EPTTerrible anti foreigner reporting from MBC - Page 22
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Jelleyicious
Australia16 Posts
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Any other questions? Seriously, if you dont see that as an insanely offensive statement by him, I don't know what else to say. I'm honestly surprised i was the only one replying to him for 3 pages | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:07 Jelleyicious wrote: I'm probably wrong/misinformed...but didn't MBC close down its broadcasting? MBC is a big company, they closed down their MBC Game channel, which is a tiny portion of them. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Rhine
187 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote: I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there. getpicture posted quite racist things throughout, though I don't know if he meant it that way. He didn't get banned because of "strong disagreeance." He got banned for making silly remarks to make his point. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:11 phosphorylation wrote: yeah, he was being presumptive and dumb but you responded by telling him to kill himself -- even if, as you claim, the saying is only figurative, I think you definitely went out of line here. Banning someone for being an idiot is one thing but debasing another human being -- idiot or not -- to such levels just does not speak well of your character. We clearly have very different world views then, because for me 'go kill yourself' barely registers as a blip on the 'offensive statements' scale. It's pretty much identical in severity to 'go fuck yourself' in my mind. And, as far as I am concerned, after what he said it was more or less open season. Honestly, what he said was highly offensive, here's a list of what he implied: - I hate korean men. - I'm only here to fuck korean girls. - "Rich cashed up kid" - I've earned every single cent of money I've used in my life, by myself. - Did not work hard to get where I am. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:05 white_horse wrote: The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once.. So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:53 Valentine wrote: Pretty easy to win arguments against banned users :p AWWW Darnit... So anti-climactic. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive). As I said, we have completely different views on what is important then. Clearly I do not mean for him to actually go kill himself, while he clearly meant what he said. I am extremely liberal with how I wield curses, maybe you are the type of person that is extremely careful with the same, in which case I can understand the disconnect of how we perceive the power behind said words. EDIT: Also, I don't know where you get 'twice' from, as far as I can tell I told him to go kill himself once. | ||
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khaydarin9
Australia423 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive). Also, there is a precedent for temp banning posters who tell others to "go kill themselves". Questionable behaviour does not justify questionable behaviour. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:16 phosphorylation wrote: I simply cannot fathom how telling somebody to kill himself -- in a seemingly non tongue-in-cheek way -- is LESS offensive than making some presumptions about someone's intentions for being in a country (I agree that this can also be quite offensive). Can we all cool our jets here? He was making personal attack against Jinro. Not just being presumptive and dumb. As a foreigner living in Korea, this video is close and personal for Jinro. I'm sure he's experienced this kind of situation on many occassions. This is racism in the video. Sucks to be treated as such, but hey Jinro, think of it this way. You're one of the few white people priviledged enough to get the 'black' experience. And I'm not saying that Koreans in the video are being racist because white people "started it". All groups have racism and needs to deal with it (ie. get rid of it). | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:17 Vorgrim wrote: So what you are saying is you are jealous of white guy swag? It's not fair pinning negative connotation on a whole skin colour for something like that. I think you will find there are meek and mild people of every colour and nationality. No reason to be a hater. He isn't "pinning" the "whole skin colour." He has merely spoken about his experiences about a specific group of people in Korea. There's much truth in what he says -- and neither I or presumably he is trying to say ALL expats are like that (of course not) -- but it's the unfortunate reality that a large number of expats in Korea behave in that kind of domineering way. | ||
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Rhine
187 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:21 khaydarin9 wrote: Also, there is a precedent for temp banning posters who tell others to "go kill themselves". Questionable behaviour does not justify questionable behaviour. Isn't that a little bit similar to phosphorylation's initial argument?  I kid I kid. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:21 plogamer wrote: Can we all cool our jets here? He was making personal attack against Jinro. Not just being presumptive and dumb. As a foreigner living in Korea, this video is close and personal for Jinro. I'm sure he's experienced this kind of situation on many occassions. This is racism in the video. Sucks to be treated as such, but hey Jinro, think of it this way. You're one of the few white people priviledged enough to get the 'black' experience. And I'm not saying that Koreans in the video are being racist because white people "started it". All groups have racism and needs to deal with it (ie. get rid of it). Actually, I've only ever had... hm, one maybe, maybe two racist experiences in Korea (and that's in 2 years... that's pretty damn good, pretty sure I would have had a similiar amount almost anywhere in the world where I can't speak the language properly/almost at all) The video really doesn't apply to me at all, I don't go clubbing much and I'm 'picky' with what girls I like (I like being able to talk to someone - shocking I know, but that limits things quite a bit with how horrible I am at Korean still)... I was offended by his presumptions about me, nothing else really. The video is stupid because well, the people who made it are completely braindead lol "We heard you were the victim of a foreigner".... Sounds like they are talking to someone who was carted away by a flying saucer. Honestly I like Korea a lot, 99.99999999999% of Koreans I have met have been really nice and welcoming, so the implications he made were very much un-welcome. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:22 phosphorylation wrote: He isn't "pinning" the "whole skin colour." He has merely spoken about his experiences about a specific group of people in Korea. There's much truth in what he says -- and neither I or presumably he is trying to say ALL expats are like that (of course not) -- but it's the unfortunate reality that a large number of expats in Korea behave in that kind of domineering way. Can we just conclude the discussion at: - This DOES happen in korea - It is understandable why, from koreas perspective, that they dislike this However, - the video is a really bad generalisation of foreigners - particularly aimed at whites, and portrays them in a way that is really unfair to those trying to make a living in korea. - It's wrong to say all white go to korea for this reason, and it's wrong to say that all koreans share this view. Also don't tell Jinro he hates koreans. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:42 phosphorylation wrote: It is never a good sign when you try to make a point by entirely speaking in negatives....But I will address your ..."complaints" just one time. "Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. " I attempted to point out the irony and ridiculousness of the presumably white males playing the "victim" and characterizing this phenomenon as something exclusively Asian due to the orientals being "xenophobic" and not "civilized" (quoting some posts directly here). My point was that history has shown that the white males are no better (in fact, they were much worse) in this regard and that no racial group (and certainly not the whites) can claim to be riding on the high horse here. " Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period." You aren't doing anything to actually refute the accuracy or relevancy of these stereotypes. In fact, it seems that you are relying solely on the unsavoriness of the terms like "racial stereotypes" in attempt to undermine my argument. "It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display. " Yours truly has done very well on standardized verbal tests, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here. There is nothing ironic and ridiculous about people objecting to being stereotyped. People of the same skin color being racist in the past has nothing to do with them, what you're doing is saying collective racial guilt is okay not just for what others of your "race" are doing today, but also what others did tens or hundreds of years ago. Again, no one has said this phenomenon is exclusively Asian, you're taking it a step past a straw argument to a straw argument advanced by nonexistent participants. You're the one putting one race on a high horse. Again, your historical claims are false and betray massive ignorance about the history of the relationships between 'Asians' and other 'races' and also the relationships between different Asian ethnic/national groups. The accuracy or relevancy of your stereotypes? They're shit. They're archaic and inaccurate. You paint with the broadest of brushes and make excuses for prejudice based on it. You spent several posts explaining how it's understandable that some people would act this way and then you say oh well I'm not saying it's okay, except when I was minimizing and rationalizing it. And finally, 'standardized verbal test' scores? I guess that racial victimology education you got from somewhere or other didn't have a class in how to be witty in rhetoric. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:29 MateShade wrote: Can we just conclude the discussion at: - This DOES happen in korea - It is understandable why, from koreas perspective, that they dislike this However, - the video is a really bad generalisation of foreigners - particularly aimed at whites, and portrays them in a way that is really unfair to those trying to make a living in korea. - It's wrong to say all white go to korea for this reason, and it's wrong to say that all koreans share this view. Also don't tell Jinro he hates koreans. I completely agree with every single point except perhaps for your third one; I claim that the stereotype in question is not such an inaccurate generalization in that a disproportionately high number of expats tend to be these scumbag types. But I wholeheartedly agree that despite the generalization being somewhat accurate, it can be extremely unfair and maddening to those trying to make a honest living in Korea (people like Jinro for example). I think it would be the fairest compromise to be aware of these generalizations (those that have some truth in them) but to also ensure to give each and every individual the benefit of the doubt until he conclusively falls under one of these stereotypes. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:39 Deadeight wrote: That's like a comedy VT for a program. Honestly the asian youtube comedians should jump on something like this and reverse it in a comical way | ||
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