and their cultural values many times. I've also seen Asians shitting all over other people just because they're foreigners as well. The problem is, individuals group everyone into one category just because of their race or ethnicity and then people put a label on them, upsetting millions of people. If the video had presented its message in a more "appropriate" way, no one would be so uptight about it. But it isn't, so get over it. I love how in the U.S., one Asian guy does something horrible and he's immediately front page news, but twenty other white guys have done the same thing yet they get a 1 minute coverage on Breaking News, Live at 11. It's the fucking media folks, deal with it.
Anyways, generally speaking, the Asians have very conservative cultures. They will speak about foreigners in disrespectful ways and will look down on interracial relationships. But you know what? There is a good amount of truth in the things Asians have to say about "foreigners". But it's not just foreigners causing problems, everyone does it to everyone else at some point. It's only being emphasized in Korea because it's starting to become a large issue there.
What? I can only speak from my experience, but I have never heard of or seen anything like that in my life, nor have I ever heard anyone refer to or speak about this supposed phenomenon of Asian men's bad deeds being disproportionately reported, except for you.
As for your second paragraph, it seems like by conservative cultures, you mean racist and xenophobic cultures. So you agree with the OP. And the OP is pointing out that racism and xenophobia should be criticized where it is observed.
Haha, storm in a waterglass. Cheap women get pregnant and sexual diseases. Douche guys pump and dump. This normal and will allways be normal as it is HUMAN and will end only when our race ends. Thank you.
What a complete joke of a video. A young guy talking about his "friends" that get HIV and get scammed from these evil foreigners. Sounds like a racist moron reciting the urban myths that he and his friends cooked up to fuel their hatred. The video is full of bigotry.
The worst thing about the video that got me really fucking mad though was the incredibly blatant disrespect these korean men who were interviewed had for korean women. They spoke of the women as if they are stupid children that have no control over their lives or decisions and no choice but to get swept away by these criminal foreigners.
Am I really out of line in thinking that this is not a problem at all? Some women wanted to have casual sex without protection. Some got STDs. Some got dumped after a one night stand. What is the issue here? Has anyone in the history of mankind gone out barhopping in search for a slow moving romance?
Culture or no culture. A program like this can't be labeled as anything else than bigoted propaganda for people with a very old fashioned world veiws.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Seriously i don't know why this thread is still going. On topic i don't even get how anyone could blame the foreigners in this, i mean, if the parents educated their daughters better they certainly wouldn't give their bodies so easily, blaming it on foreigners is kind of silly as korean guys are most likely doing the same. Those girls are not helpless, they're not being raped, they know what they're doing. Seriously what did those girls expect ?
This is not a problem at all. A lot of countries have similar propaganda. Sensational and " shocking " but that's to be expected with corporate media. Saying " all is well in our little perfect world " doesn't exactly give you many viewers. Having said that there are better topics to get attention, like the absurd suicide rate ( of 31.2 per 100 000 ).
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On June 01 2012 17:33 Velr wrote: Finally someone sais it. It's really exhausting to dodge all these helpless Korean woman which gravitate towards my dick all the time...
On June 01 2012 16:03 1ntrigue wrote: The thing is that the documentary isn't completely untrue. Certain types of Korean women are easier to date as a Caucasian, and many Caucasians know and take advantage of this. If you like the nightlife in any major city, you may find that exchange students from Asia are relatively easy to approach as a Caucasian because of their inherent curiosity of what is unknown to them.
I really don't understand this whole topic, women can date whomever they want. If they want easy dates with foreigners, it's their personal choice. If there are major scam/HIV cases, then you have to spread awareness but not declare this in itself a problem
I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Having been to many asian countries and had relationships with different ladies from these countries, I can say that without doubt that this video is both naive and simply wrong. There are many awful places where sex tourism occurs but that is completely different from what is being projected here. Plus to put it bluntly many ladies see western and foreign men as a chance for a better life and the difference in cultures also means that some of these ladies assume (rightly or wrongly) that they will be treated better by these men.
On June 01 2012 16:03 Shkudde wrote: Holy crap this is on a whole new level of Dave Chapelle-style racism. (That was so racist I can't even get mad!) As if the Korean women can't make their own decisions on who to date and who not to date. Come on people, this is just silly...
Omg I know I can't tell if this is actually some elaborate joke video or a giant troll or what. I hope Korean news channels don't think everything happens exactly like they said it does in the video.
On June 01 2012 17:40 Amlitzer wrote: I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
And here we go again. I recommend doing a little more research than the blurb in your highschool US History textbook you read a few years ago before you say something like that.
.... Korea really has no shortage of homegrown douchebags, I dont think they need to worry about the foreign segment of the population out-competing them anytime soon lol, kinda sorta outnumbered.
And obviously being different from the norm is an advantage wherever you go, and a bigger advantage (in terms of standing out) in a homogenized society, rather than somewhere more mixed like the US for instance.
The only part I really mind about the documentary tho, is the labeling.
The worst thing about the video that got me really fucking mad though was the incredibly blatant disrespect these korean men who were interviewed had for korean women. They spoke of the women as if they are stupid children that have no control over their lives or decisions and no choice but to get swept away by these criminal foreigners.
Yeah, as I said, they have plenty of their own douchebags lol
You can hear and literally see a lot of this stuff in other Asian countries as well, I didn't think it'd be a surprise nowadays...
Key ideas usually reoccurring: Middle-aged white guy works/lives in an Asian country due to job/it's usually cheaper, naive Asian woman who thinks getting hitched to a white guy solves her financial problems, etc etc
Then that awkward feeling when you see them in a KFC and you see that guy eating with his kids and Asian in-laws with that "oh god what-have-I-done" expression...
I'm not sure where all the negativity comes from other than the obvious negative portrayal/stereotyping of foreigners, but this stuff really happens.
On June 01 2012 17:40 Amlitzer wrote: I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Even foreigners in korea dislike americans. It's a sure way to ruin your night if you go where the american soldiers are. And yeah what a stupid post.
On June 01 2012 17:40 Amlitzer wrote: I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Amazing. The reason some Koreans dislike Americans is you.
On June 01 2012 17:42 CursedRich wrote: Having been to many asian countries and had relationships with different ladies from these countries, I can say that without doubt that this video is both naive and simply wrong. There are many awful places where sex tourism occurs but that is completely different from what is being projected here. Plus to put it bluntly many ladies see western and foreign men as a chance for a better life and the difference in cultures also means that some of these ladies assume (rightly or wrongly) that they will be treated better by these men.
I think for Korea, at least, it's fairly unlikely anyone would look at a white-guy and go 'oh, my ticket out of this place' ---- Korea is very much a first world country with plenty of rich korean guys to go around, for those so inclined.
I don't doubt the fact that there are douchers in every country (in this case, Korea) who use whatever tools they have at their disposal (in this case, I guess you could refer to it as "curiosity about an unknown foreigner") to take advantage of gullible people (in this case, women). However, a supposedly legitimate news company decided to ignore the existence of every "foreigner" but the small subset I just described and refer to them as "foreigners." I was unaware of this before now, but apparently all non-Koreans act like this waste.
Hi TL! Welcome to Korea. I.E. Most Koreans are douchebags. -.- don't be so surprised by videos like this. It's kind of normal and it requires people with intelligence to weed out good and bad information. The most you could take out from the video is that yes there may certainly be bad foreigners, but as most people pointed out, Korean girls are also part of the problem. Also, yes Korean guys are kinda douchebaggy. Korea likes to stress hierarchy: act tough with some balls mang and you'll be on top. The country, with its small land and high competition rate, makes it a breeding ground for people to try and out-compete everyone, and thus, grow arrogance. It also doesn't help that the older generation is very pushy and are not very open about liberal ideals.
So be glad that the players you currently see on your streams: like MKP, like Flash, etc, have always had ideas like PR and manners forced into their head. These players usually STAY inside and play games so tend to not act similar to that of the general Koreans. Of course, we've seen the opposite spectrum of that as well (i.e. Savior and Hwasin), but there IS a very horrible side of Korea that most foreigners don't observe because they just watch OGN and the streams.
oh lord, the white man comes and takes our women and gives them STDs. Seems just as legit as anything that would come out of the mouths of any of the neo-fascist parties in Europe or southern USA.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
On June 01 2012 18:01 UTL_Unlimited wrote: Hi TL! Welcome to Korea. I.E. Most Koreans are douchebags. -.- don't be so surprised by videos like this. It's kind of normal and it requires people with intelligence to weed out good and bad information. The most you could take out from the video is that yes there may certainly be bad foreigners, but as most people pointed out, Korean girls are also part of the problem. Also, yes Korean guys are kinda douchebaggy. Korea likes to stress hierarchy: act tough with some balls mang and you'll be on top. The country, with its small land and high competition rate, makes it a breeding ground for people to try and out-compete everyone, and thus, grow arrogance. It also doesn't help that the older generation is very pushy and are not very open about liberal ideals.
So be glad that the players you currently see on your streams: like MKP, like Flash, etc, have always had ideas like PR and manners forced into their head. These players usually STAY inside and play games so tend to not act similar to that of the general Koreans. Of course, we've seen the opposite spectrum of that as well (i.e. Savior and Hwasin), but there IS a very horrible side of Korea that most foreigners don't observe because they just watch OGN and the streams.
Ha this post made my day. Savior the ultimate douchebag.
Anyways this video is bad but it seems very sensationalized and targeted towards a very backwards audience. Kind of like the trash channels you see in North America, TmZ/Maury kinda low budget sensationalized trash.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
This video is a bit of a propaganda, it's like, those foreigners that are coming here and take advantage of our women blablabla. It's not like you don't have Korean women playing with foreign men and taking advantage of their money :/
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
So the Issue here is that foreign man use to have HIV in asian countries and there are no such things as condoms in these parts of the world? Shame on you "foreign" man. Why U all are HIV positive?
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
-_- How about I actually know a person who is a victim?
I know a girl who was raped by a black man, ALL BLACKS ARE RAPISTS... That's your mentality, You're being selective, with a single event and generalizing an entire culture... That is being a bigot. So like other's said, how about you give some evidence and not personal data because a man's face was just eaten by another man, that doesn't mean everyone in Miami are zombies.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
its called social commentary. There wont be a scientific research on every fucking topic, especially if its rather subjective. If you get out every once in a while, you might make certain observations that wont have "5 academic research" to back it up. Think about the claim that alot of people buy apple products to be hip. There wont be research for this kind of thing, but that doesnt mean it wont resonate with some people. God pseudointellectual nonsense gets on my nerves.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about?
There are gold diggers in every country, not just korea. I don't really see it as a problem because thats what those women are choosing to do. It may often be a dumb choice, but it is their choice. Theyll either wise up, get lucky and find the right guy or not.
And before we go feeling too sorry for them I would spare a moments thought for those individuals who do wind up hitched to a partner whose chief interest in them is material.
Edit: also, lol at that guy who demanded 5 scholarly sources. Like anyone is going to be able to get a significant sample of materialist women to participate in a study that demeans them, or take a bunch of mens' word on the subject. love to the see the objective standards you all would devise for a study on gold diggery.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
its called social commentary. There wont be a scientific research on every fucking topic, especially if its rather subjective. If you get out every once in a while, you might make certain observations that wont have "5 academic research" to back it up. Think about the claim that alot of people buy apple products to be hip. There wont be research for this kind of thing, but that doesnt mean it wont resonate with some people. God pseudointellectual nonsense gets on my nerves.
"As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it."
Is a claim about the behaviour of a population of people. I merely asked for a piece of evidence in support of it. None was provided.
Sorry but surveying 1 to 2 people does not count. News reports don't count.
Link to study regarding race IQ differences in the USA On topic. To all who defend this movie imagine the reaction if this was about black men stealing white women. You guys are like /pol/- they steal our wimmenz!111!111!!!!1
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
You're trying way to hard man. Just chill out. I mean, just read your own comment.
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
Even professors of statistics don't argue like that. We get it, one personal incident does not back up a blanket statement. No one said it does and no one here thinks that.
Tension with American occupation in Asian countries however is a very commonly discussed topic. I can only speak for Korea but the problems in Itaewon and recently Hongdae concerning anti-foreign sentiment are well known. It IS common knowledge for people who actually live there. Itaewon is infamous in Korea for being a foreigner hotspot and has strong connotations of being populated with shady white people. It's like you're asking for 5 academic papers or a 10k sample size on the fact that Detroit is dangerous as fuck.
If everyone says something and you're ignorant, go research it on your own and tell us what you find out. If you know we're right and just being a prick, well, I can't help you. Maybe consider signing up for an ethnic studies class next semester along with Stat 2.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
I was just saying you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time you make a claim. You want me to go through your post history to see if you attach 5 academic papers every time you claim something ? And don't use that condescending tone on me please.
You think something is true because you experience it in 2-5 sample size. This is bad thinking. So here N is 3, N-1 is 2, your standard error is massive and you can't make inference from any z/t that you estimate. Is that better?
I checked your history post and you seems to be obsessed with "scientific" arguments, yet non of your post really contain any "academic papers". "E.g. Black people have less IQ on average" <-- LOL WHAT? Seriously though, get those textbook out of your head and start using common knowledge.
Except that he's completely right, both in his point in this thread, and that blacks have a lower IQ percentile on average (although the cause is disputed). Go ahead and look it up. I'm sure he would have provided studies to back up his claim had you asked for it. But go ahead and laugh at him. Just because something sounds plausible (like the shit in this thread) doesn't make it true, likewise, just because something sounds unlikely or racist (blacks having a lower IQ percentile on average) doesn't make it wrong. And THAT is why he is asking for research data.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
You're trying way to hard man. Just chill out. I mean, just read your own comment.
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
Can't forget a control sample either...
Even professors of statistics don't argue like that. We get it, one personal incident does not back up a blanket statement. No one said it does and no one here thinks that.
Tension with American occupation in Asian countries however is a very commonly discussed topic. I can only speak for Korea but the problems in Itaewon and recently Hongdae concerning anti-foreign sentiment are well known. It IS common knowledge for people who actually live there. Itaewon is infamous in Korea for being a foreigner hotspot and has strong connotations of being populated with shady white people. It's like you're asking for 5 academic papers or a 10k sample size on the fact that Detroit is dangerous as fuck.
If everyone says something and you're ignorant, go research it on your own and tell us what you find out. If you know we're right and just being a prick, well, I can't help you. Maybe consider signing up for an ethnic studies class next semester along with Stat 2.
I can look at published statistics which verify that that is factual (murder rate in Detroit, jail rate, whatever). I don't need an academic publication, just something other than "common knowledge", news reports, or "my friend experienced X". These can too easily be wrong. I've learnt that most people are complete morons: what is it like 90% of people in the U.S. believe in the Bible? I don't believe in "common knowledge" or 1 sample sizes for a reason... people are fucking stupid.
Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
This no different from what happened when foreign men starting to come to my country on a larger scale several decades ago. This is what happens when you start internationalizing your country Korea, sad but true. And also dont forget that stupid girls gonna be stupid girls.
The problem isn't whether or not it's a real problem, the problem is how it's portrayed. The point is that when women are being loose and having unprotected sex with males they don't know, problems arise. The problem is that this program, and the debate, is focusing on the bad guys being foreigners, when it could just as well be koreans. The focus should be on having safe relationships, not on foreigners being dangerous.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnnnddddddd Godwin'd. Thread over, everybody go home. Nothing to see here.
Regardless, people are generally interested in dating foreigners EVERYWHERE. British guys find italian, romanian, french, even german girls "interesting" and ever so slightly "exotic" compared to born-n-bred english girls. I've heard more than a few times that japanese girls love foreign traits like blonde hair and above average height, and americans have a real thing for latinas from what I've seen.
While I've no doubt the video is really extreme (haven't taken the time to watch it yet), I don't think it merits some huge discussion on whether people rush into relationships with foreigners. From what I can tell people all over the world rush into relationships with foreigners. If I had to make a guess, I'd say maybe its down to two things - Seeming a little bit exotic, new, exciting, and secondly, because people are more socially forgiving when someone comes from another culture. They'll give and recieve more chances to do the wrong thing and that fosters greater communication later on as the dynamic is more open.
This is like nazi propaganda from WW2 I have lived in Korea 4 years and everything in this documentary has absolutely nothing to do with foreigners in korea or any other racist bullcrap. Its so stupendously misinformed my head hurts. This is the kind of stupidity one might expect out of 4 corners or maybe CNN (not sure about american tv)
Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
To give all foriegners who live there a single stereotype is almost normal. People on smaller levels put people into groups all the time. Yes it is indeed a bit outlandish for MBC to have something like this on there but at the same time it is only filler the piques the human mind into social melodrama that the people can come together about. In the end i would have to say that this is like fox news. Itll blow over after a couple of months if they dont update on it.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
Again, common knowledge does not mean it's necessarily correct. Yes, you're right. I think you missed my point. There's a lot more to social interaction than being "right". If a lot of people are being agreeing on something that you think is false, maybe you can help us out and go find evidence of the contrary. Don't care about it enough to do that? Then don't post in this thread.
You think you're so much better than everyone else? A lot of people are probably less educated and more ignorant than you. You said you were top 3% in your university? Well that's 97% of people you out performed at your school. Is that what you want? For us to suddenly acknowledge how smart you are? Do you really have to join this thread purely to point out other people's logical fallacies or lack of data? Do you even remotely care at all about the issues at hand? I slightly modified this chart a fellow TL'er made about you a while back Do you want to be known as "that one asshole who comes into random threads and asks for large quantities of academic research on every claim made in the thread?" Because that's where you're headed. Nothing you said was wrong, it's only how you said it that makes it so stupid. If you want to come off as intelligent, you're doing an awful job.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about?
You are not pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence. You are saying "cbf citing something myself, so you should go search for it because it's commonly known (by me) that it's true." You are making a factual assertion without any reference. When called on it, you are saying "cbf, look it up using this search engine". That is not providing evidence to support your claim - if you believe it is, I invite you to utilize this same statement in an academic setting.
Google Scholar does not provide scientific, published evidence. It provides an index of articles which may be published, may be scientific, but may not in any way be evidence or even factual. There is no guarantee that the results provided will be from ONLY peer reviewed, accepted journals. There is no guarantee that the results will not include incorrect information from outdated, disproven, or questionable sources. Pointing someone to a specific series of results or commonly accepted (academicly) book that is hailed as a standard for the subject at hand might be acceptable. Saying "Google scholar it" is one half step up from "wiki it". It is in fact, a way of saying "my common knowledge is better than your common knowledge - I cannot prove this but I can tell you how to search for what makes it so".
Anyways, that's it. Moving on.
The video itself is propaganda - it's not even new. A bit more open and direct in its xenophobia, but all around gross generalization based on perceptions.
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about?
You are not pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence. You are saying "cbf citing something myself, so you should go search for it because it's commonly known (by me) that it's true." You are making a factual assertion without any reference. When called on it, you are saying "cbf, look it up using this search engine". That is not providing evidence to support your claim - if you believe it is, I invite you to utilize this same statement in an academic setting.
Google Scholar does not provide scientific, published evidence. It provides an index of articles which may be published, may be scientific, but may not in any way be evidence or even factual. There is no guarantee that the results provided will be from ONLY peer reviewed, accepted journals. There is no guarantee that the results will not include incorrect information from outdated, disproven, or questionable sources. Pointing someone to a specific series of results or commonly accepted (academicly) book that is hailed as a standard for the subject at hand might be acceptable. Saying "Google scholar it" is one half step up from "wiki it". It is in fact, a way of saying "my common knowledge is better than your common knowledge - I cannot prove this but I can tell you how to search for what makes it so".
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
QFT
Although since there is a lack of objective data on the topic I would advise people not to jump on the bandwagon just yet. We do have people who may or may not be incorrect in their observation of the world around them (subject to cultural bias etc.) and the "wisest" thing to do in my opinion is to simply accept that there may be a problem but we're not sure.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
Again, common knowledge does not mean it's necessarily correct. Yes, you're right. I think you missed my point. There's a lot more to social interaction than being "right". If a lot of people are being agreeing on something that you think is false, maybe you can help us out and go find evidence of the contrary. Don't care about it enough to do that? Then don't post in this thread. .
Responding to a few questions in this post: 1) I think I'm much smarter than most people when it comes to mathematics, logic, memory and logic puzzles. Tests have demonstrated this repeatedly so I'm confident about this. I don't know about other things (emotional intelligence, broad knowledge about stuff that isn't maths/science etc). 2) I don't care if you acknowledge how smart I am. 3) I can't disprove that White people in foreign countries aren't statistically more likely to prey on Asian girls and victimise them. Well maybe there is some study out there somewhere that does so but I'm not aware of it.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
Again, common knowledge does not mean it's necessarily correct. Yes, you're right. I think you missed my point. There's a lot more to social interaction than being "right". If a lot of people are being agreeing on something that you think is false, maybe you can help us out and go find evidence of the contrary. Don't care about it enough to do that? Then don't post in this thread. .
Responding to a few questions in this post: 1) I think I'm much smarter than most people when it comes to mathematics, logic, memory and logic puzzles. Tests have demonstrated this repeatedly so I'm confident about this. I don't know about other things (emotional intelligence, broad knowledge about stuff that isn't maths/science etc). 2) I don't care if you acknowledge how smart I am. 3) I can't disprove that White people in foreign countries aren't statistically more likely to prey on Asian girls and victimise them. Well maybe there is some study out there somewhere that does so but I'm not aware of it.
lol give it a rest
Regarding the vid, it's nothing unexpected. I wasnt surprised at all by the generalising commentator or the foreign and korean girls having one-night-stands. I mean, where I live there are about 100 language schools. So the place has quite a few Asian/ Korean students. And it seems the case that Asian/ Korean women usually pair off with somebody non-Asian. That's what I see in the streets anyway.
The comments of "seeing people being intimate made people uncomfortable", made me laugh though. I guess the MBC guys have never been in Europe x]
I read this thread before watching the video and I have to say that people are blowing this pretty far out of context. The video makes many appeals to traditional values. Do you think these girls would be dating foreigners if they had any love for traditional values?
I have have personal experience about the women who try to get a "safe-card" by dating foreign men. Me and a friend travelled asia for 6 months from Japan thru S Korea, China, thailand, vietnam, cambodja and laos. 3 of the women I dated became extremely desperate about me leaving the country when it was time to move on. They did all kind of crazy stuff to make me stay, just saying.
I think that there are alot of women that try to get away from their life by getting together with forein men, and I completely understand them. Take Cambodja for example, 10 year olds are selling coke on the streets next to hostels ffs.
On June 01 2012 19:58 Singularity wrote: I have have personal experience about the women who try to get a "safe-card" by dating foreign men. Me and a friend travelled asia for 6 months from Japan thru S Korea, China, thailand, vietnam, cambodja and laos. 3 of the women I dated became extremely desperate about me leaving the country when it was time to move on. They did all kind of crazy stuff to make me stay, just saying.
I think that there are alot of women that try to get away from their life by getting together with forein men, and I completely understand them. Take Cambodja for example, 10 year olds are selling coke on the streets next to hostels ffs.
Damn man, Cambodia? Is that place safe?
And yeah I think you're right about the "safe-card".
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
I didn't say what you thought, i said what you linked. A study centered on a flawed statistic, the relevance of which has never been proven, and provides no meaningful analysis; indeed, no meaning whatsoever. And this is the type of study youd like to see?! Data that doesnt represent what it claims to with no insight or interpretation attached?
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
I didn't say what you thought, i said what you linked. A study centered on a flawed statistic, the relevance of which has never been proven, and provides no meaningful analysis; indeed, no meaning whatsoever. And this is the type of study youd like to see?! Data that doesnt represent what it claims to with no insight or interpretation attached?
Oh sorry about misunderstanding you. I just assumed that humans can't read about 20,000 words in 10 minutes.
On June 01 2012 19:58 Singularity wrote: I have have personal experience about the women who try to get a "safe-card" by dating foreign men. Me and a friend travelled asia for 6 months from Japan thru S Korea, China, thailand, vietnam, cambodja and laos. 3 of the women I dated became extremely desperate about me leaving the country when it was time to move on. They did all kind of crazy stuff to make me stay, just saying.
I think that there are alot of women that try to get away from their life by getting together with forein men, and I completely understand them. Take Cambodja for example, 10 year olds are selling coke on the streets next to hostels ffs.
Damn man, Cambodia? Is that place safe?
And yeah I think you're right about the "safe-card".
It's as safe as any. As long as you're not actively trying to get yourself killed. They are just very chill when it comes to drug enforcement.
On June 01 2012 15:55 sva wrote: Being a American male, who is dating a Korean woman I find this silly. I think there are silly things like this all over the world though. It's just another one of those things where instead of being responsible for your actions you claim to be a victim. It's pretty stupid but I don't really have much of a problem with it, we have stupid things like this in America too. Not quite that bad, but similar.
You USA:ans has way more bad and stupid crap then the Koreans.
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
flawed statistic... provides no meaningful analysis
Korean women are acting like total sluts, having unprotected sex with every fucking foreigner, get pregnant and then expect from the male foreigners to take responsibility, like raising the child? I'm not a fan of abortion and etc but the korean women should've known what they're getting into.\ So overall: cool story, South Korea, please continue to ignorantly defend your citizens.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about?
You are not pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence. You are saying "cbf citing something myself, so you should go search for it because it's commonly known (by me) that it's true." You are making a factual assertion without any reference. When called on it, you are saying "cbf, look it up using this search engine". That is not providing evidence to support your claim - if you believe it is, I invite you to utilize this same statement in an academic setting.
Google Scholar does not provide scientific, published evidence. It provides an index of articles which may be published, may be scientific, but may not in any way be evidence or even factual. There is no guarantee that the results provided will be from ONLY peer reviewed, accepted journals. There is no guarantee that the results will not include incorrect information from outdated, disproven, or questionable sources. Pointing someone to a specific series of results or commonly accepted (academicly) book that is hailed as a standard for the subject at hand might be acceptable. Saying "Google scholar it" is one half step up from "wiki it". It is in fact, a way of saying "my common knowledge is better than your common knowledge - I cannot prove this but I can tell you how to search for what makes it so".
Ah yes. You are citing the work of a professor most well known for the criticisms of his work. This is not scientific proof. This is a survey of previous research, inheriting all of the flaws present in those other works and only choosing those studies which allow Rushton to agree with his long held belief in the inherent superiority of one group of people chosen on the basis of skin pigmentation. (I will leave off mentioning that this is a psychologist attempting to prove genetics without any of the requisite skills, ability, or any reference to actual biological science.)
In short - no, that work is contradicted by many others and the debate is still ongoing. (Ref - http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Suzuki-Aronson.pdf ) Psychological research is questionable in this regard (conflicting results and debate about what results mean) and any attempt to generalize a result to a wider population than your sample will be difficult.
On June 01 2012 20:13 synd wrote: Korean women are acting like total sluts, having unprotected sex with every fucking foreigner, get pregnant and then expect from the male foreigners to take responsibility, like raising the child? I'm not a fan of abortion and etc but the korean women should've known what they're getting into.\ So overall: cool story, South Korea, please continue to ignorantly defend your citizens.
True, it takes 2 to tango right?
Maybe the Koreans need to think about why their women are doing this.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Anyone who has traveled enough knows that men go to certain foreign countries to meet women and Korea is a hot spot at least for American men. But I disagree with how the video portrays all the Korean women as the victims. No ones forcing anyone into anything, if the woman rushes the relationship and it doesn't work out well then its partially their fault as well. Im not sure exactly what you mean about scam though.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
Ahh, yes, the common knowledge defence... just like the one you used to support your statement on the IQ of those who have a high pigment content in their skin. Telling someone that something is "commonly known, just google it" is...
EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE MOCKING HIM FOR USING.
Troll.
Apologies to the rest of the universe, but I cannot possibly read this without responding or having an aneurysm. Or both.
How is pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence, an appeal to common knowledge? What are you talking about?
You are not pointing him in the direction of scientific, published evidence. You are saying "cbf citing something myself, so you should go search for it because it's commonly known (by me) that it's true." You are making a factual assertion without any reference. When called on it, you are saying "cbf, look it up using this search engine". That is not providing evidence to support your claim - if you believe it is, I invite you to utilize this same statement in an academic setting.
Google Scholar does not provide scientific, published evidence. It provides an index of articles which may be published, may be scientific, but may not in any way be evidence or even factual. There is no guarantee that the results provided will be from ONLY peer reviewed, accepted journals. There is no guarantee that the results will not include incorrect information from outdated, disproven, or questionable sources. Pointing someone to a specific series of results or commonly accepted (academicly) book that is hailed as a standard for the subject at hand might be acceptable. Saying "Google scholar it" is one half step up from "wiki it". It is in fact, a way of saying "my common knowledge is better than your common knowledge - I cannot prove this but I can tell you how to search for what makes it so".
Ah yes. You are citing the work of a professor most well known for the criticisms of his work. This is not scientific proof. This is a survey of previous research, inheriting all of the flaws present in those other works and only choosing those studies which allow Rushton to agree with his long held belief in the inherent superiority of one group of people chosen on the basis of skin pigmentation. (I will leave off mentioning that this is a psychologist attempting to prove genetics without any of the requisite skills, ability, or any reference to actual biological science.)
In short - no, that work is contradicted by many others and the debate is still ongoing. (Ref - http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/Suzuki-Aronson.pdf ) Psychological research is questionable in this regard (conflicting results and debate about what results mean) and any attempt to generalize a result to a wider population than your sample will be difficult.
I was citing it in support of my only claim; Mean black IQ < White IQ. I don't care about his hypotheses regarding the genetic causes of this observation. Thanks for adding to that discussion though, that'll be an interesting paper to have a skim of.
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
flawed statistic... provides no meaningful analysis
Yes, I've read the original paper, I can't find the link on the journal search site of my Uni at the moment though.
You digress, discussing the validity of aforementioned research regarding race and IQ does not belong in this thread. Explaining why scientific evidence should be provided is relevant and I think we concluded that discussion already. If you disagree see my previous post and let me know why.
There are Swedish people who feel resentment against foreigners "stealing" Swedish women as well. It's not impossible that reporting like this would make it into national television in Sweden if our population was more homogeneous.
It's unfortunate that opinions such as these are indoctrinated into such a large audience (I wouldn't be suprised if it caused violence) but it doesn't mean Koreans are very different from citizens of other industrialized countries.
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
flawed statistic... provides no meaningful analysis
Yes, I've read the original paper, I can't find the link on the journal search site of my Uni at the moment though.
You digress, discussing the validity of aforementioned research regarding race and IQ does not belong in this thread. Explaining why scientific evidence should be provided is relevant and I think we concluded that discussion already. If you disagree see my previous post and let me know why.
Well, just proves what I have been thinking all along: television is garbage. Don't know why there is such a hot debate going around here, no nation can claim to have no bad tv shows spouting nonsense.
As long as you don't find signs like this accepted by the broad populace for example, I wouldn't blame a whole Country for what a single tv show says as some of the posters here seem to try: + Show Spoiler +
Watched 30 seconds and couldn't take it. It's a pity that bullshit like this is presented as fact =/
To be fair though, it's not just "white foreigners" who are singled out in these kind of PR attacks. I know that Chinese people get owned by the Korean media pretty hard, and there's not much love for SE Asians either.
On June 01 2012 20:40 sc2guy wrote: Maybe it is true? You don't live in korea, how do you know the state of things?
Occam's razor.
Don't ascribe something to the completely implausible (many foreigners in South Korea are disease-ridden frauds and rapists) to something entirely plausible (sensationalist media panders to public xenophobia to make a quick buck).
On June 01 2012 19:39 Zahir wrote: Hilarious. A bunch of people defending the scientific method and holding up as their example a study on intelligent quotient, one of the least objective measurements ever, an inherently flawed attempt to quantify the mind and reduce human potential to a number. Might as well link those old 19th scholarly works about the cranial sizes of the various races.
The fact that you link a bunch of numbers with no coherent interpretation or analysis that takes into account the social and historical factors contributing to results shows just how blinded this obsession with data has made you to the actual truth. In the absence of studies, a condition necessarily imposed the complexity and difficulty in studying this particular issue, a truly wise man would settle for what data he could get, in this case, anecdotes. I make no defense of the video, but let's not dismiss every person who comes in here with first or secondhand knowledge, when scholarship is unlikely to provide anything better.
Demanding academic studies when you KNOW that any that exist, if they even do exist, are likely to be heavily flawed is the opposite of smart. It's rigid thinking at best, disingenuous at worst.
What the heck are you talking about? The claim was that white people have a higher IQ than black people. We never stated that we think the things you think that we're thinking. You crayzay.
I didn't say what you thought, i said what you linked. A study centered on a flawed statistic, the relevance of which has never been proven, and provides no meaningful analysis; indeed, no meaning whatsoever. And this is the type of study youd like to see?! Data that doesnt represent what it claims to with no insight or interpretation attached?
Oh sorry about misunderstanding you. I just assumed that humans can't read about 20,000 words in 10 minutes.
To give you the benefit of the doubt, I went back and gave the study a more thorough reading. My point stands. The work develops no models or analysis of its own, it simply provides the data (iq scores), runs through some of the models used to explain the data and then claims that some of them are wrong. No actual explanation of why the iq scores are different. Just tells you "it might be 50/50 genetic, it might be 100% culture, here is why we think 100% of the cultural explanations are wrong." no one was actually dumb enough to come right out and say they think black people are just naturally dumber, so the study had essentially no conclusions, other than to criticize certain models.
This is the type of study you want to see about social issues? "we don't know anything but here's why those guys are wrong". How can anyone possibly support a hypothesis when all the studies are treading around the issue and doing none of the actual work of supporting an interpretation of the data, but rather taking the easy road of criticizing someone else's. Again, some social issues are unlikely to ever be the subject of real studies, by which I mean ones that actually attempt to explain the data rather than tiptoeing around and attempting to disprove explanations the authors do not agree with.
When the data is inherently flawed, as in the case of any complex social issue, it becomes impossible to draw conclusions from, which is why all the studies on it will be attempts to disprove explanations. Better To recognize the limitations of data and typical academic methods in the first place. I would again point to anecdote and public opinion as an important starting point.
On June 01 2012 21:06 Tayar wrote: this is one of the funniest things i've ever seen. Korean women like white guys, sleep with them, therefore white guys are bad. Fantastic logic there.
White + male = the villain, the racist, the sexist, the predator, the exploiter, the slavemaster
That's like someone calling up Incredible Miracle after qxc all-killed them...
But in all seriousness, this video is just embarrassing bigotry that will slowly wash away over a generation or two. Xenophobia like this is universal and not completely unexpected, although I gotta say that I've probably seen as many spoofs of such prejudice as I've seen serious videos. It's hard to tell the difference, and the best we can do is just ignore it, or if it's brought to our attention, laugh at how ridiculous it is and ridicule its absurdity.
On June 01 2012 20:40 sc2guy wrote: Maybe it is true? You don't live in korea, how do you know the state of things?
What state of things? That women are making their own decisions about who to fuck?
Holy shit I'm dying...
Shouldn't it be logically that foreigners gets all the women though? I mean being pale/whiteish in the skin is in fashion over there and the fact that we are taller than the Korean general male population doesn't that make us more attractive to the opposite sex in Korea? It feels like this is a korean male population saying "We cannot compete and the foreigners are stealing our women, lets talk shit about them!!"
Video is fine but people tend to overreact. It never stated anything about "100% foreigners are evil". For every + there is a - so this video is about minus and I'm sure that channel showed a plus video. I don't think they try to defend their culture cuz if white homeboy dates asian his kids are 100% asian looking Chill out it's just a rating boost cuz audience likes to be entertained by negativity and misery of others.
I would like to share my experience, however, please don't take this the wrong way. I've been to Seoul last summer with a friend and we've met a lot of friendly Koreans there. However my friend and I noticed that the (vast) majority of the people we met, were racists.. Specifically against black people. They made a lot of racist comments, and we just weren't sure how to react. At first we thought they were joking but over the next 30 days we learned they weren't. This attitude became worse if outsiders hit on Korean women. The women were told by the men not to speak with them or us, and they would talk with us instead. I would like to emphasize again, this is my (single) experience with roughly 80 new people i met there. That aside, Korea was great and i would recommend going there, they know how to party!
this is a very small thing.....but give it time in people's minds....who knows what might happen. Separation between people because of race or sex or whatever is hurtful to everyone in the end.
Sadly it's not too shocking. What people over here in the West sometimes don't seem to realize is the two-faced nature of a lot (if not all) Asian cultures. Lots of emphasis on showing a good face to the rest of the world and neighbors and such, but a lot of times there will be shit talking behind their backs. Additionally, Asian cultures are generally EXTREMELY racist. Not just to different colors, but to each other as well (though that's not really a surprise as historically, border countries are really racist to each other in all regions). But there's always this strange sense of a pretentious nationalism. Of course I can't speak for all Asians (just as you cannot speak for all of any group) but if you look into their cultures, this is an overlying theme.
That and, at least the old school Koreans in my family and their old school friends, believe everything off of Korean news as fact. My mom is a wonderful person but every week she tells me these absurd health tips from Korean doctors that always seem to contradict each other. Like how sodium is really bad for you (which is accepted as fact globally) but Korean food is the healthiest food in the world (but it has some dangerously high sodium content in almost all of its dishes). Kind of a tangent but the point being that, while over here it would be dismissed as a stupid news report, over in Korea it's potentially very seriously taken.
So according to this video, either Korean women are too stupid to make their own decisions or us white guys are just so fucking sexy that it's impossible for them to say no.
Either way, I laughed. Xenophobia like that is common in much of Asia so it's not like it's surprising.
On June 01 2012 22:48 forsooth wrote: So according to this video, either Korean women are too stupid to make their own decisions or us white guys are just so fucking sexy that it's impossible for them to say no.
Either way, I laughed. Xenophobia like that is common in much of Asia so it's not like it's surprising.
asian girls are in general really attracted to white guys my ex once told me if she would leave me for anyone, it most certainly will be a white-guy lol
"It is now time we formed proper and wholesome relationships with the opposite sex."
Oh em gee, worst trash evA! -_-
Um, well reading the subtitles i don't know where the OP's disgust comes from? Unless he's upset because South Korea is becoming aware of a trend and he's worried they'll change and he won't get to hook up with as many women?
Problem: Korean women are easy/puddy for foreigners (caucasions, it seems). This results in an increased frequency of Sexually transmitted diseases, or whatever they're calling them these days, as well as pregnancy where the father attempts to avoid responsibility.
My Interpretation: It's kinda like the stereotypical gay community, mixed with teen pregnancy. Probably facilitated not only by the Korean women being easy, but also the language barrier, as well as that the foreigner male who has a lot of one night stands is probably more likely to be a carrier of an STD. Seems like this problem would be a non-issue if 1) The foreigners weren't douche bags and would say, "hey, i maaaay have HIV, still want to have sex?" Or 2) if the Korean women stopped to think about that.
Basically if people have proper sex etiquette, which is a term I just made up, i think.
The problem stated by the video is just as such. UNLESS THE SUBTITLES ARE TRICKING ME???
Defense of the over zealous sexual woman is rampant in NA (just because I dress like a slut doesn't mean I am one etc) and yet because there's a specific target in this video [white people as opposed to the generic horny guy] everyone is up in arms. It would seem to me that the Korean women this video discusses are suffering as a result of exceptionally poor understanding of sexual intimacy (read: condoms or what a one night stand is). Ultimately, this video is sensationalized nationalist propaganda. They've picked a topic that will hit close to home (watch out for your daughters! the foreign devils will steal their innocence, the white man brings HIV with him blah blah) and are using it to try to denounce cross-race dating (and in my estimation, it's more of an intent to prevent cross-race breeding and marriage). As Jinro said, someone who sticks out from the homogenized population will of course be of interest, by the very nature of their differentiation. Anecdotal "evidence" from friends has told me that many white guys in South Korea actually need to beat Korean women off with a stick.
The funniest thing to me however, is that where I'm from there's a pretty large Korean population, and for the most part it is well known that they don't find white men attractive. Koreans here tend to centralize to one area of the city and generally only date other Koreans.
You mean there are people going to other countries for casual sex with the natives? This is an outrage, why did no one tell us? Someone needs to let Thailand know and fast!
Um... I just should say.. This video is a lot less xenophobic than some people are taking it to be.
Keep in mind that sex is generally less casual in East Asian (specifically Korean, in this case) cultures, relatively speaking.
I don't know how the subtitles are making this sound, but the subtext of this video is "we should try and not do this" as opposed to "omfg foreigners get them out of here".
It IS open for interpretation, though, as can clearly be seen from some of these responses. If someone's already xenophobic, they're going to see this to confirm their pre-existing bias. I don't really see this as making anyone (or trying to make anyone) xenophobic, though.
I'm honestly not surprised by this video. I've experienced hostility at one point going there; the funny thing is, I'm a full-blooded Korean and not a foreigner. The moment my friends and I started using fluent English there, the girls were intrigued and paid us more attention, and we've received death threats from the guys to leave their girls alone (not all of the girls had boyfriends) and to stop using our "abc's", as they called it, if we were Korean. My sister, was almost jumped by a group of idiots over there because her Korean wasn't fluent enough, forcing her to use English to communicate; she was 10, for fuck's sake. How hostile and stupid do you have to be to even think about attacking a defenseless little girl like that.
The sad thing is, it's pretty widespread across Asia. And many foreigners tend to forget that the U.S. was involved with many restrictive policies/proganda against immigrants in the past. Yellow Peril, Anti-immigration acts and such, but I believe that's mostly disappeared?
On June 01 2012 23:10 DwD wrote: Oh look. There are racists even in korea. I know Japan has a real problem with hate towards foreigners sad to see it's widespread
a friend of mine just came back from 7 1/2 months in japan and he didnt recieve any "hate". and hes a black german
This is hilarious. This is probably akin to the whole "Black devils stealin' our white wiminz!" in America during the period of civil strife in the 70's, 80's, perhaps even today though to a much lesser extent. I'm sure Korea will get over it in time
On June 01 2012 23:11 kAelle_sc wrote: There is an Westerner expat minority in Korea? What are the jobs there for them? Out of curiosity
There's a huge market for foreign ESL teachers in Korea since most public schools and after school tutor centers (called Hagwons) employ foreigners specifically to teach english. The whole ESL affair is a topic on it's own and there are other threads that can be dug up which explore it in greater detail here on TL. Since it's kinda a controversial topic I'll leave it at that.
On June 01 2012 21:50 Antisocialmunky wrote: Rek's been busy it seems.
LOL Poor girls, defenseless against our foreigner's charm. Seeing myself, I can't blame them. To me, it seems that koreans don't realize that you're not going in a club to meet the love of your life.
Personally i don't give a shit if a foreigner gets cosy with a swedish girl. It's not my business anyway.
This just screams "insecure korean men" all over it. Im ofcourse not talking about all korean men here. Only the ones who feels it's wrong with mixing races ^^.
Although i really don't want to believe that there's many korean men that think this way. Probably just the older generation like mentioned in the op. Young people are more likely to be open minded instead of narrow minded.
I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
On June 01 2012 23:10 DwD wrote: Oh look. There are racists even in korea. I know Japan has a real problem with hate towards foreigners sad to see it's widespread
Just wanted to jump in on this - Japan doesn't have a real problem with hatred towards foreigners. If it did it wouldn't sponsor the immigration of tens of thousands of foreign workers to work in their schools. I've also been treated very kindly by most of the people I actually met in Japan in my time there. There are those who do mistrust and fear foreigners in Japan, and there is an undercurrent in society of groups who will spread lies and malicious propaganda about foreigners, but thankfully it isn't a mainstream thing.
It looks to be more of a problem in Korea if this kind of thing is being shown on national television - that said people I know who have lived in Korea have had both good and bad experiences with native Koreans. The video itself was shockingly bad as journalism and didn't actually present anything close to a fact in the whole piece - it seemed to take for granted that you the viewer thought of foreigners as bad and mixed-race couples as a terrible thing. What gets me is when they say these poor, dumb Korean women being stolen by those evil forriners have no-one to complain to. What about the real victims of this piece, the foreigners living in Korea? Who do they complain to about racial stereotyping, slander and the outright lies in this piece - am I right in thinking foreign teachers working in Korea have to be checked for HIV/AIDS?
On June 01 2012 23:28 unbal3 wrote: Um... I just should say.. This video is a lot less xenophobic than some people are taking it to be.
Keep in mind that sex is generally less casual in East Asian (specifically Korean, in this case) cultures, relatively speaking.
I don't know how the subtitles are making this sound, but the subtext of this video is "we should try and not do this" as opposed to "omfg foreigners get them out of here".
It IS open for interpretation, though, as can clearly be seen from some of these responses. If someone's already xenophobic, they're going to see this to confirm their pre-existing bias. I don't really see this as making anyone (or trying to make anyone) xenophobic, though.
How is this not xenophobic? Assuming the subtitles are correct, they basically said "a lot of foreigners come here to take advantage of our women and when they are done they take their money and transmit the HIV virus."
On June 01 2012 23:10 DwD wrote: Oh look. There are racists even in korea. I know Japan has a real problem with hate towards foreigners sad to see it's widespread
Just wanted to jump in on this - Japan doesn't have a real problem with hatred towards foreigners. If it did it wouldn't sponsor the immigration of tens of thousands of foreign workers to work in their schools. I've also been treated very kindly by most of the people I actually met in Japan in my time there. There are those who do mistrust and fear foreigners in Japan, and there is an undercurrent in society of groups who will spread lies and malicious propaganda about foreigners, but thankfully it isn't a mainstream thing.
I'm very aware the gov wants people to come to Japan either to work or for holiday. However just because you had a pleasant time doesn't mean there aren't people who have problems. I know this shit exists everywhere but trust me I did a whole lot of research when I was looking into Japan about ESL etc a while ago. It's very common for people to get "kaijin" etc yelled at them and to be looked down upon.
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
This video is a good example for propaganda and fear mongering, it will have an effect on the uneducated. I was often wondering why there was so much xenophobia in south korea, now I dont have to wonder any longer.
Lol this is great, even if this was a serious problem what does it say about the Korean women who mess around with the "foreign" men? Like anything you see on TV/Internet you take it with a grain of salt.
There is already page 11, so I just skimmed over the replys, but it seems that the answer is not there, so I doulf like to ask, if there is someone speaking Korean, who can tell whether the subtitles are correct? Because this really made me mad towards whoever did this and I don't want to be mad just because someone mistranslated it!
Anyway, if it really says what the subtitles say, I believe that some formulations would be outgirht illegal here (at least it would be punished by the Broadcasting overview comitteee). Do they really not have any provisions against spreading xenophobia on TV in Korea?
And the last point about the wholesome relationships, is that really Korea, not Iran? I knew something was going on in there for a long time, but had no idea that it is that bad.
This is bullshit, I hope one day it will become leagal to execute people who obviously spread bullshit, damn the streets would be running red with blood ....
On June 02 2012 00:30 Stress wrote: Lol this is great, even if this was a serious problem what does it say about the Korean women who mess around with the "foreign" men? Like anything you see on TV/Internet you take it with a grain of salt.
It says alot about the korean media. Instead of focusing on highlighting injustices they focus on this instead.
In Sweden we have ALOT of foreigners. We even have so many that we barely can take care of them properly because new people arrive almost everyday and we already have such a large number of foreigners that it's a huge problem for them to get any work. This is what the swedish media have been focusing on lately that we need to make it better for the foreign population so that they can get jobs and get more integrated into swedish society.
We've even had a foreigner that tried to blow himself up to try to kill innocent people (although thankfully he failed). And many other incident who have happened in other EU countries.
This just feels really petty by the korean media. Is this their major problem to report about?
Only the racist's whine about the foreigners. If the swedish media did a news report like this there would be riots in the streets by both foreigners and ethnical swedes.
What I find more appalling than the video itself is some of the comments on TL. You can understand why the video would sensationalize this story and portray it in this light; the network wants to increase their ratings. But, some of the replies here saying that it isn't Xenophobic or saying that it's a legitimate problem is depressing. There have already been comments explaining logically why it's erroneous to perceive this video as legitimate journalism so I won't waste my time on that debate.
The video was extremely racist. You would have to be ignorant not to see how terrible this video is, not only in the quality of journalism, but also terrible in the sense that it will affect the South Korean society in a negative way by perpetuating hostile, hyper-critical, Xenophobic, and racist views towards foreigners.
Korea is pretty well known for its, at best, cultural "undertones" of superiority. I'm looking forward to my (eventual) vacation to Korea, and understand that any foreign country is a mix of opinions. The dangerous thing in this situation, or any one simmilar, is to assume that a whole country feels this way. Same goes with any country. There is variance and dissent in any country and this is just a sample of what I'll assume is probably a minorty in Korean opinion. I can't stand when Americans say things like "Iranians are like this" or "the Chinese are like that"... everywhere has a variety of people and it's pretty unfair to charactarize a large population off of one thing like this.
edit: lol my first thought was this was going to be a collection of opinions about how bad the rest of the world is at Starcraft. I'm actually kinna glad it wasn't that. Racism is everywhere and it doesn't surprise me in the least.
if theres an opportunity for girls to get girls and its easier than normal who wouldnt take it?
the entire video is essentially guys being guys, and a SELECT amount of korean girls being well... girls, it just so happens that korea is not supportive thats it, this happens in every single country
On June 01 2012 23:10 Durp wrote: The funniest thing to me however, is that where I'm from there's a pretty large Korean population, and for the most part it is well known that they don't find white men attractive. Koreans here tend to centralize to one area of the city and generally only date other Koreans.
On June 02 2012 00:46 JitnikoVi wrote: if theres an opportunity for girls to get girls and its easier than normal who wouldnt take it?
the entire video is essentially guys being guys, and a SELECT amount of korean girls being well... girls, it just so happens that korea is not supportive thats it, this happens in every single country
Yeah it happens in every country. Jealous men or racists being cranky that "their" women sleep around with foreigners. But that the media in a country does a news report like this is HUGE.
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
offtopic, but a very fair amount of people meet get into relationships from places like school, i met both my ex girlfriend and my current in highschool, and then in university, and both relationships were/are great
so i dont understand your "obvious reasons", not to be rude, but im going to assume you havent dated or had much interaction with women
On June 02 2012 00:46 JitnikoVi wrote: if theres an opportunity for girls to get girls and its easier than normal who wouldnt take it?
the entire video is essentially guys being guys, and a SELECT amount of korean girls being well... girls, it just so happens that korea is not supportive thats it, this happens in every single country
Yeah it happens in every country. Jealous men or racists being cranky that "their" women sleep around with foreigners. But that the media in a country does a news report like this is HUGE.
it may be because korea isn't quite as multicultural as other developed countries and perhaps thats where this comes in, if you've ever played pandemic its sort of like that, now that the 'invading species' is present, it causes a stir
I have seen stuff like this in America against foreign women, particularly those from Vietnam and Thailand, saying they basically just want to take your money. Also, there were laws against interracial marriage up till recently in some states.
On June 02 2012 00:56 CaF-Lunar wrote: When will those childish xenophobies finally stop...every human is the same under the skin...at least for me.
its not childish when u look at all the history thats influenced people to feel this way or whatnot, it shouldnt be as severe as it is now, but its already not as severe as it was in previous centuries.
theres a legitimate reason for this, and it cant be changed overnight
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
There're foreigners coming to villages in Vietnam to buy off girls. There're video clips of girls lining up for some foreign dude to choose from. There're sex-tours where 4,5 guys from Taiwan, Korea coming here to choose girls. There're interviews of girls in and out of countries who are got lied to. We use the term "Taiwanese husband" to talk about those kind of guys (we use "Taiwanese" because Taiwanese makes up a big part of it, but there're still guys from US, Europe, Korea, even China). You can read these articles once a while in every common news websites, newspapers.
We have lots of articles about those stuff, just because no one sit down and count it for you, doesn't make it not true. You rarely see statistics in countries outside USA or Europe, statistics is not a popular subject, and there's no reliable way to gather data, social problems like this usually is more of the private side, where people don't want to talk about it openly.
The video is badly made obviously but I don't think it's right for us, as foreigners to Korean society, to say that the issues in the video are complete bullshit. To us, looking at the video as foreigners it seems insane but looking at the issue as a Korean who's grown up in a completely different society, the issue may have some validity. I don't believe that Koreans think all foreigners have HIV or something but if this video or ones like it means the Korean women will be more careful then I think the video is ok. The Korean women just have to take videos like these with a grain of salt, and I'm sure they have enough common sense to do so.
On June 02 2012 00:56 .Sic. wrote: As a Korean, if I may offer you guys some form of excuse...
we're also racist against Asians, especially Japanese and Chinese people ^^
Do Koreans actually feel like that? I have heard that people frown upon Korean girls dating foreigners.
When you live in the most ethnically homogeneous country in the god damn world... shit tends to be that way. I am sure people will become more open minded in the future.
According to wikipedia: in 2007 the number of foreign citizens resident in South Korea passed the million mark for the first time in history. 440,000 of them came from China, with more than half of them being ethnic Koreans of Chinese citizenship
there's barely 1 million foreigners in Korea and half of them are of Korean descent...
On June 01 2012 16:06 AeroEffect wrote: shit like this is embarrassing. Im sure being a black man I would NEVER be able to date a woman in korea if they were always watching shit like this.
Lol honestly if you were black they'll already be so dam fearful of you regarless of this. You won't want to know what we (chinese) get told.
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Anyways you people need to understand the "intimacy" part. Relationships are really different in this part of the world and the stereotypical westerner's behavior is just hard for them to accept, just like how westerners find it impossible to accept women wearing headscarfs or how kids have to study really hard and forgo "socialising".
Of course, they sensationalised it with the hiv and stealing money part. Still, those were anecdotes. I'm sure similar anecdotal stories are being told everywhere.
On June 02 2012 00:56 .Sic. wrote: As a Korean, if I may offer you guys some form of excuse...
we're racist against all ethnicities, even Japanese and Chinese people ^^
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
There're foreigners coming to villages in Vietnam to buy off girls. There're video clips of girls lining up for some foreign dude to choose from. There're sex-tours where 4,5 guys from Taiwan, Korea coming here to choose girls. There're interviews of girls in and out of countries who are got lied to. We use the term "Taiwanese husband" to talk about those kind of guys (we use "Taiwanese" because Taiwanese makes up a big part of it, but there're still guys from US, Europe, Korea, even China). You can read these articles once a while in every common news websites, newspapers.
We have lots of articles about those stuff, just because no one sit down and count it for you, doesn't make it not true. You rarely see statistics in countries outside USA or Europe, statistics is not a popular subject, and there's no reliable way to gather data, social problems like this usually is more of the private side, where people don't want to talk about it openly.
These girls are not prostitutes and there is a huge difference between South Korea and Vietnam.
On June 02 2012 00:56 CaF-Lunar wrote: When will those childish xenophobies finally stop...every human is the same under the skin...at least for me.
You should probably think before you post. Saying everyone is a clone of a human master copy with different appearances probably isn't the best thing to say...anywhere.
On June 01 2012 16:06 endy wrote: In Brachester defense, I live in China, and I personally know both : girls being victims, and guys who just sleep with different girls every week.
I hate unsubstantiated claims, but you can't ask for 5 academic papers every time someone says something. It's not like he said "oh I saw that issue on Vietnamese TV news too!" .
So it's up to 2-10 sample size now? Very good. Try 10,000 and the appropriate robustness tests and then I'll pay attention to your claims.
You clearly go to university and are very proud of this fact.
I guess anyone that doesn't know how to find or reference academic papers doesn't have an opinion worth hearing anymore? And of course everything in this world that exists outside of quantified and categorised data musn't be worth talking about.
Ugh, now I feel bad for adopting the same snotty tone you were using.
Just trying to say the tone of your messages is very elitist and you can't just demand everyone who wishes to talk about something needs to reference their claims as if it's a university paper. This isn't an academic forum so hoping for that would be a bit silly.
Nothing against you personally just I think you're posts were a little off.
Good day!
He/she made factual claims without providing evidence for them upon request. His beliefs on this matter were formed from a sample size of 1 individual, and perhaps news reports. This is how racist people think. They draw inference from crappy data. I was just pointing out that he was thinking about this badly.
I know you are very proud that you just had your first statistics course or something, but you don't actually have to back up every claim you make in a casual discussion. The fact that Vietnam has problems with foreign sex-tourism is pretty common knowledge. Common knowledge does not have to backed up in an academic setting, let alone an internet message board.
The common knowledge defence. lmao.
There're foreigners coming to villages in Vietnam to buy off girls. There're video clips of girls lining up for some foreign dude to choose from. There're sex-tours where 4,5 guys from Taiwan, Korea coming here to choose girls. There're interviews of girls in and out of countries who are got lied to. We use the term "Taiwanese husband" to talk about those kind of guys (we use "Taiwanese" because Taiwanese makes up a big part of it, but there're still guys from US, Europe, Korea, even China). You can read these articles once a while in every common news websites, newspapers.
We have lots of articles about those stuff, just because no one sit down and count it for you, doesn't make it not true. You rarely see statistics in countries outside USA or Europe, statistics is not a popular subject, and there's no reliable way to gather data, social problems like this usually is more of the private side, where people don't want to talk about it openly.
These girls are not prostitutes and there is a huge difference between South Korea and Vietnam.
No they're not. They want a better life, and they got introduced, or got searched by those guys. What I said was extreme cases and events that got caught and got on newspaper, but common scenarios are still girls met foreign guys, got promised, and got lied to.
Is this even Xenophobia? I kinda thought xeno was hate because the other is a foreigner.
But just because
1. There is hate + 2. The object is a foreigner
doesn't mean xenophobia. Like others here, Koreans just "protecting their women", so to speak.
ADDitionally, I'm pretty sure the subtitles convey much harsher meaning than intended. Everyone knows how widely innacurate the connotations and denotations of language used tend to be once a word, concept, clause or expression has been translated.
Yeah this isn't even comparable to Vietnam or Thailand.. I see what the documentary is raising but they way they slapped together the clips was pretty biased, you'll find the same attitude among a small sample of any race of people
If people studied a little bit of history, and learned about something called Orientalism (this will actually go a lot into gender and sexual issues) in the context of imperialism and colonialism (look up the opium wars while you're at it too, this might be why they try to portray foreigners as dirty devils), wouldn't it be kind of obvious why anti-foreigner videos are being made?
Of course, I don't think that history justifies this video at all. But maybe you would understand why sentiments like these exist, and stop acting like you're a complete and total victim.
The sarcastic comments that pop up on occasion in the top left corner were rather priceless.
I get that Korea doesn't approve of PDA (public displays of affection) and all, but it's still tame compared to what you would see at a club over in America.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
Does reality have to be vetted by academia? I'm glad the benevolent and kind people like yourself are in charge of determining all truth.
This is one of the modest ones, I remember seeing a lot more in Asian American class. I am glad that you're bringing this issue up, but you're doing it in an extremely one-sided way. Minorities are also constantly misrepresented in an harmful way in mainstream American media as well. This shit happens all over the world. You should post examples from different countries and discuss this problem in a bigger context.
Anti-miscegenation. Why is this new, and why are people flipping out?
It's existed all throughout the 20th century - and everyone's acting like it's never existed. Sexual relationships with the Natives were prohibited. The blacks were 'banned from cohabitation' with whites, and marriage with anyone of African descent was outright banned. It was considered felony. The Filipinos and the Malays got their share two decades later. Then the East Asians. Is it really surprising that shit like this aired in a country that places high values on tradition and conservatism?
Lighten up, ffs. Just think of it as the whites had their share of women being stolen by large, masculine Black men, tried to stop it, realized they couldn't do shit about it; and now it's the Asian's turn.
This is one of the modest ones, I remember seeing a lot more in Asian American class. I am glad that you're bringing this issue up, but you're doing it in an extremely one-sided way. Minorities are also constantly misrepresented in an harmful way in mainstream American media as well. This shit happens all over the world. You should post examples from different countries and discuss this problem in a bigger context.
Like how Asians in general are portrayed in American media? The men are all effeminate nerds who show nothing but spite and jealousy towards the success of the white man and seem to have no knowledge whatsoever on any topics relating to sex? Or how the women are all pure, exotic, untouched virgin princesses waiting for a white knight to deflower their sacred hymen and liberate them from their oppressive family/boyfriend by whisking them away to the land of freedom?
On June 01 2012 16:06 AeroEffect wrote: shit like this is embarrassing. Im sure being a black man I would NEVER be able to date a woman in korea if they were always watching shit like this.
Americans complaining about this shit is like pot calling the kettle black...
You guys shouldn't take this so seriously. If you ever watch Korean T.V. you will realize that they tend to over exaggerate a lot of things. I'm not saying that this kind of stuff doesn't happen in Korea, but occasionally something like this will happen and a T.V. show will try to make it "shocking" and "interesting" by making it a big deal out of it.
This is an on going and quite well known problem in Korea.. General concensus of Korean men is that they will NOT date girls who hang out in Itaewon and foreign exchange students (particularly the ones studying in Australia). This is because media and news always portrays them as sluts craving to get banged by foreigners. This is somewhat true. It is terrible thing to stereotype everyone but many english teachers in Korea (and many being completely unqualified failures) come here to get girls. There is even a site for english teachers on sharing the experience of banging korean chicks right?
Also, last year or 2 years ago, video posted by a guy named "Black Quincy" fueled a fire on this where he posted bunch of videos of him banging several different chicks. Despite these sluts being a small sample, and definitely does not portray all the women, it definitely gives negative vibe towards the women in Itaewon and as a result, regular Korean men do dislike foreigners, especially the ones in Itaewon.
Occasional rape by American soldiers don't help either.
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
offtopic, but a very fair amount of people meet get into relationships from places like school, i met both my ex girlfriend and my current in highschool, and then in university, and both relationships were/are great
so i dont understand your "obvious reasons", not to be rude, but im going to assume you havent dated or had much interaction with women
You don't understand the obvious reasons? You don't understand that seeing each other 8'ish hours every single day at school and then during free time too might be a tad bit too much? You would be spending more time with each other than most married couples. And by the way your assumption where you intented to "not to be rude" you actually were it's almost like saying to some one who says they don't have many friends "not to be rude or anything but you are probably just some sociopathic kid"
Occasional rape by American soldiers? You make it sound as if it's a recurring incident. This thread is already so full of hate, bigotry and ignorance. I cannot believe people are actually defending this isolationist propoganda. This thread needs to be closed.
On June 02 2012 00:56 CaF-Lunar wrote: When will those childish xenophobies finally stop...every human is the same under the skin...at least for me.
You should probably think before you post. Saying everyone is a clone of a human master copy with different appearances probably isn't the best thing to say...anywhere.
What i wanted to say is, that it´s kinda pathetic that humans judge other humans on how they look like, because in the end we are made of blood and water, sry if you misunderstood something.
neversummer, I read Korean news everyday. This happens maybe once a year. It is NOTHING compared to the number of Korean or Chinese raping women in the entire country. But obviously, media busts it out and all hell goes to loose, with Bbal gaeng ee (North Korea followers) shouting "AMERICA OUT". What I'm saying is even those little things makes huge negative impact on the view on foreigners, just because media does it that way.
It's hilarious. American soldiers maybe commit crime couple times the whole year. The crime % of white foreigners are not even comparable to those from China. Good thing the general public's attention is now on China, because of flurry of recent murders/rapes by the Chinese.
The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
On June 02 2012 01:32 neversummer wrote: Occasional rape by American soldiers? You make it sound as if it's a recurring incident. This thread is already so full of hate, bigotry and ignorance. I cannot believe people are actually defending this isolationist propoganda. This thread needs to be closed.
This
Its pretty clear who is being ignorant, racist, and bigoted in this storyline.
For a few seconds i thought i was watching fox news, this is some pretty hilarious shit and i cant understand if lots of people would belive in this or not, but korea is not the only country who over exagerate things like this, ive seen it happend in many countries over and over
Thinking of going to korea in a couple of years I hope im not going to be labeled as rapist or anything
On June 02 2012 01:32 neversummer wrote: Occasional rape by American soldiers? You make it sound as if it's a recurring incident. This thread is already so full of hate, bigotry and ignorance. I cannot believe people are actually defending this isolationist propoganda. This thread needs to be closed.
This
Its pretty clear who is being ignorant, racist, and bigoted in this storyline.
Why don't you go read what I actually meant. I'm not putting the blame on American soldiers, but instead on media such as MBC of portraying it with huge weight, and as a result, all those anti-American retards fueling the fire on hatred.
On June 01 2012 15:50 rbx270j wrote: Best Korea Tourism Ad I've ever seen
Ha ha yes definatly
Btw i did hear somewhere that koreans specially dig facial hair (because koreans have verry little facial hair) Could annyone from korea tell me if this is true? Would be such a waste to have it shaved of just before going to see seoul.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: neversummer, I read Korean news everyday. This happens maybe once a year. It is NOTHING compared to the number of Korean or Chinese raping women in the entire country. But obviously, media busts it out and all hell goes to loose, with Bbal gaeng ee (North Korea followers) shouting "AMERICA OUT". What I'm saying is even those little things makes huge negative impact on the view on foreigners, just because media does it that way.
It's hilarious. American soldiers maybe commit crime couple times the whole year. The crime % of white foreigners are not even comparable to those from China. Good thing the general public's attention is now on China, because of flurry of recent murders/rapes by the Chinese.
The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
Yes, this paints a much clearer picture. I believe it has happened eleven times in the past twelve years, which by any standard is still wildly unacceptable. Fortunately the latest assailant, a 21-year-old Army private, has been sentenced to ten years in prison. I can only hope this will serve as a warning and a deterrent in the future, as the American presence in South Korea is intended for safety and security and the rape of innocent women clearly counteracts this endeavor.
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
offtopic, but a very fair amount of people meet get into relationships from places like school, i met both my ex girlfriend and my current in highschool, and then in university, and both relationships were/are great
so i dont understand your "obvious reasons", not to be rude, but im going to assume you havent dated or had much interaction with women
You don't understand the obvious reasons? You don't understand that seeing each other 8'ish hours every single day at school and then during free time too might be a tad bit too much? You would be spending more time with each other than most married couples. And by the way your assumption where you intented to "not to be rude" you actually were it's almost like saying to some one who says they don't have many friends "not to be rude or anything but you are probably just some sociopathic kid"
you realise thats only your opinion, and maybe how u see things, the reality is that like ive already stated, a moderate amount of people do go through relationships that start in education, and they carry out fine, youve never seen people in your high school dating? i would think its the easiest place to meet a partner because your there several days a week and you have constant contact
your one of those guys that enjoys his own time, and i can understand, but to say its an "obvious reason" to not date people from your school is completely disproportional
On June 02 2012 00:56 CaF-Lunar wrote: When will those childish xenophobies finally stop...every human is the same under the skin...at least for me.
You should probably think before you post. Saying everyone is a clone of a human master copy with different appearances probably isn't the best thing to say...anywhere.
What i wanted to say is, that it´s kinda pathetic that humans judge other humans on how they look like, because in the end we are made of blood and water, sry if you misunderstood something.
So are fishes, so should we judge them the same?
In the end we are all different, and should be judged individually, I hope that this is what you wanted to say all along.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
What's wrong with koreans girls "who only likes to sleep with foreigners" ? really don't see how their sexual preference is any of your business.
We should prolly decide that white guys that have a thing for asians should be looked down upon, would definately make TL more fun.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
What's wrong with koreans girls "who only likes to sleep with foreigners" ? really don't see how their sexual preference is any of your business.
We should prolly decide that white guys that have a thing for asians should be looked down upon, would definately make TL more fun.
Because regular Korean women who aren't sluts are portrayed as sluts as a whole. I guess the Korean men who goes to South East Asia on a business (or more like Sex-tour) trip is nothing wrong because they can do whatever they want. Well guess what, it leaves a large imprint that Korean men are irresponsible dicks. Just like that, these select women in Itaewon has left a large negative imprint on all Korean women in the country. It saddens and angers me to see them Internet cafe's made by English teachers in Korea discussing their 'easy' experience with these sluts, making it seem like all Korean women are easy.
On June 02 2012 01:30 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: This is an on going and quite well known problem in Korea.. General concensus of Korean men is that they will NOT date girls who hang out in Itaewon and foreign exchange students (particularly the ones studying in Australia). This is because media and news always portrays them as sluts craving to get banged by foreigners. This is somewhat true. It is terrible thing to stereotype everyone but many english teachers in Korea (and many being completely unqualified failures) come here to get girls. There is even a site for english teachers on sharing the experience of banging korean chicks right?
Same thing happens in Japan. There are certain areas that are deemed "easy" for foreigners to score in. Plenty of guys go because of the good old yellow fever and date girls who exclusively date foreigners. (It does happen the other way too, girls are just as likely to have yellow fever, they just don't seem to get the stigma guys do) Korea like Japan is a very homogeneous society, outside of Seoul Id imagine the chances of bumping into foreigners goes waaaaay down. People will always chase what is different. You see the same sensationalistic reporting all over Asia, mostly targeted at the older generations who still believe this stuff. The younger generations generally don't however. There's still idiots in Japan who think the reason their birth rate is low is because the foreign devil is stealing all their good woman. Sensationalistic reporting at its best. Anecdotal evidence, heavily biased opinions. Not worth worrying over.
On June 02 2012 01:30 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: This is an on going and quite well known problem in Korea.. General concensus of Korean men is that they will NOT date girls who hang out in Itaewon and foreign exchange students (particularly the ones studying in Australia). This is because media and news always portrays them as sluts craving to get banged by foreigners. This is somewhat true. It is terrible thing to stereotype everyone but many english teachers in Korea (and many being completely unqualified failures) come here to get girls. There is even a site for english teachers on sharing the experience of banging korean chicks right?
You can find websites like that for every country in the world or every culture in the world. American girls are apparently easy for Brits because of the accent, Asian girls are apparently easy for foreigners because they are different etc etc. Having been an exchange student and lived with lots of Koreans (outside of Korea) I'm in my experience, they aren't sluts wanting to be banged by foreigners at all. Most of them keep to themselves and stay within their own little Korean bubbles, even the ones who do speak good English.
One Korean girl did nearly give me a seizure laughing so hard at a Starcraft inspired put down of her friend, but that's a different story.
That's like any right wing media bullshit: old people will care because they already had their mind set in that direction anyways. Anybody under 40 will probably laugh hard at generalizations like that.
Sidenote: Under these circumstances it's admirable how Tasteless apparently stays single in Korea^^
On June 02 2012 00:56 CaF-Lunar wrote: When will those childish xenophobies finally stop...every human is the same under the skin...at least for me.
You should probably think before you post. Saying everyone is a clone of a human master copy with different appearances probably isn't the best thing to say...anywhere.
What i wanted to say is, that it´s kinda pathetic that humans judge other humans on how they look like, because in the end we are made of blood and water, sry if you misunderstood something.
So are fishes, so should we judge them the same?
In the end we are all different, and should be judged individually, I hope that this is what you wanted to say all along.
Wait, is a girl a victim if she has a one night stand with a foreigner? I hope it goes beyond this. Many, many people go to clubs with intentions of getting a one night stand... I can't possibly see a girl as a victim in this scenario. And what, are foreigners like the only ones infected with HIV or something? Use a condom. It's not like there aren't Korean women with STDs too...
On June 02 2012 02:42 FabledIntegral wrote: Wait, is a girl a victim if she has a one night stand with a foreigner? I hope it goes beyond this. Many, many people go to clubs with intentions of getting a one night stand... I can't possibly see a girl as a victim in this scenario. And what, are foreigners like the only ones infected with HIV or something? Use a condom. It's not like there aren't Korean women with STDs too...
lol. They say the korean girls are victims just because they don't want to admit their women actually wants to have sex with foreigners.
This video is pretty lulz, as an AIDS infected fertile, money laundering seducing white devil I have to agree completely with the way this video portrays every foreigner from the states.
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
offtopic, but a very fair amount of people meet get into relationships from places like school, i met both my ex girlfriend and my current in highschool, and then in university, and both relationships were/are great
so i dont understand your "obvious reasons", not to be rude, but im going to assume you havent dated or had much interaction with women
You don't understand the obvious reasons? You don't understand that seeing each other 8'ish hours every single day at school and then during free time too might be a tad bit too much? You would be spending more time with each other than most married couples. And by the way your assumption where you intented to "not to be rude" you actually were it's almost like saying to some one who says they don't have many friends "not to be rude or anything but you are probably just some sociopathic kid"
you realise thats only your opinion, and maybe how u see things, the reality is that like ive already stated, a moderate amount of people do go through relationships that start in education, and they carry out fine, youve never seen people in your high school dating? i would think its the easiest place to meet a partner because your there several days a week and you have constant contact
your one of those guys that enjoys his own time, and i can understand, but to say its an "obvious reason" to not date people from your school is completely disproportional
What the F*** dude!? I never said school! I said CLASS those two things are WAY different. I am not even gonna respond to another one of your assumptions.
You can find websites like that for every country in the world or every culture in the world. American girls are apparently easy for Brits because of the accent, Asian girls are apparently easy for foreigners because they are different etc etc. Having been an exchange student and lived with lots of Koreans (outside of Korea) I'm in my experience, they aren't sluts wanting to be banged by foreigners at all. Most of them keep to themselves and stay within their own little Korean bubbles, even the ones who do speak good English.
I know. I said particularly Australia because of bad reputation of Korean women there.
I live outside of Korea right now and I don't know any Korean girl dating a non-Korean! So I agree with you. But exchange students and yuhaksaengs are different. These English exchange students (staying for 6-12 months) are disliked even by Korean men here while yuhaksaeng (students here on student visa studying for +4~6 years) are more likely the general student population. I for one have never seen a single exchange student who was good at english, and I have seen many. They just come here to take a year off in Korea and enjoy life here which no one back at home will ever find out, hence why Korean men dislike them
On June 02 2012 00:15 Shiragaku wrote: I hope there are more Koreans who support anti-globalization rather than ethnic nationalism.
And this is nothing new. Whenever we have a male foreign exchange student in the school, all the girls want him and sometimes, the guys will react harshly.
Same with female exchange students. All the guys will flock around them and many of the girls will call her a slut.
Why? Why do they even care? :S I would never ever ever date a girl in my class, for very obvious reasons.
offtopic, but a very fair amount of people meet get into relationships from places like school, i met both my ex girlfriend and my current in highschool, and then in university, and both relationships were/are great
so i dont understand your "obvious reasons", not to be rude, but im going to assume you havent dated or had much interaction with women
You don't understand the obvious reasons? You don't understand that seeing each other 8'ish hours every single day at school and then during free time too might be a tad bit too much? You would be spending more time with each other than most married couples. And by the way your assumption where you intented to "not to be rude" you actually were it's almost like saying to some one who says they don't have many friends "not to be rude or anything but you are probably just some sociopathic kid"
you realise thats only your opinion, and maybe how u see things, the reality is that like ive already stated, a moderate amount of people do go through relationships that start in education, and they carry out fine, youve never seen people in your high school dating? i would think its the easiest place to meet a partner because your there several days a week and you have constant contact
your one of those guys that enjoys his own time, and i can understand, but to say its an "obvious reason" to not date people from your school is completely disproportional
What the F*** dude!? I never said school! I said CLASS those two things are WAY different. I am not even gonna respond to another one of your assumptions.
You need to relax man, class implies pretty heavily that you mean school. You act like he kicked your dog or something
Very inciteful, thank you for your informed opinion, and thanks to everyone else who contributed to this post.
I was a bit angry when I first saw the vid, but I calmed down pretty quick when I really thought about it. Its a bunch of silly fluff, there may be some deep seeded and vocal minorites in SK that really would like all the Foreigners to gtfo but it seems to be outside the norm.
In the end I watched the video and got a few cheap laughs out of it, and it bolstered my potential confidence should I ever decide to leave the love of my life and decide to hunt the notorious "Yellow Tail" :D
But seriously this is not such a big deal, people are ucomfortable sometimes, hopefully as long as it doesn't spill over into violent actions, its just sensationalist idiocy (with an undercurrent of public tension to be sure)!
On June 01 2012 16:38 NeverGG wrote: I'm unsurprised tbh. Korea is known (like most countries depending upon the subjects that the media know will gain them attention), for this kind of garbage sensationalist/generalization journalism. As a woman living there I was kind of lucky because I was never subject to the whole 'Foreign guy come to rape/stain our women.' kind of treatment. Whilst it's true that there are some men who come to SK with a bit of 'yellow fever' and do have the intention to date Korean women as a priority there are also plenty of Korean men whose treatment of Korean/foreign women is just the same (it's just a slightly different style when it comes to PDA.)
There's even a group called Anti-English Spectrum who are specifically targeted towards exposing foreigners who are engaging in anything they deem to be unacceptable (It's fine if those involved are breaking the law), but apparently this group has stalked and harassed completely innocent people in the past. I've also heard stories on Dave's ESL Cafe of (usually older and almost always drunk) Korean men abusing foreign man/Korean woman couples on the street for no apparent reason (beyond their own xenophobia.) Personally, the majority of young Korean guys I came into contact with where intensely immature, and the older generation were often drunk, angry and annoying. I did meet some lovely men over in SK, but seeing the weekday falling-down-drunk antics of people old enough to know better really didn't make me think 'Wow, they're so superior to Foreign men.'
It's comically biased to suggest that the Korean women who date foreign men are being taken advantage of - if they're going to popular foreigner hang outs/going into clubs where there will definitely be foreign men then it's a given that some of the guys in there might try to hit on them. It's not as if they're poor powerless virgins with no means to say no.
I enjoyed my time in SK, but seeing things like this make me glad I left.
(I did find it kind of funny that they altered the voices to make everyone sound like a chipmunk though.)
The usual reasons I hear at times for asian women in general having a bit of attraction to foreigners is because of a feeling of exoticism linked with foreigners, they think foreign males are more outgoing and masculine (perception and reality can obviously be different), perhaps don't like how they're treated within their own culture as a female?
This is dangerous if taken the wrong way. There are some legitimate issues like most Asian people being uncomfortable with too much public physical intimacy with someone who isn't their husband. (My parents would have a heart attack if I did that). The problem is that the Asian women who disregard these values are the younger ones, so it's more of a generational gap. THe problem also, with some women throwing themselves at foreign/Caucasian men is that it gives Asian women a bad name because some white guys think we are "easy". (Before anyone goes off saying otherwise, I said SOME think this) This happened to me while in vacation in Thailand and a few foreign guys started approaching and asking 'how much' and I was wearing plain T-shirt, jeans and converse! But in general it is dangerous and wrong to typecast a whole group for the actions of a few.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
pssh its common knowledge to anyone living in asian countries. asian girls have white fever way worse than white guys have yellow fever. they all want a trophy white husband. you don't need scientific studies to back it up, you can just talk to the girls yourself.
but you can take a look at census data in the US to see dating preferences even here - white male asian female couples and black guy white girl couples are the largest demographic when it comes to interracial dating. other combos are insignificant in comparison.
so yes, it is quite easy for a foreigner to go to korea, bang tons of girls, party hard, and never call them again
On June 01 2012 16:16 scph wrote: I don't understand why this is "trash" or bad? It's not offensive or negative at all. It's raising awareness about issues that do exist, and though it may sound offensive, it is just the way Asian culture is. I'm not Korean, but I am Asian, and as an Asian, I have seen this idea of "foreigners" shitting on Asians and their cultural values many times. I've also seen Asians shitting all over other people just because they're foreigners as well. The problem is, individuals group everyone into one category just because of their race or ethnicity and then people put a label on them, upsetting millions of people. If the video had presented its message in a more "appropriate" way, no one would be so uptight about it. But it isn't, so get over it. I love how in the U.S., one Asian guy does something horrible and he's immediately front page news, but twenty other white guys have done the same thing yet they get a 1 minute coverage on Breaking News, Live at 11. It's the fucking media folks, deal with it.
Anyways, generally speaking, the Asians have very conservative cultures. They will speak about foreigners in disrespectful ways and will look down on interracial relationships. But you know what? There is a good amount of truth in the things Asians have to say about "foreigners". But it's not just foreigners causing problems, everyone does it to everyone else at some point. It's only being emphasized in Korea because it's starting to become a large issue there.
No, just no, you just say that happens, but really, it never happens, there is hardly ever a time when an asian man is on the BREAKING NEWS cuz he broke the law. You clearly have not seen American News for a while. Next, I understand it might be an issue, that is fine, but there is no legitimate evidence to back this up other than a few "victims." If i were to diagnose every white chick who dated an asian man, who then broke her heart, as a cultural issue, that would be racist wouldn't it? Oh shit we just got to why us foreigners might be a bit angry about this, just like you would be if my aformentioned statement were to air. The fact is that this was portrayed as us foreigners coming in and pillaging Korean women, not directly saying we'd give them HIV but saying that our sleeping around will give them HIV somehow, and stealing them from more deserving korean men. Thats putting this "documentary" in other words. If it had been put in such a way that it wasn't intentionally made to hurt people who aren't the Korean majority, then it would be fine. I'm not arguing for political correctness, I'm arguing for people not to be bigots against the majority of people.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
What's wrong with koreans girls "who only likes to sleep with foreigners" ? really don't see how their sexual preference is any of your business.
We should prolly decide that white guys that have a thing for asians should be looked down upon, would definately make TL more fun.
Because regular Korean women who aren't sluts are portrayed as sluts as a whole. I guess the Korean men who goes to South East Asia on a business (or more like Sex-tour) trip is nothing wrong because they can do whatever they want. Well guess what, it leaves a large imprint that Korean men are irresponsible dicks. Just like that, these select women in Itaewon has left a large negative imprint on all Korean women in the country. It saddens and angers me to see them Internet cafe's made by English teachers in Korea discussing their 'easy' experience with these sluts, making it seem like all Korean women are easy.
Nothing wrong with being easy tho, it was historically bad due to pregnancy risk but nowadays, with contraception (and not being totally irresponsable wrt STDs), it is objectively a non issue.
You might have traditional/religious moral objections to it and that's fine but projecting your own moral values onto others is pretty delusional and will do nothing but generate unnecessary hate.
As for Korea reputation, this broadcast is a lot more damaging than all the koreans girls with foreigners fever ever will be.
haha Korean men thinks they can just pull it out at the right time to prevent pregnancy. Irresponsibility at best. But I put the blame on education system, they're scared to conduct proper sex ed for some reason. I for one was shocked at Western sex ed when I immigrated.
I don't care about them being easy. I care about the entire population portrayed badly as a whole because of these select easy women. What does this have to do with my moral or opinion, this is stereotype and misperception.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
pssh its common knowledge to anyone living in asian countries. asian girls have white fever way worse than white guys have yellow fever. they all want a trophy white husband. you don't need scientific studies to back it up, you can just talk to the girls yourself.
but you can take a look at census data in the US to see dating preferences even here - white male asian female couples and black guy white girl couples are the largest demographic when it comes to interracial dating. other combos are insignificant in comparison.
so yes, it is quite easy for a foreigner to go to korea, bang tons of girls, party hard, and never call them again
Maybe in the Far East you're right about that. But in SoCal at least, many asian girls are either fobby of varying degrees, anti-dating, and/or anti-dating non-asians. Then a good many of the 'eligible' ones are just ugly or weird. Makes me wonder how the hell I ever developed yellow fever haha or how I've gotten a hold of a good number of pretty sweet asian girls over the past few years given the small window available.
Then of course there's the Asian girls around these parts who literally want nothing to do with Asian stuff and aren't ethnocentric at all and are just down and cool. Those girls are awesome, though in a very small minority in my experience.
Only saying this once to avoid myself getting absorbed in this stupid flame-fest:
-Video is bigotted and shows preferencialism towards a nationalistic and xenophobic type of mentality
-Video is also correct that its a major problem over there. Much moreso than vast majority of foreigners here are saying.
-Yeah, a lot of Asia is pretty xenophobic.
-Every single ethnicity has their "crazy stupid bitches" and their "proper women". Don't try denying that.
-Most (yes, most) of the foreign people here are being just as racist in their statements in far more ignorant ways than this video.
-Not understanding the culture and the fact that Asia still very much remembers the "Westernization" of Asia which is still being done today at great cost to the public.
-If you haven't been conquered in recent history, you really can't hope to understand the resulting xenophobic reaction from a nation(s) who has. People who haven't been through that kind of change should not type or speak about such things because it would appear exactly like a small child speaking on international commerce and serious political and financial issues to them.
On June 02 2012 03:33 Chill wrote: Korea doesn't believe in contraception. I went to a pharmacy to buy condoms and the pharmacist offered me a box with dinosaurs on it.
Huh, has it still not changed? I asked a friend and he says the convenience stores all sell it.
On Jun 1 2012 14:33 (25 min) Chill wrote: Korea doesn't believe in contraception. I went to a pharmacy to buy condoms and the pharmacist offered me a box with dinosaurs on it.
On June 02 2012 03:33 Chill wrote: Korea doesn't believe in contraception. I went to a pharmacy to buy condoms and the pharmacist offered me a box with dinosaurs on it.
It's cause you're foreign, so they assume your penis is the size of a dinosaur.
On June 02 2012 03:33 Chill wrote: Korea doesn't believe in contraception. I went to a pharmacy to buy condoms and the pharmacist offered me a box with dinosaurs on it.
It's cause you're foreign, so they assume your penis is the size of a dinosaur.
Or maybe just dinosaurs died out becouse of condoms...
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
And you sir sound like a retard.
Anyway, I could totally see how this is a problem, and probably not only in Asian countries. I have traveled through South America and there is also more interest in foreign men there. The fact that foreigners aren't the typical man they see in their day to day lives it intrigues them much more. Also many woman like the idea of possibly marrying, and living in another country.
On June 02 2012 02:50 TheBatman wrote: This video is pretty lulz, as an AIDS infected fertile, money laundering seducing white devil I have to agree completely with the way this video portrays every foreigner from the states.
So the video may be bad, but a lot of people are talking about attraction between people and foreigners and vice versa as though it's something uniquely Korean or uniquely Asian.
It's common for people to find people from other countries attractive. Anecdotally, I know it is true for a lot of American women and British or Australian men and the same for American men and British and Australian women.
Isn't this fascination with people outside of your culture somewhat human nature? The video is crazy, sure, but it is odd for people to feel like this is some weird thing between just Asians and white men.
I found the video a bit stupid, just like a lot of news shows in America, biased very much so. What about an example of good men? Ahh yeah, that doesn't bring viewers so lets not do that.
On June 02 2012 03:53 sCCrooked wrote: Only saying this once to avoid myself getting absorbed in this stupid flame-fest:
-Video is bigotted and shows preferencialism towards a nationalistic and xenophobic type of mentality
-Video is also correct that its a major problem over there. Much moreso than vast majority of foreigners here are saying.
-Yeah, a lot of Asia is pretty xenophobic.
-Every single ethnicity has their "crazy stupid bitches" and their "proper women". Don't try denying that.
-Most (yes, most) of the foreign people here are being just as racist in their statements in far more ignorant ways than this video.
-Not understanding the culture and the fact that Asia still very much remembers the "Westernization" of Asia which is still being done today at great cost to the public.
-If you haven't been conquered in recent history, you really can't hope to understand the resulting xenophobic reaction from a nation(s) who has. People who haven't been through that kind of change should not type or speak about such things because it would appear exactly like a small child speaking on international commerce and serious political and financial issues to them.
And what is the problem exactly? There are some girls who have foreigner fever and some foreigners who have yellow fever. People who generalize one way or the other should really step back and consider their world view. How can you say most people's comments here are "just as racist [...] in far more ignorant ways than this video." Is my post like that? That video was pretty disturbing basically stating multiple times that foreigners prey on unsuspecting poor Korean women ("Were you a victim of a foreigner? [...] Most don't want to tell us the truth."), give them HIV, and get them pregnant. Explain which majority of posts here make ignorant statements to a worse degree.
That reporting is just hilariously bad. I don't think you should excuse xenophobia to "that kind of change." Asian countries were not the only ones suffering great changes and being conquered. Though I can see the point of view, It doesn't make it right.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: The fault is on both sides, hoebags who only likes to sleep with foreigners (and these are very minority, only in Itaewon prolly) and those who takes advantage of this. I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). But I also think you can't fault Korean men who watches news and hears bad things about what happens in Itaewon
What's wrong with koreans girls "who only likes to sleep with foreigners" ? really don't see how their sexual preference is any of your business.
We should prolly decide that white guys that have a thing for asians should be looked down upon, would definately make TL more fun.
Because regular Korean women who aren't sluts are portrayed as sluts as a whole. I guess the Korean men who goes to South East Asia on a business (or more like Sex-tour) trip is nothing wrong because they can do whatever they want. Well guess what, it leaves a large imprint that Korean men are irresponsible dicks. Just like that, these select women in Itaewon has left a large negative imprint on all Korean women in the country. It saddens and angers me to see them Internet cafe's made by English teachers in Korea discussing their 'easy' experience with these sluts, making it seem like all Korean women are easy.
Aren't you being equally stereotyping? You're saying that makes all Korean women look easy? I disagree. I really don't think people should be assuming Korean women are easy because there are some (famously?) easy women. There are all kinds of people, and of course most are not like that. Jumping from that to "foreigners are only here to prey on poor Korean women and get them pregnant" is a little much...
On June 02 2012 03:33 Chill wrote: Korea doesn't believe in contraception. I went to a pharmacy to buy condoms and the pharmacist offered me a box with dinosaurs on it.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
5 Academic papers on how Vietnamese women seek foreign men and often have consequences.
Who the fuck would write an academic paper on that, and who would publish it either?
Propaganda being passed as journalism. I hope this is the exception and not the rule, otherwise korean society and tv have long ways to go in terms of tolerance and openness.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
5 Academic papers on how Vietnamese women seek foreign men and often have consequences.
Who the fuck would write an academic paper on that, and who would publish it either?
Well, that is silly certainly.. still, it is not certain that asian women have less problems dating asian men I mean, unfortunate events such as pregnant women being left on their own, money scams, exploitation and even HIV infections -- have more to do with being a complete asshole than being a foreigner.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
Again, common knowledge does not mean it's necessarily correct. Yes, you're right. I think you missed my point. There's a lot more to social interaction than being "right". If a lot of people are being agreeing on something that you think is false, maybe you can help us out and go find evidence of the contrary. Don't care about it enough to do that? Then don't post in this thread.
You think you're so much better than everyone else? A lot of people are probably less educated and more ignorant than you. You said you were top 3% in your university? Well that's 97% of people you out performed at your school. Is that what you want? For us to suddenly acknowledge how smart you are? Do you really have to join this thread purely to point out other people's logical fallacies or lack of data? Do you even remotely care at all about the issues at hand? I slightly modified this chart a fellow TL'er made about you a while back Do you want to be known as "that one asshole who comes into random threads and asks for large quantities of academic research on every claim made in the thread?" Because that's where you're headed. Nothing you said was wrong, it's only how you said it that makes it so stupid. If you want to come off as intelligent, you're doing an awful job.
Lol, its so true!!! I am reading through this thread ONLY to see what arbitrageur will say next. I am only on page six. I cant wait to see whats to come.
On June 01 2012 19:23 arbitrageur wrote: Also remember that it was "common knowledge" in Germany that Jews were the reason for the depression. More evidence that large amounts of people can be completely idiotic and the reason why your appeals to common knowledge do not provide me with a good reason to believe your claim.
Again, common knowledge does not mean it's necessarily correct. Yes, you're right. I think you missed my point. There's a lot more to social interaction than being "right". If a lot of people are being agreeing on something that you think is false, maybe you can help us out and go find evidence of the contrary. Don't care about it enough to do that? Then don't post in this thread.
You think you're so much better than everyone else? A lot of people are probably less educated and more ignorant than you. You said you were top 3% in your university? Well that's 97% of people you out performed at your school. Is that what you want? For us to suddenly acknowledge how smart you are? Do you really have to join this thread purely to point out other people's logical fallacies or lack of data? Do you even remotely care at all about the issues at hand? I slightly modified this chart a fellow TL'er made about you a while back Do you want to be known as "that one asshole who comes into random threads and asks for large quantities of academic research on every claim made in the thread?" Because that's where you're headed. Nothing you said was wrong, it's only how you said it that makes it so stupid. If you want to come off as intelligent, you're doing an awful job.
Lol, its so true!!! I am reading through this thread ONLY to see what arbitrageur will say next. I am only on page six. I cant wait to see whats to come.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
I am a victim of a foreigner! They came late at night, made me drink stuff and then infected me with HIV!
Help, I've been foreignized!
What kind of joke is this really? As if no girls in Sweden get screwed over in a one night stand and have him gone before she wakes up the next day? How is HIV even related to foreigners?
"He impregnated me and didn't return my calls!"
Yeah clearly that's a foreigner in korea problem... Not like it ever happens between two people from the same country.
I did however find the video extremely funny, especially when they called a woman and said
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Err... you are comparing apples to oranges, then again intolerant people exist in all cultures..
He's not, though. It's a fear of the outside, of cultures that aren't your own, whether legitimate or not.
Sure.. intorelance is reprehensible, regardless. However, certain foreigners trying to get laid is not really comparable to some muslims trying to take down buildings with airplanes.
I'm not sure if many people on TL realize this but South Korea isn't Kirby's Dreamland.
Gender equality is lower than the UAE.
This report specifically is sensationalist journalism and shouldn't really be taken at face value. However, a lot of older Korean are pretty racist against non-Koreans.
why are there so many foreigners here hating on the video. although it is a racist video that has gone overboard but you can't deny that you feel threatened knowing that awareness has been raised and thus harder for you to fulfill your yellow fever dreams. a lot of white and black guys really want to have a quickie, and these stupid girls are taking risks. propaganda doesn't do anything or even accomplish anything - if it does and it affects you, then that's your problem. but if you feel offended by the video because you desire asian women, the real problem is probably you. if you are a non asian guy already in a relationship with an asian woman, and in the event your partner dies I bet you would still pursue another asian woman. that means whatever comes out of your mouth is invalid and you just want to satisfy your desire/egos.
the question is why are you angry? because you believe it affects your ability to interact with asian women in the foreseeable future and you would vent your frustration on any forum /news report because you know you badly want to 'try out' asian women and mingle with them.
If people are offended by this video, then I ask you this- how do you feel about black guys with white women?A bit jealous right ?and feel that blacks are unworthy of white women? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter with a black guy?
These questions are not intended to be racist but to highlight the exact same thing with the video and the central idea of the evil man. Why evil man? Because of the angry venters here are men. The evil man wants the women he desires but disapproves of men from other cultures. The evil man is a hypocrite, he keeps his daughters and women safe from other men from different cultures, he himself wants all the women from around the world.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
@Getpicture: I think you should replace "lots of black and white guys" with just "lots of people"... It's a pretty common phenomenom.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
On June 02 2012 11:41 getpicture wrote: If people are offended by this video, then I ask you this- how do you feel about black guys with white women?A bit jealous right ?and feel that blacks are unworthy of white women? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter with a black guy?
What? No, of course not. I wouldn't feel comfortable about my daughter being with any guy.
Seriously though, I think you're speaking only for yourself. This sounds like a very racist viewpoint. Why would I have a problem with black men dating white women? I have male friends who are black, they date whoever they want. I have female friends who are white, they date whoever they want as well. Unworthy of white women? I honestly have no idea how you came to these conclusions.
On June 02 2012 11:41 getpicture wrote: why are there so many foreigners here hating on the video. although it is a racist video that has gone overboard but you can't deny that you feel threatened knowing that awareness has been raised and thus harder for you to fulfill your yellow fever dreams. a lot of white and black guys really want to have a quickie, and these stupid girls are taking risks. propaganda doesn't do anything or even accomplish anything - if it does and it affects you, then that's your problem. but if you feel offended by the video because you desire asian women, the real problem is probably you. if you are a non asian guy already in a relationship with an asian woman, and in the event your partner dies I bet you would still pursue another asian woman. that means whatever comes out of your mouth is invalid and you just want to satisfy your desire/egos.
Your post makes little sense. As you said, it's a racist (and honestly hilarious) video. No one is actually angry, but i for one am amused and miffed at the ignorance in the video. So no one can say anything about a racist video if they are dating an asian partner. What are you talking about?
the question is why are you angry? because you believe it affects your ability to interact with asian women in the foreseeable future and you would vent your frustration on any forum /news report because you know you badly want to 'try out' asian women and mingle with them.
I can't tell if you're trolling or actually believe this. Yeah, it's true. An analog to this situation is privacy and security: you only care about privacy because you've got child porn to hide, right?
If people are offended by this video, then I ask you this- how do you feel about black guys with white women?A bit jealous right ?and feel that blacks are unworthy of white women? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter with a black guy?
No, I wouldn't feel jealous or uncomfortable. Let people date who they want to, if they're good people. I'm guessing you would? Let's keep the whites away from the asians. Unworthy of white women?? Don't speak for others please.
These questions are not intended to be racist but to highlight the exact same thing with the video and the central idea of the evil man. Why evil man? Because of the angry venters here are men. The evil man wants the women he desires but disapproves of men from other cultures. The evil man is a hypocrite, he keeps his daughters and women safe from other men from different cultures, he himself wants all the women from around the world.
After seeing this video my thoughts are... DAMN FOREIGNERS, why are you trying to take advantage of innocent women? You bastards, go back to Mexico or wherever you came from.
On June 02 2012 12:00 Celestia wrote: After seeing this video my thoughts are... DAMN FOREIGNERS, why are you trying to take advantage of innocent women? You bastards, go back to Mexico or wherever you came from.
If you ask me, there are too many Mexicans coming into Mexico and stealing hard-working Mexican jobs. Then again, I'm no Mexican. I'm the man that Mexico left behind.
It's definitely the first time caucasians felt racism directed at them. The video is clearly aimed at primarily at the white caucasian demographic and its obvious to see why. Do caucasians feel offended when asians get negatively portrayed in the media? Of course not. They don't even come to their defense. Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced. You obviously don't want someone to judge you with preconceived assumptions. Stereotypes are stereotypes. They exist for a reason. Prejudices exist for a reason too. Simply detach yourself from race and live happily in assimilation.
What these immoral men do to women in the videos, should have nothing to do with you and end of story. So don't be offended. If you still are it is still because you believe your ' insert race' doesn't do these things. Now that is a racist thought. Every man for themselves would be a lot closer to any hostility and world peace.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
-_- How about I actually know a person who is a victim?
TIL I can pass off anecdotal evidence as undeniable proof. AKA I saw that a black man killed someone once on tv, therefore all black men are killers.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
if you can't cite at least 5 academic papers detailing the issue at hand then you have no legitimate right to state any kind of position. basically, you're a bigot.
Does reality have to be vetted by academia? I'm glad the benevolent and kind people like yourself are in charge of determining all truth.
For the large part it would seem that to make an argument seem valid it needs to be backed by some real evidence. I understand how plenty of people think it's ridiculous that you should have to have evidence for every view you have, but what's the point in holding any beliefs unless they're backed by truth. If people actually lived life believing things because the facts showed them to be true instead of just making assumptions about 99% of their beliefs, life would hopefully be much better (yes this is an assumption)
Getpicture you are really offensive, quite honestly racist and not only that but you put words into everyone's mouths in this conversation and make massive generalizations. I suggest you leave the conversation im suprised no one has acted angrily towards you. You sound like an absolute hypocrite who seems really vengeful about white people. You honestly think that the current generation of white people don't know what racism is like? Give me a break, some Asian countries are even more backward than the rest of the world in terms of elitism.
The people angry at the video are worried that this bad generalization of foreigners will affect how they are treated overseas, and for good reason.
On June 02 2012 12:16 getpicture wrote: It's definitely the first time caucasians felt racism directed at them. The video is clearly aimed at primarily at the white caucasian demographic and its obvious to see why. Do caucasians feel offended when asians get negatively portrayed in the media? Of course not. They don't even come to their defense. Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced. You obviously don't want someone to judge you with preconceived assumptions. Stereotypes are stereotypes. They exist for a reason. Prejudices exist for a reason too. Simply detach yourself from race and live happily in assimilation.
What these immoral men do to women in the videos, should have nothing to do with you and end of story. So don't be offended. If you still are it is still because you believe your ' insert race' doesn't do these things. Now that is a racist thought. Every man for themselves would be a lot closer to any hostility and world peace.
It's about foreigners and their effect on society. Could be any race from another culture.
The video is kind of funny and sad at the same time, but ofc the same principles will apply to western documentaries also.
I'm sure a few arsehole white guys do get korean chicks pregnant and give them STDs. But that's no reason to generalise all foreigners as sex fiends. I'm also sure a hell of a lot more Korean guys get korean chicks pregnant and give them STDs. This is just the low brow media trying to stir up some race hatred.
You absolutely have to understand that when you watch these videos, this is how they feel, regardless of who you are and what you think about it. You also have to put into perspective of what kind of people Koreans have to look at to base their judgments about foreigners. This is really important I believe. As the only people they will notice MOST will be the rash and abrasive ones, their memories will inevitably be of them. This includes most importantly the US forces stationed there.
With that out of the say, it's really sad to see foreigners react this way to some media in Korea. It's amusing to see everyone so repulsed by such "offensive" material instead of trying to understand WHY they are portrayed that way. It's such an external locus of control it's laughable. This portrayal exists for a reason, just as every other stereotype that exists. We are so fucking liberal aren't we, that we can't even take social commentary by Koreans FOR Koreans. smh
On June 02 2012 12:00 Celestia wrote: After seeing this video my thoughts are... DAMN FOREIGNERS, why are you trying to take advantage of innocent women? You bastards, go back to Mexico or wherever you came from.
If you ask me, there are too many Mexicans coming into Mexico and stealing hard-working Mexican jobs. Then again, I'm no Mexican. I'm the man that Mexico left behind.
Yeah, I know a victim but hes avoiding telling the truth =/.
On June 02 2012 12:34 Sadist wrote: so korean skeezers get fucked by random white guys in korea.
Big fucking deal. That kind of shit happens everywhere. Korea, get with the times.
I love how morons like this generalize entire country based upon one retarded tv documentary. Not to mention saying "shits like this happen in other countries, so shut up".
Nice going. Maybe the documentary has some truth behind it after all.
On June 02 2012 12:34 Sadist wrote: so korean skeezers get fucked by random white guys in korea.
Big fucking deal. That kind of shit happens everywhere. Korea, get with the times.
I love how morons like this generalize entire country based upon one retarded tv documentary. Not to mention saying "shits like this happen in other countries, so shut up".
Nice going. Maybe the documentary has some truth behind it after all.
Man people are so touchy about everything in here. It IS true. There are some foreigners who go for one night stands with Korean girls, and there are Korean girls who go for 1 night stands as an analog. To make a report on how Koreans should basically hide their poor, defenseless (as portrayed in the video) women is both silly and ignorant. Most of us aren't out to impregnate Korean women, you know.
On June 02 2012 13:20 Rhine wrote: Most of us aren't out to impregnate Korean women, you know.
Speak for yourself. I just wish they didn't make an insightful video series about it, now my goals of conquering Korea via mass repopulation have been ruined.
On June 02 2012 13:20 Rhine wrote: Most of us aren't out to impregnate Korean women, you know.
Speak for yourself. I just wish they didn't make an insightful video series about it, now my goals of conquering Korea via mass repopulation have been ruined.
Well, most of us. Good luck with your plans of world domination!
Hahaha wow, I never thought outrage over yellow fever would be so strong over in Asia. I mean, you get Asian guys over here who are pretty bitter about yellow fever between White Male/Asian Female couples but I didn't expect a PSA about this. Pretty hilarious
On a serious note, we all know plenty of white guys who have Asian fetishes. I went on a Japanese exchange trip and 2 or 3 of the guys' (out of roughly 15 males) main goal was to fuck Japanese girls. I know because they said so. It was pretty obvious too since they were in the lowest level Japanese courses and still didn't bother to do the homework.
Obviously though, that means around 12 or 13 of the males actually cared about learning Japanese. Of course theres gonna be a good amount of white people going over to Asia because of their Asian fetishes, but its sad to see such generalization being broadcast like that
On June 02 2012 12:42 EienShinwa wrote: You absolutely have to understand that when you watch these videos, this is how they feel, regardless of who you are and what you think about it. You also have to put into perspective of what kind of people Koreans have to look at to base their judgments about foreigners. This is really important I believe. As the only people they will notice MOST will be the rash and abrasive ones, their memories will inevitably be of them. This includes most importantly the US forces stationed there.
With that out of the say, it's really sad to see foreigners react this way to some media in Korea. It's amusing to see everyone so repulsed by such "offensive" material instead of trying to understand WHY they are portrayed that way. It's such an external locus of control it's laughable. This portrayal exists for a reason, just as every other stereotype that exists. We are so fucking liberal aren't we, that we can't even take social commentary by Koreans FOR Koreans. smh
And if you make judgments about entire groups of people based on your selective experiences with a few of them, that's called racism. And I don't know what thread you've been reading, but most people here ARE trying to understand why they are portrayed that way. That doesn't mean it's not racist.
On June 02 2012 12:28 MateShade wrote: Getpicture you are really offensive, quite honestly racist and not only that but you put words into everyone's mouths in this conversation and make massive generalizations. I suggest you leave the conversation im suprised no one has acted angrily towards you. You sound like an absolute hypocrite who seems really vengeful about white people. You honestly think that the current generation of white people don't know what racism is like? Give me a break, some Asian countries are even more backward than the rest of the world in terms of elitism.
The people angry at the video are worried that this bad generalization of foreigners will affect how they are treated overseas, and for good reason.
Asians are generally more respective and polite than you may know. Consider this from an asian pov. You are being culturally insensitive about their values and integrity. As an asian living in Australia I have personally seen guys who get aussie teen girls pregnant. Girls gone wild? Go deny it. Stuff like this almost never happens in asia. Crimes rates are lower in asia, and it is a much safer society. This is why the asian media is generally shocked at the rape/crime in western countries.
The OP is merely an exaggeration but does raise awareness. If foreigners are worried then they should get their act together and set a better example. Just like most asians living in western countries aim to study hard and have much higher level of ethics and morality. You are not here to judge and no one should be. Literally 90% of university enrolments are asian and reflect theirs expectations. Are asians guys overconfident in engaging girls in clubs? No. If anything it is well known that caucasians are generally more confident in engaging in relationships.
On June 02 2012 12:28 MateShade wrote: Getpicture you are really offensive, quite honestly racist and not only that but you put words into everyone's mouths in this conversation and make massive generalizations. I suggest you leave the conversation im suprised no one has acted angrily towards you. You sound like an absolute hypocrite who seems really vengeful about white people. You honestly think that the current generation of white people don't know what racism is like? Give me a break, some Asian countries are even more backward than the rest of the world in terms of elitism.
The people angry at the video are worried that this bad generalization of foreigners will affect how they are treated overseas, and for good reason.
Asians are generally more respective and polite than you may know. Consider this from an asian pov. You are being culturally insensitive about their values and integrity. As an asian living in Australia I have personally seen guys who get aussie teen girls pregnant. Girls gone wild? Go deny it. Stuff like this almost never happens in asia. Crimes rates are lower in asia, and it is a much safer society. This is why the asian media is generally shocked at the rape/crime in western countries.
The OP is merely an exaggeration but does raise awareness. If foreigners are worried then they should get their act together and set a better example. Just like most asians living in western countries aim to study hard and have much higher level of ethics and morality. You are not here to judge and no one should be. Literally 90% of university enrolments are asian and reflect theirs expectations. Are asians guys overconfident in engaging girls in clubs? No. If anything it is well known that caucasians are generally more confident in engaging in relationships.
Asia is a big place, filled with all kinds of people. Also, "literally 90% of university enrolments are asian" is undoubtedly untrue anywhere outside of Asia.
As a white Australian who has lived in both Korea and Japan, everything you just said is incorrect. Also you're assuming that I have no knowledge of Asia, chances are I have as much if not more than you. I'm not offended by the video personally but I am by you. The questions and generalizations and comparisons you have drawn to black/white relationship are stupidly ignorant.
its obviously an exaggeration, you get the idea, here in australia the top high schools and universities are filled with asians. same thing in america, Ivy league universities are filled with asians despite only representing a minute fraction of the population.
there are tons of documentaries on the harder working asians. if it weren't for the evenly racially distributedrequirements at universities in america, you'd have a staggering increase in asians.
@mateshade
as i said im asian, and you being culturally insensitive. It is a well known fact that asians are less promiscuous on average. It is not disputable and not an opinion of how I think asians choose to conduct themselves. Too bad these 'select' foreigners are giving you a hard time hooking up.
They're filled with Asians because international students pay more for fees and universities want money. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please stop trying to discuss this
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe." If the opposite case were true (a widespread trend of Asian male-white female couples and not the vice versa ), I guarantee you that some sensationalist reporting would be at the bottom of the list of things to worry about...
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
I did a little googling around on the claim that Koreans are angelic in comparison to westerners and found a funny article where a Korean newspaper's attempt to sensationalise foreigner crime backfired when they neglected to mention that the actual percentage of arrests per pop for foreigners vs korean nationals was less than half. This isn't just white foreigners, the highest foreign offenders were mongolians, by number of offences and percentage, apparently. Just makes you wonder how saintly the white foreigners have to be by comparison to keep the rate so low.
Not saying white people are angels, but it seems Koreans do in fact have ulterior motives for this kind of reporting, not based in reality.
Not really different from what we see in the US, just on a different scale. Things like this exist everywhere, just in different forms. This case just seems more extreme b/c it's a very public and overt form of racism derived by generalizing a small subset of the population.
America is really no better. The constant cultural racism against foreign males in many levels of society including hollywood, American middle/high school culture, immigration laws (Arizona), etc. America is just better at being more subtle about it b/c it makes them feel better about themselves and being overt about it wouldn't be the best course of action for a country touting equal rights. This doesn't apply everywhere in America but neither does it apply everywhere in Korea so some of you should get off your high horse really.
On June 02 2012 14:17 MateShade wrote: They're filled with Asians because international students pay more for fees and universities want money. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please stop trying to discuss this
You certainly cannot just pay your way for Ivy league universities. You need good test marks as well. Crappy universities take any money from any student. See where I'm going here? You have no ethics whatsoever. yes that's true, but it is undeniable that asians would want to attend universities. A lot of rich aussies I know don't want to go to university. They live of their families wealth. Poor or not, even the poor asian families would sacrifice a lot to send their kids to uni.
What do you know, none of my caucasian classmates wanted to do well in high school.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
It's a somewhat offensive video but I don't blame them too much.
Some of the stories make those guys seem like huge scumbags, I'm just not convinced that it's just "foreigners" doing that. Douchebags who will do anything to get in a woman's pants are everywhere, it's not really fair to pin it on "foreigners", although it's just human nature to blame your problems on others and it's not like every other country in the world doesn't do this in some form or another.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
Scientific evidence for the claim that you've made. Have you looked at any or do you just watch the news?
Okay calling bullshit on you. Sometimes, certain discussions shouldn't always boil down to "DO YOU HVAE ANY SCIENTIFGIC EVIDANCE". You can lay off of the Dawkins pipe for a sec here and come back to earth. Yes it is important to have evidence for what you believe, but all over asia traveling foreigners do sleep with the looser asian women pretty regularly. This is well known based on many anecdotes abroad from individuals and their personal experiences. Now to go as far as this documentary goes and say they are victims because they were going around being loose with a bunch of guys, well that's a bunch of bullshit and I agree that they portrayed it very propoganda'y. Lots of dramatic reality tv evil music, etc...
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
i'm just curious.... why does your account say you are from australia if you are from vietnam?
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
Scientific evidence for the claim that you've made. Have you looked at any or do you just watch the news?
Okay calling bullshit on you. Sometimes, certain discussions shouldn't always boil down to "DO YOU HVAE ANY SCIENTIFGIC EVIDANCE". You can lay off of the Dawkins pipe for a sec here and come back to earth. Yes it is important to have evidence for what you believe, but all over asia traveling foreigners do sleep with the looser asian women pretty regularly. This is well known based on many anecdotes abroad from individuals and their personal experiences. Now to go as far as this documentary goes and say they are victims because they were going around being loose with a bunch of guys, well that's a bunch of bullshit and I agree that they portrayed it very propoganda'y. Lots of dramatic reality tv evil music, etc...
Pretty easy to win arguments against banned users :p
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia).
Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting.
I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ...
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
Must not... make penis size joke Must not make... black man in Korea joke Must not make... hows it worst than USA TV joke Well, this topic is harder to take seriously but i will try, My most open minded non comical option is... let them fucking do it. Korea ,as you can obviously see if you ever watched korean related sc2 events, has a slightly different and kinda silly culture, that is most likely cuz they got from 3rd world to top 10 economy wise in such a short time, the public simply doesn't get civilized over night. Racism, sexism, maybe even religious discrimination can be a much bigger issue that they are in... say England, a country at a similar level of population and an economy that fares just a little bit better BUT has been in that kind of position for the last 600 years. The best thing to do is let it blow off, in most cases you can't change a 60 years old point of view.. but guess what, they will die in 10-20 years ! So really, instead of making a big deal of the issue, the rest of the world should be happy that most people there seem to be light minded/smart enough so that this isn't a problem at all in the next 20 to 50 years.
On June 02 2012 15:01 Aterons_toss wrote: Must not... make penis size joke Must not make... black man in Korea joke Must not make... hows it worst than USA TV joke Well, this topic is harder to take seriously but i will try, My most open minded non comical option is... let them fucking do it. Korea ,as you can obviously see if you ever watched korean related sc2 events, has a slightly different and kinda silly culture, that is most likely cuz they got from 3rd world to top 10 economy wise in such a short time, the public simply doesn't get civilized over night. Racism, sexism, maybe even religious discrimination can be a much bigger issue that they are in... say England, a country at a similar level of population and an economy that fares just a little bit better BUT has been in that kind of position for the last 600 years. The best thing to do is let it blow off, in most cases you can't change a 60 years old point of view.. but guess what, they will die in 10-20 years ! So really, instead of making a big deal of the issue, the rest of the world should be happy that most people there seem to be light minded/smart enough so that this isn't a problem at all in the next 20 to 50 years.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia).
Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting.
I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ...
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
A news report that seeks to put foreigners in a bad light. It honestly takes two to hug. I don't see any rape claims out there so unless there's something more to the story, the korean woman need to stop losing control to foreign men, for the sake of being foreign.
And @getpicture. Asia is a VERY big populous. Academically, people are generally of similar IQ, but asians TEND to work harder. Also, I'm not sure where you live but a lot of crime follow the asian population density.
Consider the low SES suburbs in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. You can rant on all you like about how well asians do in the high academic fields; sure, they're very successful but you're being very one dimensional with your argument.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
Hmmm let's see.
Excusing, rationalizing or justifying non-white prejudice and bigotry - check Blaming whites for prejudice and bigotry against them - check Emotional exaggeration of contemporary white racism - check Newspeak ("cultural colonialism") - check White / rich man's privilege - check (not one, not two, but three times!)
You're on fire with all the greatest hits of academic racial clichés.
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
You continue the hitting streak with racial stereotypes and fantasies about racial revanchism. An impressive display.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction.
On June 02 2012 14:24 hmmm... wrote: Not really different from what we see in the US, just on a different scale. Things like this exist everywhere, just in different forms. This case just seems more extreme b/c it's a very public and overt form of racism derived by generalizing a small subset of the population.
America is really no better. The constant cultural racism against foreign males in many levels of society including hollywood, American middle/high school culture, immigration laws (Arizona), etc. America is just better at being more subtle about it b/c it makes them feel better about themselves and being overt about it wouldn't be the best course of action for a country touting equal rights. This doesn't apply everywhere in America but neither does it apply everywhere in Korea so some of you should get off your high horse really.
Very interesting to see this after this bold comment.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population).
I wonder who's right? May you post the study?
I'm assuming that ExceeD_DreaM is acting according to standard Korean views of Chinese people at least, I'm very not surprised if the Chinese are considered rude and without morals to their neighbors, but it's interesting to see some numbers.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
Yes I agree. Both the video and the way some people have reacted have not been very thoughtful. I'm not personally insulted by the video, but it does present problems for foreigners trying to genuinely make a living in korea, and I can definitely understand that
On June 02 2012 15:06 etherealfall wrote: A news report that seeks to put foreigners in a bad light. It honestly takes two to hug. I don't see any rape claims out there so unless there's something more to the story, the korean woman need to stop losing control to foreign men, for the sake of being foreign.
And @getpicture. Asia is a VERY big populous. Academically, people are generally of similar IQ, but asians TEND to work harder. Also, I'm not sure where you live but a lot of crime follow the asian population density.
Consider the low SES suburbs in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. You can rant on all you like about how well asians do in the high academic fields; sure, they're very successful but you're being very one dimensional with your argument.
Oh, and I'm asian.
Agreed. If I had to place a blame on the phenomenon, it would lie more with Asian women than the white males. Realistically, any healthy male is generally not going to be passing up on advances from an attractive female of any race -- although there is also this whole fetishization thing going on -- and the girl is to blame if she chooses to "race-pick." I am also not going to deny that it is also something of human nature for females to behave in that kind of way; the females gravitate toward the perceived alpha male, and being culturally/economically dominated by the white males, the outcome is rather predictable.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
Hmmm let's see.
Excusing, rationalizing or justifying non-white prejudice and bigotry - check Blaming whites for prejudice and bigotry against them - check Emotional exaggeration of contemporary white racism - check Newspeak ("cultural colonialism") - check White / rich man's privilege - check (not one, not two, but three times!)
You're on fire with all the greatest hits of academic racial clichés.
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
You continue the hitting streak with racial stereotypes and fantasies about racial revanchism. An impressive display.
That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia).
Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting.
I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ...
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
It may be worth noting that that cultural/parental pressure to date an Asian is not unique to Asian sons; Asian daughters are frequently "encouraged" to date Asians, too.
The other (secondhand) anecdote I can offer on the subject is: I know a couple - Asian girl, Caucasian guy - travelling through South East Asia, who upon returning to their hotel at night, would have to talk to each other loudly in their broad Australian accents so as to dispel the perception that she was a local prostitute being taken up to the white guy's hotel room, and to stop them being harassed by pimps hanging outside.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction.
I never claimed that this was a productive way to cope with the situation (it clearly is not). It reeks more of frustration to me -- and I am merely asking people to sympathize a little on why their frustration/anger might arise. And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
I agree, what you're doing is no proper way to argue. Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period. It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display.
And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
No one has said it's an exclusively or characteristically Asian reaction.
Also, you're ignoring large and ugly parts of history (and again, promoting a racial stereotype) when you say that "historically other races have responded much more violently" to interracial relationships. No, they have not. They have also not responded less violently than Asians. This whole reference to "Asians" as a bloc any way is a ridiculous oversimplification. When it comes to prejudice, the Irish and Eastern or Southern Europeans can talk for quite a while about being looked down on by other whites, as Koreans and Chinese can talk about being looked down on by Japanese, Vietnamese about being looked down on by Chinese, Africans by Arabs, the list of prejudices goes on and on and defies simple distinctions.
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong.
Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone.
Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong.
Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone.
Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Didn't you just go ahead and generalize in the same manner that you said he was wrong for? =/
And I'm pretty sure that the "Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique" more or less applies to the majority of women, regardless of race. Sure seems to fit the stereotypical phenomenon of white girls preferring black men.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok.
As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece.
Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty?
Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle.
As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction.
I never claimed that this was a productive way to cope with the situation (it clearly is not). It reeks more of frustration to me -- and I am merely asking people to sympathize a little on why their frustration/anger might arise. And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
Fair enough. I get what you're saying: that it's a frustration reaction. It still doesn't make it right even if you can understand where it's coming from. It is basically scare mongering and demonizing.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia).
Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting.
I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ...
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
It may be worth noting that that cultural/parental pressure to date an Asian is not unique to Asian sons; Asian daughters are frequently "encouraged" to date Asians, too.
The other (secondhand) anecdote I can offer on the subject is: I know a couple - Asian girl, Caucasian guy - travelling through South East Asia, who upon returning to their hotel at night, would have to talk to each other loudly in their broad Australian accents so as to dispel the perception that she was a local prostitute being taken up to the white guy's hotel room, and to stop them being harassed by pimps hanging outside.
Yeah the first is a good point, though a lot of my Asian friends seem to be under the impression that they'll get rejected if they go for a white girl, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.
I've been to Thailand for a holiday once, some of the white Australians I met there are disgusting people. I can understand why korea would look at this and say wow looks whats happening here we dont want to get like this. But blaming It on the population pf foreigners is somply wrong. Those countries are the way they are due to the commercialisation and poverty along with corrupt goverments. They attract low lifes. Its up to korea to police and government the way their own country is run to attract the right type pf foreigners. Filiming a caucasian and an asian person getting cosy on the street and generalising is a really bad peice of media, and makes people point fingers at the foreigners instead of looking at themselves.
On June 02 2012 14:24 hmmm... wrote: Not really different from what we see in the US, just on a different scale. Things like this exist everywhere, just in different forms. This case just seems more extreme b/c it's a very public and overt form of racism derived by generalizing a small subset of the population.
America is really no better. The constant cultural racism against foreign males in many levels of society including hollywood, American middle/high school culture, immigration laws (Arizona), etc. America is just better at being more subtle about it b/c it makes them feel better about themselves and being overt about it wouldn't be the best course of action for a country touting equal rights. This doesn't apply everywhere in America but neither does it apply everywhere in Korea so some of you should get off your high horse really.
Very interesting to see this after this bold comment.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population).
I wonder who's right? May you post the study?
I'm assuming that ExceeD_DreaM is acting according to standard Korean views of Chinese people at least, I'm very not surprised if the Chinese are considered rude and without morals to their neighbors, but it's interesting to see some numbers.
On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote: It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort)
about the only sensible post in the whole thread.
Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
Of course it's not exclusive to any race/population group, but we aren't five... "He started it/Did it too!" doesn't work as an excuse.
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong.
Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone.
Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Okay, well, anecdote number three: I'm an Asian girl - Australian-born Chinese, technically. My ex-boyfriend from a relationship of two years was a Caucasian guy who was about three inches shorter than me. My current relationship is with a Eurasian guy who is four inches taller than me*. I suppose that makes me an exception to "fact".
If there's a reason that I, and all the girls in my extended family, have historically almost exclusively dated Caucasians, it's probably because we were all born in Australia and heavily steeped in Western culture as were growing up, so in fact I find that I have more in common culturally with white guys than I do with strict Asians.
*Hilariously, he made the comment the other day that his mother would probably be thrilled to find out that he had an Asian girlfriend.
EDIT: I say "all the girls in my extended family" because there's five of us and only two boys but now that I think about it, the two boys have demonstrated a predisposition towards Caucasian SOs, too.
That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
I agree, what you're doing is no proper way to argue. Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period. It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display.
It is never a good sign when you try to make a point by entirely speaking in negatives....But I will address your ..."complaints" just one time.
"Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. "
I attempted to point out the irony and ridiculousness of the presumably white males playing the "victim" and characterizing this phenomenon as something exclusively Asian due to the orientals being "xenophobic" and not "civilized" (quoting some posts directly here). My point was that history has shown that the white males are no better (in fact, they were much worse) in this regard and that no racial group (and certainly not the whites) can claim to be riding on the high horse here.
" Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period."
You aren't doing anything to actually refute the accuracy or relevancy of these stereotypes. In fact, it seems that you are relying solely on the unsavoriness of the terms like "racial stereotypes" in attempt to undermine my argument.
"It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display. "
Yours truly has done very well on standardized verbal tests, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
On June 02 2012 12:16 getpicture wrote: It's definitely the first time caucasians felt racism directed at them. The video is clearly aimed at primarily at the white caucasian demographic and its obvious to see why. Do caucasians feel offended when asians get negatively portrayed in the media? Of course not. They don't even come to their defense. Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced. You obviously don't want someone to judge you with preconceived assumptions. Stereotypes are stereotypes. They exist for a reason. Prejudices exist for a reason too. Simply detach yourself from race and live happily in assimilation.
What these immoral men do to women in the videos, should have nothing to do with you and end of story. So don't be offended. If you still are it is still because you believe your ' insert race' doesn't do these things. Now that is a racist thought. Every man for themselves would be a lot closer to any hostility and world peace.
You are incredibly annoying, presumptious, not to mention completley clueless.
You keep throwing out these statements explaining how other people feel and why they feel that way. No, for the record, I have never once in my life cared one iota about the race of any would be perpetrator on the news... just what the fuck would that have to do with me?
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong.
Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone.
Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Didn't you just go ahead and generalize in the same manner that you said he was wrong for? =/
And I'm pretty sure that the "Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique" more or less applies to the majority of women, regardless of race. Sure seems to fit the stereotypical phenomenon of white girls preferring black men.
It's what he's been doing this whole discussion.
I quite clearly said based on personal experience with my friends you are the only one here pulling bullshit out of no where. 'significantly small proportion of Asian girls like white guys'
Not to mention your entire argument up to this point has been completely racist and nonsensical. Remind me why you are still here?
On June 01 2012 17:40 Amlitzer wrote: I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Thanks for embarassing yourself and your country idiot.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
Banning a user because he's racist and presumptuous?
Also you have to remember, this isn't the general public, this is TL. You're allowed to have an opinion, but if someone who is running a forum thinks that your presence or opinion in the forum, lowers the quality of what they built to create then you're not welcome here?
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
OK, I didn't realize he was directly responding/talking about you. He was being stupidly presumptive then.
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do.
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
If I made your last two posts here, I'd be perma banned instantly.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do.
On the other hand "go kill yourself" is kind of harsh :/
although it is a racist video that has gone overboard but you can't deny that you feel threatened knowing that awareness has been raised and thus harder for you to fulfill your yellow fever dreams.
Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced.
I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive.
the question is why are you angry? because you believe it affects your ability to interact with asian women in the foreseeable future and you would vent your frustration on any forum /news report because you know you badly want to 'try out' asian women and mingle with them.
Yeah, this guy totally did not deserve his ban. /Sarcasm
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do.
On the other hand "go kill yourself" is kind of harsh :/
I'm gonna assume that even someone as dumb as him will not actually act upon such instructions.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
Upon reading the correspondence again, I agree that his posts are offensively presumptive. But again, "unnecessarily aggressive" better describes Jinro's latest posts than any of his did. Not sure why Jinro felt compelled to stoop to such lowness..
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
Upon reading the correspondence again, I agree that his posts are offensively presumptive. But again, "unnecessarily aggressive" better describes Jinro's latest posts than any of his did. Not sure why Jinro felt compelled to stoop to such lowness..
I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive.
Any other questions?
Seriously, if you dont see that as an insanely offensive statement by him, I don't know what else to say.
The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
Upon reading the correspondence again, I agree that his posts are offensively presumptive. But again, "unnecessarily aggressive" better describes Jinro's latest posts than any of his did. Not sure why Jinro felt compelled to stoop to such lowness..
yeah, he was being presumptive and dumb but you responded by telling him to kill himself (twice) -- even if, as you claim, the saying is only figurative, I think you definitely went out of line here. Banning someone for being an idiot is one thing but verbally debasing another human being -- idiot or not -- to such levels just does not speak well of your character.
On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote: Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west.
The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners.
Cultural difference? I barely see one.
Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in.
And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims".
Edit: no point in cursing
Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol
korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive.
you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
getpicture posted quite racist things throughout, though I don't know if he meant it that way. He didn't get banned because of "strong disagreeance." He got banned for making silly remarks to make his point.
On June 02 2012 16:11 phosphorylation wrote: yeah, he was being presumptive and dumb but you responded by telling him to kill himself -- even if, as you claim, the saying is only figurative, I think you definitely went out of line here. Banning someone for being an idiot is one thing but debasing another human being -- idiot or not -- to such levels just does not speak well of your character.
We clearly have very different world views then, because for me 'go kill yourself' barely registers as a blip on the 'offensive statements' scale. It's pretty much identical in severity to 'go fuck yourself' in my mind.
And, as far as I am concerned, after what he said it was more or less open season.
Honestly, what he said was highly offensive, here's a list of what he implied: - I hate korean men. - I'm only here to fuck korean girls. - "Rich cashed up kid" - I've earned every single cent of money I've used in my life, by myself. - Did not work hard to get where I am.
I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
On June 02 2012 16:05 white_horse wrote: The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater.
On June 01 2012 15:46 brachester wrote: It is somewhat a legitimate issues that not only happen in korea, but also in several Asian countries. The girls tend to prefer to have relationship with foreigners (for different purposes). As the guy in the video said, they tend to be quite rush in developing relationship with foreigners so it can lead to several issues such as HIV or scam which is the opposite with having relationship with Korean guys in which they have more time to figure whether the relationship is worth it. I don't think the purpose of the video is about bashing foreigners, but rather spreading awareness about a legitimate issue.
Do you have any evidence for your claims?
I live in vietnam, and it is a legit issues here. You can do some research about it if you want. I cbf looking it up.
So it's a legit issue because you watch the news or you've actually looked at some scientific evidence? Which one?
wtf? Scientific evidence for what? That's a freaking major issue that almost everyone is aware of in vietnam, though it's not as bad as it used to be since people are now more aware of it.
Scientific evidence for the claim that you've made. Have you looked at any or do you just watch the news?
Okay calling bullshit on you. Sometimes, certain discussions shouldn't always boil down to "DO YOU HVAE ANY SCIENTIFGIC EVIDANCE". You can lay off of the Dawkins pipe for a sec here and come back to earth. Yes it is important to have evidence for what you believe, but all over asia traveling foreigners do sleep with the looser asian women pretty regularly. This is well known based on many anecdotes abroad from individuals and their personal experiences. Now to go as far as this documentary goes and say they are victims because they were going around being loose with a bunch of guys, well that's a bunch of bullshit and I agree that they portrayed it very propoganda'y. Lots of dramatic reality tv evil music, etc...
Pretty easy to win arguments against banned users :p
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
As I said, we have completely different views on what is important then. Clearly I do not mean for him to actually go kill himself, while he clearly meant what he said.
I am extremely liberal with how I wield curses, maybe you are the type of person that is extremely careful with the same, in which case I can understand the disconnect of how we perceive the power behind said words.
EDIT: Also, I don't know where you get 'twice' from, as far as I can tell I told him to go kill himself once.
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
Also, there is a precedent for temp banning posters who tell others to "go kill themselves". Questionable behaviour does not justify questionable behaviour.
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
Can we all cool our jets here?
He was making personal attack against Jinro. Not just being presumptive and dumb. As a foreigner living in Korea, this video is close and personal for Jinro. I'm sure he's experienced this kind of situation on many occassions.
This is racism in the video. Sucks to be treated as such, but hey Jinro, think of it this way. You're one of the few white people priviledged enough to get the 'black' experience. And I'm not saying that Koreans in the video are being racist because white people "started it". All groups have racism and needs to deal with it (ie. get rid of it).
On June 02 2012 16:05 white_horse wrote: The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater.
He isn't "pinning" the "whole skin colour." He has merely spoken about his experiences about a specific group of people in Korea. There's much truth in what he says -- and neither I or presumably he is trying to say ALL expats are like that (of course not) -- but it's the unfortunate reality that a large number of expats in Korea behave in that kind of domineering way.
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
Also, there is a precedent for temp banning posters who tell others to "go kill themselves". Questionable behaviour does not justify questionable behaviour.
Isn't that a little bit similar to phosphorylation's initial argument? I kid I kid.
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive).
Can we all cool our jets here?
He was making personal attack against Jinro. Not just being presumptive and dumb. As a foreigner living in Korea, this video is close and personal for Jinro. I'm sure he's experienced this kind of situation on many occassions.
This is racism in the video. Sucks to be treated as such, but hey Jinro, think of it this way. You're one of the few white people priviledged enough to get the 'black' experience. And I'm not saying that Koreans in the video are being racist because white people "started it". All groups have racism and needs to deal with it (ie. get rid of it).
Actually, I've only ever had... hm, one maybe, maybe two racist experiences in Korea (and that's in 2 years... that's pretty damn good, pretty sure I would have had a similiar amount almost anywhere in the world where I can't speak the language properly/almost at all)
The video really doesn't apply to me at all, I don't go clubbing much and I'm 'picky' with what girls I like (I like being able to talk to someone - shocking I know, but that limits things quite a bit with how horrible I am at Korean still)... I was offended by his presumptions about me, nothing else really.
The video is stupid because well, the people who made it are completely braindead lol "We heard you were the victim of a foreigner".... Sounds like they are talking to someone who was carted away by a flying saucer.
Honestly I like Korea a lot, 99.99999999999% of Koreans I have met have been really nice and welcoming, so the implications he made were very much un-welcome.
On June 02 2012 16:05 white_horse wrote: The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater.
He isn't "pinning" the "whole skin colour." He has merely spoken about his experiences about a specific group of people in Korea. There's much truth in what he says -- and neither I or presumably he is trying to say ALL expats are like that (of course not) -- but it's the unfortunate reality that a large number of expats in Korea behave in that kind of domineering way.
Can we just conclude the discussion at:
- This DOES happen in korea - It is understandable why, from koreas perspective, that they dislike this
However,
- the video is a really bad generalisation of foreigners - particularly aimed at whites, and portrays them in a way that is really unfair to those trying to make a living in korea.
- It's wrong to say all white go to korea for this reason, and it's wrong to say that all koreans share this view.
That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
I agree, what you're doing is no proper way to argue. Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period. It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display.
It is never a good sign when you try to make a point by entirely speaking in negatives....But I will address your ..."complaints" just one time.
"Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. "
I attempted to point out the irony and ridiculousness of the presumably white males playing the "victim" and characterizing this phenomenon as something exclusively Asian due to the orientals being "xenophobic" and not "civilized" (quoting some posts directly here). My point was that history has shown that the white males are no better (in fact, they were much worse) in this regard and that no racial group (and certainly not the whites) can claim to be riding on the high horse here.
" Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period."
You aren't doing anything to actually refute the accuracy or relevancy of these stereotypes. In fact, it seems that you are relying solely on the unsavoriness of the terms like "racial stereotypes" in attempt to undermine my argument.
"It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display. "
Yours truly has done very well on standardized verbal tests, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
There is nothing ironic and ridiculous about people objecting to being stereotyped. People of the same skin color being racist in the past has nothing to do with them, what you're doing is saying collective racial guilt is okay not just for what others of your "race" are doing today, but also what others did tens or hundreds of years ago.
Again, no one has said this phenomenon is exclusively Asian, you're taking it a step past a straw argument to a straw argument advanced by nonexistent participants. You're the one putting one race on a high horse. Again, your historical claims are false and betray massive ignorance about the history of the relationships between 'Asians' and other 'races' and also the relationships between different Asian ethnic/national groups.
The accuracy or relevancy of your stereotypes? They're shit. They're archaic and inaccurate. You paint with the broadest of brushes and make excuses for prejudice based on it. You spent several posts explaining how it's understandable that some people would act this way and then you say oh well I'm not saying it's okay, except when I was minimizing and rationalizing it.
And finally, 'standardized verbal test' scores? I guess that racial victimology education you got from somewhere or other didn't have a class in how to be witty in rhetoric.
On June 02 2012 16:05 white_horse wrote: The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater.
He isn't "pinning" the "whole skin colour." He has merely spoken about his experiences about a specific group of people in Korea. There's much truth in what he says -- and neither I or presumably he is trying to say ALL expats are like that (of course not) -- but it's the unfortunate reality that a large number of expats in Korea behave in that kind of domineering way.
Can we just conclude the discussion at:
- This DOES happen in korea - It is understandable why, from koreas perspective, that they dislike this
However,
- the video is a really bad generalisation of foreigners - particularly aimed at whites, and portrays them in a way that is really unfair to those trying to make a living in korea.
- It's wrong to say all white go to korea for this reason, and it's wrong to say that all koreans share this view.
Also don't tell Jinro he hates koreans.
I completely agree with every single point except perhaps for your third one; I claim that the stereotype in question is not such an inaccurate generalization in that a disproportionately high number of expats tend to be these scumbag types.
But I wholeheartedly agree that despite the generalization being somewhat accurate, it can be extremely unfair and maddening to those trying to make a honest living in Korea (people like Jinro for example). I think it would be the fairest compromise to be aware of these generalizations (those that have some truth in them) but to also ensure to give each and every individual the benefit of the doubt until he conclusively falls under one of these stereotypes.
When such a homogenous society as Korea experiences somewhat rapid growth in cultural exchange and foreign visitors and permanent residents; these videos are inevitable.
Aside from being way too generalizing and pretty bad journalism, the message seems to be that there is virtue in the traditional way relationships between men and women were handled in Korea and that this new foreign influx has a lot of bad and dangerous side-effects.
I think that's what's interesting to discuss. Personally, I of course think it's up to people to decide for themselves and that there's nothing wrong with trying to fuck people for one night stands provided it's consensual. That of course means people have to take increased individual responsibility rather than relying on law or a well-defined structure of social rules this video seems to find desirable.
This thread reminds me of that awesome rekrul story about when he and grrrr (or elky, I forget) went to a restaurant and the waitresses tried to tell them 'no foreigners allowed'. They proceeded to brush right past those chicks, sit down in the middle of the restaurant, calmly order their food, demand to see the manager and then explain the whole situation while demanding free shit as a token of apology for this disrespect.
Thats how you deal with a bunch of closed minded, ignorant people talking smack, you face them directly when theyre there in front of you. You dont go whining and wringing your hands in public because 90% of people have to face worse.
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