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On June 02 2012 14:59 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 14:42 MateShade wrote:On June 02 2012 14:31 Detri wrote:On June 02 2012 14:19 phosphorylation wrote:
It's kinda funny to read some of the reactions here. Before demonizing these "hopelessly xenophobic" Koreans, do me a favor and look up what the white males back in early 1900s did to the Asian males due to perceived threat to the white women (and this fear really had very little basis in reality since interracial marriage/dating was extremely rare back then) -- and trust me, some "terrible" reporting is absolutely trivial compared to murders, lynching etc that was committed.
It is in human -- specifically male -- nature to be greatly incensed when they perceive that their women are being "stolen" by another "tribe."
(Btw, I won't deny that Korea's journalism is terrible including this particular piece, but the video elicited such hypocritical, myopic responses that I felt compelled to retort) about the only sensible post in the whole thread. Not really, while the end point is correct, calling people hypocrits because of something that happened before they were born is just unfair Fair enough. The term "hypocritical" may not have been appropriate. But my overall point stands -- if you think it's an exclusively Asian thing to feel so protective about their women, then you are gravely mistaken. Personally, I (and you) should consider it lucky that Asians are so reserved that they only retaliate with some bad reporting -- but being reserved has indirectly led to them constantly pulling the short end of the stick throughout history so maybe they should seek to change that....
Of course it's not exclusive to any race/population group, but we aren't five... "He started it/Did it too!" doesn't work as an excuse.
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On June 02 2012 15:21 getpicture wrote:Show nested quote +
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong. Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone. Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family.
Okay, well, anecdote number three: I'm an Asian girl - Australian-born Chinese, technically. My ex-boyfriend from a relationship of two years was a Caucasian guy who was about three inches shorter than me. My current relationship is with a Eurasian guy who is four inches taller than me*. I suppose that makes me an exception to "fact".
If there's a reason that I, and all the girls in my extended family, have historically almost exclusively dated Caucasians, it's probably because we were all born in Australia and heavily steeped in Western culture as were growing up, so in fact I find that I have more in common culturally with white guys than I do with strict Asians.
*Hilariously, he made the comment the other day that his mother would probably be thrilled to find out that he had an Asian girlfriend.
EDIT: I say "all the girls in my extended family" because there's five of us and only two boys but now that I think about it, the two boys have demonstrated a predisposition towards Caucasian SOs, too.
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On June 02 2012 15:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +That's no way to properly argue. Pointing out that terms/ideas I employ are hackneyed does nothing to actually refute the argument. I agree, what you're doing is no proper way to argue. Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period. It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display.
It is never a good sign when you try to make a point by entirely speaking in negatives....But I will address your ..."complaints" just one time.
"Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior - most of it occurring generations ago when no one posting in this thread was alive. "
I attempted to point out the irony and ridiculousness of the presumably white males playing the "victim" and characterizing this phenomenon as something exclusively Asian due to the orientals being "xenophobic" and not "civilized" (quoting some posts directly here). My point was that history has shown that the white males are no better (in fact, they were much worse) in this regard and that no racial group (and certainly not the whites) can claim to be riding on the high horse here.
" Employing racial stereotypes about the reserved Asian and the domineering white is no way to argue. Neither is fantasizing about the shoe of racial supremacy or oppression being on the other foot - it shouldn't be in existence period."
You aren't doing anything to actually refute the accuracy or relevancy of these stereotypes. In fact, it seems that you are relying solely on the unsavoriness of the terms like "racial stereotypes" in attempt to undermine my argument.
"It's the intolerance, dare it be said the racism, of fashionable Western academic 'anti-racism' ideology on display. "
Yours truly has done very well on standardized verbal tests, but I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 12:16 getpicture wrote:
It's definitely the first time caucasians felt racism directed at them. The video is clearly aimed at primarily at the white caucasian demographic and its obvious to see why. Do caucasians feel offended when asians get negatively portrayed in the media? Of course not. They don't even come to their defense. Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced. You obviously don't want someone to judge you with preconceived assumptions. Stereotypes are stereotypes. They exist for a reason. Prejudices exist for a reason too. Simply detach yourself from race and live happily in assimilation.
What these immoral men do to women in the videos, should have nothing to do with you and end of story. So don't be offended. If you still are it is still because you believe your ' insert race' doesn't do these things. Now that is a racist thought. Every man for themselves would be a lot closer to any hostility and world peace.
You are incredibly annoying, presumptious, not to mention completley clueless.
You keep throwing out these statements explaining how other people feel and why they feel that way. No, for the record, I have never once in my life cared one iota about the race of any would be perpetrator on the news... just what the fuck would that have to do with me?
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On June 02 2012 11:52 getpicture wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:44 kyllinghest wrote:On June 02 2012 09:37 TehPrime wrote:On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote:
Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west. The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners. Cultural difference? I barely see one. Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in. And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims". Edit: no point in cursing Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive. you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so.
Hahahahah
OKay you are banned, good bye.
Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
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On June 02 2012 15:28 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:21 getpicture wrote:
Yes you are correct, it is 20fold more common. From personal experience (I have a lot of Asian friends) Asian Australians like white girls, but they are either a) under pressure from their parents to date an Asian or b) lack the confidence to talk to white girls.
Oftentimes it is a combination
Edit: typo
@mateshade Once again you are wrong. Why do you generalise that asian australians like white girls? An extremely small and insignificant probably do and at that point race would have nothing to do with it. white male and asian female couples are statistically significant and there are numerous reasons as to why. you can google the so many reasons yourselves, but don't speak for others as others in that relationship will have their reasons as to why so don't go around offending anyone. Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique and this is not an opinion but fact. Interview all these couples and you will find height to be a big determinant. There are tons of academic studies on this and height was always the significant factor. Not only that they prefer a westernised breadwinner who has the confidence who is chivalrous instead of a stereotyped patriarchal male dominated family. Didn't you just go ahead and generalize in the same manner that you said he was wrong for? =/ And I'm pretty sure that the "Asian girls prefer taller guys with better physique" more or less applies to the majority of women, regardless of race. Sure seems to fit the stereotypical phenomenon of white girls preferring black men.
It's what he's been doing this whole discussion.
I quite clearly said based on personal experience with my friends you are the only one here pulling bullshit out of no where. 'significantly small proportion of Asian girls like white guys'
Not to mention your entire argument up to this point has been completely racist and nonsensical. Remind me why you are still here?
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On June 01 2012 17:40 Amlitzer wrote:
I don't really care if Koreans dislike other foreigners, but they have absolutely no right to dislike Americans when dumped so much money into their country. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Thanks for embarassing yourself and your country idiot.
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On June 02 2012 15:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 11:52 getpicture wrote:On June 02 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:44 kyllinghest wrote:On June 02 2012 09:37 TehPrime wrote:On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote:
Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west. The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners. Cultural difference? I barely see one. Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in. And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims". Edit: no point in cursing Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive. you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so. Hahahahah OKay you are banned, good bye. Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___-
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his.
He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
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On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there.
Banning a user because he's racist and presumptuous?
Also you have to remember, this isn't the general public, this is TL. You're allowed to have an opinion, but if someone who is running a forum thinks that your presence or opinion in the forum, lowers the quality of what they built to create then you're not welcome here?
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On June 02 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there. ..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his. He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
OK, I didn't realize he was directly responding/talking about you. He was being stupidly presumptive then.
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On June 02 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there. ..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his. He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do.
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"Private forum" covers all bases for the question you just asked.
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On June 02 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there. ..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his. He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings.
If I made your last two posts here, I'd be perma banned instantly.
Just sayin....
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On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 11:52 getpicture wrote:On June 02 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:44 kyllinghest wrote:On June 02 2012 09:37 TehPrime wrote:On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote:
Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west. The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners. Cultural difference? I barely see one. Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in. And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims". Edit: no point in cursing Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive. you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so. Hahahahah OKay you are banned, good bye. Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___- I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there.
except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
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On June 02 2012 15:56 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there. ..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his. He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings. Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do.
On the other hand "go kill yourself" is kind of harsh :/
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Sweden33719 Posts
although it is a racist video that has gone overboard but you can't deny that you feel threatened knowing that awareness has been raised and thus harder for you to fulfill your yellow fever dreams.
Everytime a crime is reported on news, white guys are hoping its not a white guy but any other race. Non whites in the news are always suppressed and oppressed. If you feel offended, it is because you want to identify yourself as belonging to a group that is potentially prejudiced.
I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive.
the question is why are you angry? because you believe it affects your ability to interact with asian women in the foreseeable future and you would vent your frustration on any forum /news report because you know you badly want to 'try out' asian women and mingle with them.
Yeah, this guy totally did not deserve his ban. /Sarcasm
On June 02 2012 15:59 khaydarin9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:56 Talack wrote:On June 02 2012 15:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:
I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. Definitely lost a lot of respect there. ..... He just told me I hate Koreans and am here to fuck Korean girls pretty much, he's lucky he just got banned, if he said that to my face I would re-decorate his. He's also a complete idiot with about 15 previous bans and warnings. Jinro showing once again the mods see more than the forum-goers do. On the other hand "go kill yourself" is kind of harsh :/
I'm gonna assume that even someone as dumb as him will not actually act upon such instructions.
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On June 02 2012 15:58 tuestresfat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:On June 02 2012 15:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 11:52 getpicture wrote:On June 02 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:44 kyllinghest wrote:On June 02 2012 09:37 TehPrime wrote:On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote:
Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west. The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners. Cultural difference? I barely see one. Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in. And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims". Edit: no point in cursing Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive. you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so. Hahahahah OKay you are banned, good bye. Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___- I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there. except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments?
Upon reading the correspondence again, I agree that his posts are offensively presumptive. But again, "unnecessarily aggressive" better describes Jinro's latest posts than any of his did. Not sure why Jinro felt compelled to stoop to such lowness..
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:58 tuestresfat wrote:On June 02 2012 15:50 phosphorylation wrote:On June 02 2012 15:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 11:52 getpicture wrote:On June 02 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 02 2012 09:44 kyllinghest wrote:On June 02 2012 09:37 TehPrime wrote:On June 02 2012 09:35 kyllinghest wrote:
Interesting video, shows how big of a cultural difference there is between South-Korea and the west. The west makes fear mongering videos about Muslims, Asia makes fear mongering videos about foreigners. Cultural difference? I barely see one. Do you not see that they have differend values? Im not implying they are better or worse, but that clip gives an insight to a society that values innocence and purity more than the one most of us westerns live in. And this has nothing to do with "fear mongering videos about muslims". Edit: no point in cursing Outwardly, sure. Korea is not innocent tho lol korea not innocent? such arrogance, it has nothing to do with innocence or not. stereotyping the whole of 'korea' is downright arrogant and naive. you have no idea of how asian men on average want to work hard as in have a career and money/stability etc before getting hitched up. basically the asian pov is that westerners don't care about that and just want one night stands. asians in general disapprove of one night stands(of course there are outliers and exceptions). I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive. This is why foreigners in general are looked down upon- rich cashed up kids who travel for sex and simply don't work hard before doing so. Hahahahah OKay you are banned, good bye. Yes, I hate Korean men, that's why two of my roommates are Korean, that makes perfect sense - go kill yourself -___- I think that's an extremely bad way to moderate a forum -- banning a user simply because you strongly disagree with his points -- and he clearly was not trying to troll or be incendiary. I really don't think your post is any more mature than his are. Definitely lost my respect there. except his points were unfounded and unncessarily aggressive. did you not read the 10 commandments? Upon reading the correspondence again, I agree that his posts are offensively presumptive. But again, "unnecessarily aggressive" better describes Jinro's latest posts than any of his did. Not sure why Jinro felt compelled to stoop to such lowness..
I can tell you kinda hate korean men but you find the hottie ones there attractive.
Any other questions?
Seriously, if you dont see that as an insanely offensive statement by him, I don't know what else to say.
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The video is just a reflection of a cultural backlash regarding white foreigners in korea. Koreans have a very community/societal, ethnic unity mindset that is different from american/european culture...which is why people from both east and west cultures write stupid shit (like in this thread) because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
I think westerners should try to see this from a korean's view, especially if they have come to korea. I find it really annoying when I meet white male foreigners here or white male foreign exchange students that come here and flaunt themselves like they are so cool to be in this exotic place. As if they are the masculine, domineering hotshot that owns the place that is filled with slender and short asians. It's like "uh what?" when you see them. These kind of people really leave you feeling revolted and I'm sure a lot of koreans feel the same - because you get this feeling that those kind of people are not very respectful of you and your culture. So to just pin the blame on koreans for being conservative or ignorant or whatever, try to look from their shoes for once..
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