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I think there was a similar topic in 2010 with the exact same points.
I lose 5 placements on purpose and rape everyone in bronze. It's not my main account so I don't care that people see that I'm in bronze league.
Good solution?
edit: now that we know unranked matchmaking will come eventually, there's also a lot less need for this anyway.
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On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote: When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have.
The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way.
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On May 13 2012 19:09 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote: When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have. The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way.
Well you wouldnt, because if you are master with one, you arent that far off off being masters with the rest.
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On May 13 2012 16:58 corpuscle wrote: Yeah, your idea totally stops me from making new accounts and tanking my placements just so I can fuck with people in bronze league.
If you played WoW, you'd know that people who are much farther advanced in the game (ie higher level) fucking love to run around fucking with people who are low level. It's a large part of why a lot of people play PvE servers; they want to avoid getting ganked by people they have no chance of beating in a fight. If I played (as a Diamond) in Bronze, it would be the equivalent of a level 60 running around Hillsbrad killing poor level 20's.
It's not even relevant. If you chose a PvP server in WoW you basically agreed to face those consequences. If you didn't want to PvP at all, you went to a PvE server. I faced a few max level players while leveling up too. I didn't give a crap nor did i throw a fit over it. Besides, it's not like you even knew their level when you died. It's pretty much the same when a smurf kills you; you won't really know their league.
Simply could not care less.
On May 13 2012 17:17 Alvin853 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote: What OP really wants: A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it. So you off-race 3 games, your MMR goes down, you go back to your main race, play 3 games and your MMR is back where it was before, what's the problem? And Blizzard is already adding unranked matchmaking. Also your opponents don't care, they're not going to remember your name forever after they crushed you just because you were trying something new, unless you're one of the top pros, in which case return to my original statement.
Irrelevant? What's the problem with simply wanting to be able to off-race with a separate MMR without paying $60 for it? What in the world will be destroyed in SC2 should people be able to play at multiple MMR's other than Blizzard's profit margin? There is no reason to oppose this unless you've got stocks in Blizzard.
On May 13 2012 18:16 Tyree wrote: Your idea benefits a very small minority of players, while at the same time throws the entire ladder out the window, making matchmaking pointless because of various smurfs, life a living hell for new players etc.
Its just a bad idea overall, Warcraft 3 suffered because good players made smurfs daily and simply beat on new players, its why the game grew stagnant and the community was closed off.
Do you know how many platinum-diamond players would smurf just to beat on complete newbies on a daily basis?
The game is already very intimidating to new players, its why they are hiding their losses and trying to get new people into it. And i know what you are going to say : "They should just suck it up and practice" but that is a piss poor argument because no company in entire world is going to tell their customers to simply "suck it up noob!" it just does not work that way. Joey Walmart is not going to get beat up 1on1 by smurfs then go "well..i better practice and visit me some Teamliquid, read some strats, watch some replays, practice some more and then finally enjoy myself". It just does not work that way irl, Joey Walmart is going to stop playing and not buying the expansions.
Again the benefit of your idea is miniscule, its there to appease players who are too obsessed with their ranks while the negative of it is massive, pretty much ground breaking.
I don't think accounts should be made freely, but if you really think smurfing is an issue at all, then you're basically acknowledging that smurfing and trolling bronze players is fine, as long as you payed money for it.
edit: and just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean it's a miniscule minority. I assure you: If there was an option to offrace without playing on your main account, everyone would use it.
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It's only a money issue. Smurfing won't be bad at all. I remember playing war3 and making a smurf. When my ladder stats were 50-2 I had only met 3 people that smurfed aswell so the smurfing will be minimal!
Another reason for having multiple accs: If I loose 30 games in a row on purpose to get my mmr down to my offrace, then play 5 offrace games and start playing my main again, then I will be bashing people the next 30 games. That's just like smurfing except now it takes 30 games and not 10 to get my mmr to a reasonable place and now I give out 30 free wins.
Besides I know people who don't want to start playing again because it's embarrassing they are so out of shape and want to start new smurfs but can't.
I really like the changes coming with hots, now we just need to have multiple accs.
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WoW has a monthly sub. SC2 doesnt. That should also be considered.
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since i generally dont like smurfs at all and see it would be exactly like sc1 (every make new acc play 20-1 first lose new acc noobbashing 4tw etc) i am against anything that allow multiple accs. if you are as high that you NEED another acc for train, then you can pay it from your pricemoney or let your team buy one for the whole teametc whats easy possible
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Can someone tell me how unranked matchmaking will keep me from getting completely stomped when I play a game off-race?
Once again: I don't care about rating and MMR. I care about playing even games where my opponent is at an equal level.
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1. you play 5 placement matches and if you are not new you are not gonna end up in bronze I completely disagree because people can purposely lose their 5 matches to be in bronze.
Other than that, I agree.
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When we login, we get to choose our 'character', the only one. :S
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On May 13 2012 19:11 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 19:09 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote: When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have. The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way. Well you wouldnt, because if you are master with one, you arent that far off off being masters with the rest. the only problem with this post is it isn't true
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Dont agree with unlimited accounts though i agree with should get more then 1 without having to pay 50 extra for every single one, 2 extra accounts would be nice. Wont even mind to pay say 10 for it but 50 for one just feels a bit much after having bought the complete game for 50 already.
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It seems like a way to remove internet anonymity, I think it was back in beta when bnet tried to make everyone use their real names as ID's.
WEB3.0 killing internet anonymity.
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On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote: What OP really wants: A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it.
Custom games?
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I think MMR for different race options should suffice, also just to add on that point, you should only need 3 MMRs, random doesnt count and should be considered as either your best/worst/average of the 3 or something like that...
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I've no idea how many threads were created and closed talking about the two topics you brought up. If you really wanna offrace so badly, just do it with your current account. If you're so fearful of losing in the imaginary ladder competition, then HotS has unranked ladder. As someone previously mentioned, unless you're master in one race and bronze in the other, it takes only a few matches for your mmr to switch.
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Well I bought 2 accounts, one for fucking around in/offracing and the other for slightly more serious play. Only cost me like £70/$110 altogether for both accounts and it was money well spent, then again I'm not particularly a tight person who worries about minor purchases. Making multiple accounts at ease will just make ladder a more dysfunctional system and lots of smurfs with plenty of people trolling/smashing people in a different skill level to themselves.
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I'm an advocate for separate MMRs for each of the four races (including random), and I'd love to have multiple IDs on the same account.
But a lot of us have asked for this for months now. lol.
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Is mmr not already seperated when you play other races? I think blizzard said so in one of their recent announcements: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4287836/Talking_Balance_with_David_Kim_-27_04_2012#blog
We do have a new method of calculating player skill more precisely. The different races tend to be slightly stronger or weaker at different league levels , and since most players only ever play one race all the time, racial strength was an influence on their hidden rating. For example, if terran is slightly weaker at the gold level, the player would have a lower hidden rating than if he were to play a different race at that level. When using this method of calculation, we are seeing good balance at the highest levels of the ladder - race balance is good enough at those levels to have a negligible influence on player performance.
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i think this is an idea that people have been suggesting for a long time since beta ... i think having an account per a race or 4 accounts maximum per email would be fine :/
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