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On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
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Must not... make penis size joke
Must not make... black man in Korea joke
Must not make... hows it worst than USA TV joke
Well, this topic is harder to take seriously but i will try,
My most open minded non comical option is... let them fucking do it. Korea ,as you can obviously see if you ever watched korean related sc2 events, has a slightly different and kinda silly culture, that is most likely cuz they got from 3rd world to top 10 economy wise in such a short time, the public simply doesn't get civilized over night. Racism, sexism, maybe even religious discrimination can be a much bigger issue that they are in... say England, a country at a similar level of population and an economy that fares just a little bit better BUT has been in that kind of position for the last 600 years.
The best thing to do is let it blow off, in most cases you can't change a 60 years old point of view.. but guess what, they will die in 10-20 years !
So really, instead of making a big deal of the issue, the rest of the world should be happy that most people there seem to be light minded/smart enough so that this isn't a problem at all in the next 20 to 50 years.
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On June 02 2012 15:01 Aterons_toss wrote:
Must not... make penis size joke
Must not make... black man in Korea joke
Must not make... hows it worst than USA TV joke
Well, this topic is harder to take seriously but i will try,
My most open minded non comical option is... let them fucking do it. Korea ,as you can obviously see if you ever watched korean related sc2 events, has a slightly different and kinda silly culture, that is most likely cuz they got from 3rd world to top 10 economy wise in such a short time, the public simply doesn't get civilized over night. Racism, sexism, maybe even religious discrimination can be a much bigger issue that they are in... say England, a country at a similar level of population and an economy that fares just a little bit better BUT has been in that kind of position for the last 600 years.
The best thing to do is let it blow off, in most cases you can't change a 60 years old point of view.. but guess what, they will die in 10-20 years !
So really, instead of making a big deal of the issue, the rest of the world should be happy that most people there seem to be light minded/smart enough so that this isn't a problem at all in the next 20 to 50 years.
Cultural colonialism at its best (or worst).
(or maybe just ignorance at its best)
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On June 02 2012 14:56 khaydarin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia). Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting. I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ...
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
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A news report that seeks to put foreigners in a bad light. It honestly takes two to hug. I don't see any rape claims out there so unless there's something more to the story, the korean woman need to stop losing control to foreign men, for the sake of being foreign.
And @getpicture. Asia is a VERY big populous. Academically, people are generally of similar IQ, but asians TEND to work harder. Also, I'm not sure where you live but a lot of crime follow the asian population density.
Consider the low SES suburbs in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. You can rant on all you like about how well asians do in the high academic fields; sure, they're very successful but you're being very one dimensional with your argument.
Oh, and I'm asian.
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On June 02 2012 14:56 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:37 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok. As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece. Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty? Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle. As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
Hmmm let's see.
Excusing, rationalizing or justifying non-white prejudice and bigotry - check
Blaming whites for prejudice and bigotry against them - check
Emotional exaggeration of contemporary white racism - check
Newspeak ("cultural colonialism") - check
White / rich man's privilege - check (not one, not two, but three times!)
You're on fire with all the greatest hits of academic racial clichés.
Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
You continue the hitting streak with racial stereotypes and fantasies about racial revanchism. An impressive display.
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On June 02 2012 14:56 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:37 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok. As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece. Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty? Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle. As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege.
My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction.
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On June 02 2012 14:24 hmmm... wrote:
Not really different from what we see in the US, just on a different scale. Things like this exist everywhere, just in different forms. This case just seems more extreme b/c it's a very public and overt form of racism derived by generalizing a small subset of the population.
America is really no better. The constant cultural racism against foreign males in many levels of society including hollywood, American middle/high school culture, immigration laws (Arizona), etc. America is just better at being more subtle about it b/c it makes them feel better about themselves and being overt about it wouldn't be the best course of action for a country touting equal rights. This doesn't apply everywhere in America but neither does it apply everywhere in Korea so some of you should get off your high horse really.
Very interesting to see this after this bold comment.
On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population).
I wonder who's right? May you post the study?
I'm assuming that ExceeD_DreaM is acting according to standard Korean views of Chinese people at least, I'm very not surprised if the Chinese are considered rude and without morals to their neighbors, but it's interesting to see some numbers.
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On June 02 2012 14:59 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
Yes I agree. Both the video and the way some people have reacted have not been very thoughtful. I'm not personally insulted by the video, but it does present problems for foreigners trying to genuinely make a living in korea, and I can definitely understand that
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On June 02 2012 15:06 etherealfall wrote:
A news report that seeks to put foreigners in a bad light. It honestly takes two to hug. I don't see any rape claims out there so unless there's something more to the story, the korean woman need to stop losing control to foreign men, for the sake of being foreign.
And @getpicture. Asia is a VERY big populous. Academically, people are generally of similar IQ, but asians TEND to work harder. Also, I'm not sure where you live but a lot of crime follow the asian population density.
Consider the low SES suburbs in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. You can rant on all you like about how well asians do in the high academic fields; sure, they're very successful but you're being very one dimensional with your argument.
Oh, and I'm asian.
Agreed. If I had to place a blame on the phenomenon, it would lie more with Asian women than the white males. Realistically, any healthy male is generally not going to be passing up on advances from an attractive female of any race -- although there is also this whole fetishization thing going on -- and the girl is to blame if she chooses to "race-pick." I am also not going to deny that it is also something of human nature for females to behave in that kind of way; the females gravitate toward the perceived alpha male, and being culturally/economically dominated by the white males, the outcome is rather predictable.
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On June 02 2012 15:07 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:56 phosphorylation wrote:On June 02 2012 14:37 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok. As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece. Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty? Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle. As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege. Hmmm let's see. Excusing, rationalizing or justifying non-white prejudice and bigotry - check Blaming whites for prejudice and bigotry against them - check Emotional exaggeration of contemporary white racism - check Newspeak ("cultural colonialism") - check White / rich man's privilege - check (not one, not two, but three times!) You're on fire with all the greatest hits of academic racial clichés. Show nested quote +Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that.... You continue the hitting streak with racial stereotypes and fantasies about racial revanchism. An impressive display.
That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
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On June 02 2012 15:05 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:56 khaydarin9 wrote:On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia). Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting. I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ... Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls. Oftentimes it is a combination Edit: typo
It may be worth noting that that cultural/parental pressure to date an Asian is not unique to Asian sons; Asian daughters are frequently "encouraged" to date Asians, too.
The other (secondhand) anecdote I can offer on the subject is: I know a couple - Asian girl, Caucasian guy - travelling through South East Asia, who upon returning to their hotel at night, would have to talk to each other loudly in their broad Australian accents so as to dispel the perception that she was a local prostitute being taken up to the white guy's hotel room, and to stop them being harassed by pimps hanging outside.
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On June 02 2012 15:07 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:56 phosphorylation wrote:On June 02 2012 14:37 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok. As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece. Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty? Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle. As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege. My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction.
I never claimed that this was a productive way to cope with the situation (it clearly is not). It reeks more of frustration to me -- and I am merely asking people to sympathize a little on why their frustration/anger might arise. And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
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That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument.
I agree, what you're doing is no proper way to argue. Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period. It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display.
And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
No one has said it's an exclusively or characteristically Asian reaction.
Also, you're ignoring large and ugly parts of history (and again, promoting a racial stereotype) when you say that "historically other races have responded much more violently" to interracial relationships. No, they have not. They have also not responded less violently than Asians. This whole reference to "Asians" as a bloc any way is a ridiculous oversimplification. When it comes to prejudice, the Irish and Eastern or Southern Europeans can talk for quite a while about being looked down on by other whites, as Koreans and Chinese can talk about being looked down on by Japanese, Vietnamese about being looked down on by Chinese, Africans by Arabs, the list of prejudices goes on and on and defies simple distinctions.
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Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade
Once again you are wrong.
Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone.
Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
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On June 02 2012 15:21 getpicture wrote:Show nested quote +
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong. Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone. Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Didn't you just go ahead and generalize in the same manner that you said he was wrong for? =/
And I'm pretty sure that the "Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique" more or less applies to the majority of women, regardless of race. Sure seems to fit the stereotypical phenomenon of white girls preferring black men.
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On June 02 2012 15:18 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:07 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:56 phosphorylation wrote:On June 02 2012 14:37 Rhine wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) Lol hypocritical and myopic. So people can only discuss videos if we consider the entire history of interactions between countries. Just because shitty things happened in the past doesn't mean that shitty things happening now are ok. As for getpicture you have some good points but just...stop with the unneeded jabs and sense of superiority. Test scores and attendance comparisons between one country and another is not sufficient to generalize in such broad strokes. Not to mention that it falls outside the scope of the conversation regarding the reporting piece. Shitty things happening? You must live a padded lifestyle if you think hearing some bad press about expats is a shitty thing. You know what's actually shitty? Being shafted in real life because of your ethnicity -- and I am referring to more important and encompassing things than just "our women getting stolen." And if you don't think this subtle yet suffocating racism exists in countries like America, then once again you are too comfortable in your privileged lifestyle. As I see it, this report is only a small, pitiful (and I mean that in many senses) cry against the cultural colonialism that has such far-reaching implications that it even encompasses "our women women getting stolen." Of course, it's xenophobic, but you would be too if you were constantly being short-changed. Heck, I would gladly trade some bad press for the white men's privilege. My lifestyle has not been padded, so we're safe there. Of course I know that racism is a big issue throughout the world. I am aware of a lot of history of colonialism. And so because of that, it's ok to fight back by basically making shit up and demonizing? I am not saying it's "as bad" as things that happened in the past, but if you think this is a good way to fight back, then I don't know what to tell you. Why don't we join forces in admonishing all behavior that have been and are counter-cultural, racist, and ignorant. Fighting cultural colonialism with "our women are getting preyed upon! guard your children from the foreigner!" seems a pretty myopic and hypocritical reaction. I never claimed that this was a productive way to cope with the situation (it clearly is not). It reeks more of frustration to me -- and I am merely asking people to sympathize a little on why their frustration/anger might arise. And also that it's ignorant to label this kind of reaction as being exclusively Asian when, in fact, historically other races have responded much more violently to such situation.
Fair enough. I get what you're saying: that it's a frustration reaction. It still doesn't make it right even if you can understand where it's coming from. It is basically scare mongering and demonizing.
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No, your stereotype about Asians is wrong.
My stereotype about Asians is right.
The fuck is going on in this shit of a thread?
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On June 02 2012 15:16 khaydarin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:05 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:56 khaydarin9 wrote:On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair That's a particularly pertinent comment to make as an Australian (or at least, someone with their TL location tag set to Australia). Actually, reading comments from Australian posters on this topic has been particularly interesting. I have noticed, empirically, that here in Australia, it is vastly more common to see white guys with "Asian" girls than it is to see Asian guys with Caucasian girls. I have casual theories as to why, but without academic evidence, not sure it would be worth posting here ... Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls. Oftentimes it is a combination Edit: typo It may be worth noting that that cultural/parental pressure to date an Asian is not unique to Asian sons; Asian daughters are frequently "encouraged" to date Asians, too. The other (secondhand) anecdote I can offer on the subject is: I know a couple - Asian girl, Caucasian guy - travelling through South East Asia, who upon returning to their hotel at night, would have to talk to each other loudly in their broad Australian accents so as to dispel the perception that she was a local prostitute being taken up to the white guy's hotel room, and to stop them being harassed by pimps hanging outside.
Yeah the first is a good point, though a lot of my Asian friends seem to be under the impression that they'll get rejected if they go for a white girl, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.
I've been to Thailand for a holiday once, some of the white Australians I met there are disgusting people. I can understand why korea would look at this and say wow looks whats happening here we dont want to get like this. But blaming
It on the population pf foreigners is somply wrong. Those countries are the way they are due to the commercialisation and poverty along with corrupt goverments. They attract low lifes. Its up to korea to police and government the way their own country is run to attract the right type pf foreigners. Filiming a caucasian and an asian person getting cosy on the street and generalising is a really bad peice of media, and makes people point fingers at the foreigners instead of looking at themselves.
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On June 02 2012 15:10 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:24 hmmm... wrote:
Not really different from what we see in the US, just on a different scale. Things like this exist everywhere, just in different forms. This case just seems more extreme b/c it's a very public and overt form of racism derived by generalizing a small subset of the population.
America is really no better. The constant cultural racism against foreign males in many levels of society including hollywood, American middle/high school culture, immigration laws (Arizona), etc. America is just better at being more subtle about it b/c it makes them feel better about themselves and being overt about it wouldn't be the best course of action for a country touting equal rights. This doesn't apply everywhere in America but neither does it apply everywhere in Korea so some of you should get off your high horse really. Very interesting to see this after this bold comment. Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 01:38 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:I honestly think this stereotype on foreigners is wrong (apart from the Chinese in Korea, too many crimes and problems to consider it only a portion of their population). I wonder who's right? May you post the study? I'm assuming that ExceeD_DreaM is acting according to standard Korean views of Chinese people at least, I'm very not surprised if the Chinese are considered rude and without morals to their neighbors, but it's interesting to see some numbers.
I too, would like to see this study.
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