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Hello,
for long time I was wondering about some decisions that Blizz made in SC2, they are at least questionable. Many players remember the system that was present in SC:BW and WC3. You could make infinite amount of accounts, it was really good when you wanted to try another race, learn completely new style etc. Now if you want to do that you have to buy another copy of SC2. Clearly for me it's all about money and IMO it doesn't make sense at all.
SC2 structure is in some ways different, but I think we still shouldn't be obligated to pay another 50$ to get training accounts (or w/e you wanna call that).
I was thinking about it for some time and I came to a conclusion that it should work like in World of Warcraft. You log into your account and then you are able to choose characters. One is your main character, but you are able to create 9 more characters and nobody charges you for this. I heard argument that it will screw new players, but it won't at all because
1. you play 5 placement matches and if you are not new you are not gonna end up in bronze
2. back to WoW point nobody bans twinks or they don't charge you for another character because you could make twink and screw new players.
My conclusion is:
One should be able to log into account and pick his aka
There could be limit to this just like in WoW (which doesn't really matter for 99% of players).
Another good thing that people suggest in this thread is
There should be separate MMR for each race
I like this one, because you could earn icons/achievements. I dare to even say it could work better than my original idea, since Unranked Matchmaking will resolve practice issues.
NOTE: I stopped playing WoW after 3 months and I'm glad...
NOTE2: I was aware that probably it was discussed before, but it kinda faded away. Blizzard is stubborn and community pushed them to implement good ideas not so long ago. If we stopped complaining about maps we would probably still play on Steps of War etc. Let us be heard.
EDIT: Poll
Poll: Do you agree?Yes (292) 79% No (77) 21% 369 total votes Your vote: Do you agree? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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you should post this suggestion in bnet forums...
it would be cool to be able to use different usernames
however for trying out new races, they will be adding a feature where you can play unranked ladder matches
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Yeah, your idea totally stops me from making new accounts and tanking my placements just so I can fuck with people in bronze league.
If you played WoW, you'd know that people who are much farther advanced in the game (ie higher level) fucking love to run around fucking with people who are low level. It's a large part of why a lot of people play PvE servers; they want to avoid getting ganked by people they have no chance of beating in a fight. If I played (as a Diamond) in Bronze, it would be the equivalent of a level 60 running around Hillsbrad killing poor level 20's.
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This has been discussed before in the vein of being able to have at least a different ladder for each race option so if you want to try another race, you don't risk tanking your MMR (from say platinum to silver).
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Why do u need a smurf if we get unranked automatches for offracing and learning new builds?
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On May 13 2012 16:57 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
you should post this suggestion in bnet forums...
it would be cool to be able to use different usernames
however for trying out new races, they will be adding a feature where you can play unranked ladder matches
Maybe I care about TL opinion more  ?
and I don't think unranked ladder matches will solve all issues. I play toss and zerg and I want to play both on ladder. I'm master toss and diamond zerg. Do you think I'm going to play zerg on my account? Won't go too long on this, because we don't know exactly how it will look like, but one thing I know for sure is UNRANKED.
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What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license.
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On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote:
What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license.
I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it.
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Personally I like the system they have in DotA 2 right now.
You can change your name as much as you want, whenever you want, but it all ties back to your steam login id.
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When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have.
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On May 13 2012 17:09 Jisall wrote:
Personally I like the system they have in DotA 2 right now.
You can change your name as much as you want, whenever you want, but it all ties back to your steam login id.
This has nothing to do with wanting a new name. Changing names doesn't change your account. If you want to try out new heroes for instance, you have to have another account, or your mmr will be exactly the same.
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On May 13 2012 17:11 hollabackk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:09 Jisall wrote:
Personally I like the system they have in DotA 2 right now.
You can change your name as much as you want, whenever you want, but it all ties back to your steam login id. This has nothing to do with wanting a new name. Changing names doesn't change your account. If you want to try out new heroes for instance, you have to have another account, or your mmr will be exactly the same.
Thats just what I want, I'm not concerned with mmr and shit, i don't ladder.
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Why would Blizzard ever do this if the only way they make more money is if you buy another copy of their game? It would be throwing money away to fix something that isn't even a problem for 99.999% of their player base.
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On May 13 2012 16:58 corpuscle wrote:
Yeah, your idea totally stops me from making new accounts and tanking my placements just so I can fuck with people in bronze league.
If you played WoW, you'd know that people who are much farther advanced in the game (ie higher level) fucking love to run around fucking with people who are low level. It's a large part of why a lot of people play PvE servers; they want to avoid getting ganked by people they have no chance of beating in a fight. If I played (as a Diamond) in Bronze, it would be the equivalent of a level 60 running around Hillsbrad killing poor level 20's.
I'm gonna further defend my statement by saying that I played WC3 for a lot of years and it never was that bad, you sound like everybody does it when in reality this is really small part of community.
It's not the same as in WoW, because there is no corpses and they cannot camp you. There are enough people in bronze so chance you gonna get same person are small. So no infinite trolling bro.
Also people who want to troll bronze players do it already. Maybe not the best example I will give, but Dragon does it in some higher leagues, but he is still better than the players he plays against.
Another thing is if you play for some time there is almost no way you gonna lose all your 5 placement matches and second your offrace skills are almost always worse, so the league you end up after placement matches is almost accurate representation of your skill.
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On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote:
What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it.
So you off-race 3 games, your MMR goes down, you go back to your main race, play 3 games and your MMR is back where it was before, what's the problem? And Blizzard is already adding unranked matchmaking.
Also your opponents don't care, they're not going to remember your name forever after they crushed you just because you were trying something new, unless you're one of the top pros, in which case return to my original statement.
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I think MMR should be separate by race so you would have 3 MMRs for 1v1. Kind of like having separate rankings in team games. Don't think it would be that hard to add 2 columns to the MMR database.
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On May 13 2012 17:18 SilverASD wrote:
I think MMR should be separate by race so you would have 3 MMRs for 1v1. Kind of like having separate rankings in team games. Don't think it would be that hard to add 2 columns to the MMR database.
That would be also good bro.
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This is what unranked matchmaking will be for.
I would rather stay on the same War3 account to get wins for icons.
I would rather be playing at a higher level on an off race. Not going to get better stomping bronze. Might take a lot of losses, but that is a good way to learn.
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On May 13 2012 17:00 keeperton wrote:
This has been discussed before in the vein of being able to have at least a different ladder for each race option so if you want to try another race, you don't risk tanking your MMR (from say platinum to silver).
I agree to this. Separate ladder rankings for each race would be very natural. Someone asks you "What league are you?", and you can answer "I'm Diamond Terran and Gold Zerg", because you have separate rankings for different races on the same account.
I actually think it's strange they haven't implemented this from the start.
On May 13 2012 17:20 Sufinsil wrote:
This is what unranked matchmaking will be for.
I would rather stay on the same War3 account to get wins for icons.
I would rather be playing at a higher level on an off race. Not going to get better stomping bronze. Might take a lot of losses, but that is a good way to learn.
The thing is, I don't neccecarily want to get better. I want to have fun. To have fun I need to be able to face fair competition regardless of what race I play. I play Terran, and when I get tired of playing it and think of playing other races, it's not the MMR loss that freightens me, it's the losing. Losing many times in a row is not fun.
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i think that a system like this, like in wow, was actually planned by blizz but scratched at some point. After login you still have to select your account, this makes no sense as you can only have one sc2 acc on one email/b.net-acc, but I guess they had planned for everyone to have multiple accounts.
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On May 13 2012 17:17 Alvin853 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote:
What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it. So you off-race 3 games, your MMR goes down, you go back to your main race, play 3 games and your MMR is back where it was before, what's the problem? And Blizzard is already adding unranked matchmaking. Also your opponents don't care, they're not going to remember your name forever after they crushed you just because you were trying something new, unless you're one of the top pros, in which case return to my original statement.
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Since when does it take 3 losses to drop your MMR to the point where you are now playing completely subpar players relative to your current MMR? I'm a low masters zerg. I consider my terran and protoss at a plat level. You're telling me if I just lose 3 games, I'll start playing against plat level MMR players?
Only 3 games -_-. And btw, not everyone who wants changes such as these want them because of anonymity/ladder anxiety/etc. I don't want to have to play 20-30 games (a much more reasonable number in my case) to get my MMR to the point where I don't get rolled every time I off-race. And when I do want to play my main race, I don't want to waste time playing against the lower MMR players just to get it back up to where my main race MMR is supposed to be at.
Again, if you think it takes just 3 games to accomplish this (at least in my scenario, I'm not fortunate enough to play the other races at only a slightly less level than my main), I will further refrain from responding to you again on this site.
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On May 13 2012 17:24 KoBlades wrote:
i think that a system like this, like in wow, was actually planned by blizz but scratched at some point. After login you still have to select your account, this makes no sense as you can only have one sc2 acc on one email/b.net-acc, but I guess they had planned for everyone to have multiple accounts.
Nice observation, Yeah I think hey taught of that but discarded it. having 3 playable accounts would be just right. So that we can play on any race that we want and not buy another for smurfs/practice
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On May 13 2012 17:14 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:11 hollabackk wrote:On May 13 2012 17:09 Jisall wrote:
Personally I like the system they have in DotA 2 right now.
You can change your name as much as you want, whenever you want, but it all ties back to your steam login id. This has nothing to do with wanting a new name. Changing names doesn't change your account. If you want to try out new heroes for instance, you have to have another account, or your mmr will be exactly the same. Thats just what I want, I'm not concerned with mmr and shit, i don't ladder.
Although i agree being not able to change your name is a little silly, that's not the point the OP is making.
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On May 13 2012 17:29 Ace1123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:24 KoBlades wrote:
i think that a system like this, like in wow, was actually planned by blizz but scratched at some point. After login you still have to select your account, this makes no sense as you can only have one sc2 acc on one email/b.net-acc, but I guess they had planned for everyone to have multiple accounts. Nice observation, Yeah I think hey taught of that but discarded it. having 3 playable accounts would be just right. So that we can play on any race that we want and not buy another for smurfs/practice
I think you guys got it wrong, it does make sense. You log in 1st by typing your emial and pass and then you choose on which one you want to play. It was there and the question is why they removed it? You could do that long time ago by having just one license. The way I see it working in SC2 is to make sub-menu where you choose on which name you want to play.
1. You log in.
2. Sub-menu - choose which aka you want to play
3. Logged in.
Just like in WoW.
1. Log in
2. Sub-menu - choose your character
3. Logged in.
Does having 10 characters means you should buy 10 accounts? Nobody has 10 mains in WoW.
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On May 13 2012 16:54 entrust wrote:
There should be separate MMR for each race
I love this idea.
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Maybe have 9 optional sub accounts that you can purchase cheaply similar to Guild Wars. Make unlocking an account slot be like 5 dollars or something.
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bliz doesnt want people smurfing. they want players to be all recognised on bnet
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If you couldn't make additional characters, people would stop playing wow and paying the sub.
If you want to make an additional smurf, people buy another account.
Makes sense from a buisness standpoint. It's shitty taht they do it, but that's the breaks yo
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None of this is going to happen untill the last expansion of sc2 imo. People smurfing only profits blizzard , and theres a ton of people that smurf because they only need to buy the original sc2 atm. Maybe when the rest 2 expansions are out and it will be too expensive to smurf some of this will actually get implemented.
As for WoW , it has a monthly fee which provides stable income , not to mention the ammount of money you need to spend on the game and all the expansions to get access to all of the content , so it only makes sense to be possible to make many characters on the same account.
But yeah i'd love to have a possibility of different aka's on the same account.
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mmm offracing without losing mmr, i don't know could it be custom games ? If the ladder wouldn't be interesting, people would use the custom games more for such things. But from the people that love to bash noobs, only a few actually are afraid to leave the games until they are in bronze league. And like the op said this portion of people is pretty small, so no real reason to do it. Besides its almost impossible to ruin your mmr with off racing since its so jumpy anyway, but you do ruin your ladder rank. So atleast be honest and don't talk about your mmr going down, but your ladder rank going down.
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On May 13 2012 17:18 SilverASD wrote:
I think MMR should be separate by race so you would have 3 MMRs for 1v1. Kind of like having separate rankings in team games. Don't think it would be that hard to add 2 columns to the MMR database.
To me, this looks rather narrow-minded.
Currently my ZvT is around high master level, whereas my ZvZ is Platinum level and my ZvP fluctuates between them
so most ZvT i just stomp my enemy, most ZvZ i get stomped, and in ZvP it is more of a coinflip who does the stomping, but i rarely ever get to play an even matched game.
So when you include a different MMR for each race, you might as well want to think about a different MMR for each matchup, since they are sometimes more different from each other than your main and second race. This leaves you suddenly with 9 different MMRs. If you then factor in random as another race (since playing vs random forces you to abandon certain openings, simply because they do only work against certain races), you suddenly get 16 MMR's. This is not only 16 times the data of what it is now, but also i don't think i could remember more than half of my MMRs. Therefore the solution of multiple MMRs seems not viable to me at all (it would just confuse players more than it would help, since without matchup-specific MMRs it does not help that much at all).
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Side notes: I assume a player of any league can offrace with the MMR of at least one league below, simply because of his mechanics/game understanding, so there should be no gap like diamond to silver between races you play. If there is, maybe the main race got too high of an MMR for the real capabilities of the player.
Another funny side note: Even within a matchup, i could use at least 3 different MMRs. As an example here are parts of my ZvT:
- against marine/tank or pure bio -> my MMR should be high masters
- against hellion thor heavy mech -> my MMR should be low masters
- against banshees into mass thor -> my MMR should be high diamond/low masters
- against spoon terran style -> my MMR should be mid diamond
(now of course i said before my ZvT MMR should be mid-high diamond, but that is because i mostly encounter marine/tank of pure bio players)
in ZvP it is even more funny, since it not only depends on what my opponent goes for, but also what style i choose (for example i lose a ton going stephano style vs 2 base immortal sentry allin, whereas if i go for destiny style i crush those players)
so give each player a MMR depending on what race they play, what matchup they play and for that matchup 4 different MMRs depending on the general strategy of their opponent, and 4 diffent MMRs depending on what strategy you chose, and you got yourself like what, 256 MMRs? Have fun with that -.-
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I thought Blizzard is implementing nonranked ladder games. That pretty much makes the complaints in this thread null.
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Your idea benefits a very small minority of players, while at the same time throws the entire ladder out the window, making matchmaking pointless because of various smurfs, life a living hell for new players etc.
Its just a bad idea overall, Warcraft 3 suffered because good players made smurfs daily and simply beat on new players, its why the game grew stagnant and the community was closed off.
Do you know how many platinum-diamond players would smurf just to beat on complete newbies on a daily basis?
The game is already very intimidating to new players, its why they are hiding their losses and trying to get new people into it. And i know what you are going to say : "They should just suck it up and practice" but that is a piss poor argument because no company in entire world is going to tell their customers to simply "suck it up noob!" it just does not work that way. Joey Walmart is not going to get beat up 1on1 by smurfs then go "well..i better practice and visit me some Teamliquid, read some strats, watch some replays, practice some more and then finally enjoy myself". It just does not work that way irl, Joey Walmart is going to stop playing and not buying the expansions.
Again the benefit of your idea is miniscule, its there to appease players who are too obsessed with their ranks while the negative of it is massive, pretty much ground breaking.
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That's pretty awful. Blizzard will never allow you to have NINE different ID's on one account, not in one million years will ANY company do that. To do that would be wasting sooooo much money as a company and as a business on their product. World of Warcraft has a subscription based system 15$ a month... not to mention it's not a competitive multiplayer game like Starcraft 2... it would make no sense to allow 9 characters on one account for several reasons, you can't even compare WoW to SC2, and I use to play WoW competitively.
Would take me a while to list all the reasons why 9+ characters for a single 60$ Starcraft 2 account would be a incredibly awful idea.
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Or just man up and if you really want to switch race just bite the bullet and lose a couple of games.
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Different MMR for each race sounds good.
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I have been suggesting this before as well: Making separate MMR's for each race. (Including random btw)
This solves two problems we and blizzard currently have:
1. No need for other accounts and thus no smuring (which is what blizz is worried about)
2. Some poeple feel (including me) that they can not play other races, which would actually bring diversity to the game. (i know i would play and learn more if i could play another race once in a while).
Besides, it would be quite simple to implement, they already have the code to be able to do this. And all it would take is for another placement match for each race when they decide to implement this.
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I think there was a similar topic in 2010 with the exact same points.
I lose 5 placements on purpose and rape everyone in bronze. It's not my main account so I don't care that people see that I'm in bronze league.
Good solution?
edit: now that we know unranked matchmaking will come eventually, there's also a lot less need for this anyway.
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On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote:
When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have.
The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way.
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On May 13 2012 19:09 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote:
When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have. The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way.
Well you wouldnt, because if you are master with one, you arent that far off off being masters with the rest.
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On May 13 2012 16:58 corpuscle wrote:
Yeah, your idea totally stops me from making new accounts and tanking my placements just so I can fuck with people in bronze league.
If you played WoW, you'd know that people who are much farther advanced in the game (ie higher level) fucking love to run around fucking with people who are low level. It's a large part of why a lot of people play PvE servers; they want to avoid getting ganked by people they have no chance of beating in a fight. If I played (as a Diamond) in Bronze, it would be the equivalent of a level 60 running around Hillsbrad killing poor level 20's.
It's not even relevant. If you chose a PvP server in WoW you basically agreed to face those consequences. If you didn't want to PvP at all, you went to a PvE server. I faced a few max level players while leveling up too. I didn't give a crap nor did i throw a fit over it. Besides, it's not like you even knew their level when you died. It's pretty much the same when a smurf kills you; you won't really know their league.
Simply could not care less.
On May 13 2012 17:17 Alvin853 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote:
What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it. So you off-race 3 games, your MMR goes down, you go back to your main race, play 3 games and your MMR is back where it was before, what's the problem? And Blizzard is already adding unranked matchmaking. Also your opponents don't care, they're not going to remember your name forever after they crushed you just because you were trying something new, unless you're one of the top pros, in which case return to my original statement.
Irrelevant? What's the problem with simply wanting to be able to off-race with a separate MMR without paying $60 for it? What in the world will be destroyed in SC2 should people be able to play at multiple MMR's other than Blizzard's profit margin? There is no reason to oppose this unless you've got stocks in Blizzard.
On May 13 2012 18:16 Tyree wrote:
Your idea benefits a very small minority of players, while at the same time throws the entire ladder out the window, making matchmaking pointless because of various smurfs, life a living hell for new players etc.
Its just a bad idea overall, Warcraft 3 suffered because good players made smurfs daily and simply beat on new players, its why the game grew stagnant and the community was closed off.
Do you know how many platinum-diamond players would smurf just to beat on complete newbies on a daily basis?
The game is already very intimidating to new players, its why they are hiding their losses and trying to get new people into it. And i know what you are going to say : "They should just suck it up and practice" but that is a piss poor argument because no company in entire world is going to tell their customers to simply "suck it up noob!" it just does not work that way. Joey Walmart is not going to get beat up 1on1 by smurfs then go "well..i better practice and visit me some Teamliquid, read some strats, watch some replays, practice some more and then finally enjoy myself". It just does not work that way irl, Joey Walmart is going to stop playing and not buying the expansions.
Again the benefit of your idea is miniscule, its there to appease players who are too obsessed with their ranks while the negative of it is massive, pretty much ground breaking.
I don't think accounts should be made freely, but if you really think smurfing is an issue at all, then you're basically acknowledging that smurfing and trolling bronze players is fine, as long as you payed money for it.
edit: and just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean it's a miniscule minority. I assure you: If there was an option to offrace without playing on your main account, everyone would use it.
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It's only a money issue. Smurfing won't be bad at all. I remember playing war3 and making a smurf. When my ladder stats were 50-2 I had only met 3 people that smurfed aswell so the smurfing will be minimal!
Another reason for having multiple accs: If I loose 30 games in a row on purpose to get my mmr down to my offrace, then play 5 offrace games and start playing my main again, then I will be bashing people the next 30 games. That's just like smurfing except now it takes 30 games and not 10 to get my mmr to a reasonable place and now I give out 30 free wins.
Besides I know people who don't want to start playing again because it's embarrassing they are so out of shape and want to start new smurfs but can't.
I really like the changes coming with hots, now we just need to have multiple accs.
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WoW has a monthly sub. SC2 doesnt. That should also be considered.
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since i generally dont like smurfs at all and see it would be exactly like sc1 (every make new acc play 20-1 first lose new acc noobbashing 4tw etc) i am against anything that allow multiple accs.
if you are as high that you NEED another acc for train, then you can pay it from your pricemoney or let your team buy one for the whole teametc whats easy possible
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Can someone tell me how unranked matchmaking will keep me from getting completely stomped when I play a game off-race?
Once again: I don't care about rating and MMR. I care about playing even games where my opponent is at an equal level.
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1. you play 5 placement matches and if you are not new you are not gonna end up in bronze
I completely disagree because people can purposely lose their 5 matches to be in bronze.
Other than that, I agree.
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When we login, we get to choose our 'character', the only one. :S
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On May 13 2012 19:11 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 19:09 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 13 2012 17:10 enemy2010 wrote:
When do people actually overcome ladder anxiety and realize that a bronze/silver/gold/plat/master/GM symbol has very little to do with your skill and that you can have fun (at least that is/should be the main reason by playing games) without being on the top of some electronic chart that no one really cares for in the first place....
Just save your money and your energy and play on the one account you have. The problem is, if I always played one race and want to try a second, I would initially suck at the second one. So if I switch in the current system, I would get beat up hard and drop down in ranking. This is fine, but if I still want to play my old race, I would have to work my way up to where I was with that race again, playing inferior opponents for a while. This doesn't make sense. Switching between the two races would mean that I hardly ever get to play someone at my level. With one race I'd get stomped, with the other I would stomp my opponents. No fun either way. Well you wouldnt, because if you are master with one, you arent that far off off being masters with the rest.
the only problem with this post is it isn't true
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Dont agree with unlimited accounts though i agree with should get more then 1 without having to pay 50 extra for every single one, 2 extra accounts would be nice.
Wont even mind to pay say 10 for it but 50 for one just feels a bit much after having bought the complete game for 50 already.
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It seems like a way to remove internet anonymity, I think it was back in beta when bnet tried to make everyone use their real names as ID's.
WEB3.0 killing internet anonymity.
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On May 13 2012 17:08 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 17:04 Alvin853 wrote:
What OP really wants:
A way to share his account with his siblings so they don't need to buy the game several times.
Maybe not, but that's the reason blizzard is not going to do that. And seriously, only pros that compete in tournaments regularly need smurfs so they don't reveal their strategies, and if they're well enough known that other players would study their strategies they can most likely afford to buy another SC2 license. I'd like to have a separate "account" to off-race without screwing up the MMR on my main race while not paying additional money for it.
Custom games?
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I think MMR for different race options should suffice, also just to add on that point, you should only need 3 MMRs, random doesnt count and should be considered as either your best/worst/average of the 3 or something like that...
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I've no idea how many threads were created and closed talking about the two topics you brought up. If you really wanna offrace so badly, just do it with your current account. If you're so fearful of losing in the imaginary ladder competition, then HotS has unranked ladder. As someone previously mentioned, unless you're master in one race and bronze in the other, it takes only a few matches for your mmr to switch.
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Well I bought 2 accounts, one for fucking around in/offracing and the other for slightly more serious play. Only cost me like £70/$110 altogether for both accounts and it was money well spent, then again I'm not particularly a tight person who worries about minor purchases. Making multiple accounts at ease will just make ladder a more dysfunctional system and lots of smurfs with plenty of people trolling/smashing people in a different skill level to themselves.
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I'm an advocate for separate MMRs for each of the four races (including random), and I'd love to have multiple IDs on the same account.
But a lot of us have asked for this for months now. lol.
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Is mmr not already seperated when you play other races?
I think blizzard said so in one of their recent announcements:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4287836/Talking_Balance_with_David_Kim_-27_04_2012#blog
We do have a new method of calculating player skill more precisely. The different races tend to be slightly stronger or weaker at different league levels , and since most players only ever play one race all the time, racial strength was an influence on their hidden rating. For example, if terran is slightly weaker at the gold level, the player would have a lower hidden rating than if he were to play a different race at that level. When using this method of calculation, we are seeing good balance at the highest levels of the ladder - race balance is good enough at those levels to have a negligible influence on player performance.
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i think this is an idea that people have been suggesting for a long time since beta ... i think having an account per a race or 4 accounts maximum per email would be fine :/
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I think this might get discussed in hots. With the ''global play'' this might come into consideration. At very least we will get account per server(i hope so).
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This has pretty much been brought up 1 billion times before
Yes everyone wants a separate MMR for each race
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This is one of the better suggestions I've seen in months.
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Its ether $60 per account or a Monthly sub.. Blizzard are a buisness not a charity.
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On May 13 2012 17:41 ThePlayer33 wrote:
bliz doesnt want people smurfing. they want players to be all recognised on bnet
Have they looked at the ladder lately?
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There are SOOOOOOOO many topics on this, the most recent is only from February. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315784
Yes, it'd be a great idea, however Blizzard has already stated that they look to implement unranked ladder, no it's not an ideal solution but it actually seems like a relatively decent compromise in my opinion.
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Why do we still get threads like these? Its been beaten to death already. Theres a million other threads that cover this go find one of them.
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Fact is that Blizzard would lose out on alot of money if they did this, therefore they won't do it. Why would they anyway? People that want to off-race without worrying about their MMR/ranking buys new accounts already.
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Yes please some kind of MMR system for offracing. Playing 300 games on clound kingdom isn't very fun compared to laddering.
If you screw your MMR on your main only way to access to playerbase thats good enough to outplay you is by asking people in chatchannels (what I've been doing for 7months because my MMR didnt raise fast enough for my taste and I ended up roflstomping pepole).
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I am without internet ever other two months, due to moving and work. I actually bought a smurf account to play on when I first get my internet back. It was a really good idea, but sadley it shouldn't have costed me 60 dollars.
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"I dont think we should pay as much as blizzard wants us to play. Upvotes to the left."
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On May 13 2012 17:16 sirachman wrote:
Why would Blizzard ever do this if the only way they make more money is if you buy another copy of their game? It would be throwing money away to fix something that isn't even a problem for 99.999% of their player base.
That's not the only way Blizzard makes money lol. And they are about to start making even more money now that Kespa will be paying them royalties.
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On May 13 2012 23:41 sereniity wrote:
Fact is that Blizzard would lose out on alot of money if they did this, therefore they won't do it. Why would they anyway? People that want to off-race without worrying about their MMR/ranking buys new accounts already.
Or don't play at all. I would play more SC2 if I could mess around with other races at my actual skill level with those races, but it isn't worth 50 euros. I'd rather spend my money buying another, new game.
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People put to much weight on their ladder ranking. I do agree ones skill can vary a lot with matchup (I currently have no idea about ZvZ but I'm fine in ZvP and to a lesser extent ZvT) so independent MMR for the matchmaking system is a good idea, although I don't know how Blizzard has designed the system and I wouldn't be surprised if it's already taken into account. Point is your ranking doesn't really matter, it's not a direct measure of skill. If you truly are high master caliber you will get to that rank given you play regularly.
I have to say I have no idea how it "works" for players just below the pro-level of play, maybe ladder rank carries importance for online tournaments and such but I can't believe it matters more than whether you are in masters/GM or not.
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