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thesideshow
930 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:03 matiK23 wrote: I think this is a great idea. Let's contact their sponsors. See how he likes it. No. If you disapprove of the witch-hunting that's been going on, don't join in. | ||
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Harbinger631
United States376 Posts
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:59 thesideshow wrote: I'm an asian and I find it funny if people call me any sort of asian slur. Like slant-eyes. The way you've defined the words above are your interpretation. If you say that "racist words" shouldn't be used, you have to be consistent. There isn't a deep history of racism against white people in the world. That's the obvious dichotomy here, and that's precisely why society defines the words the way they do. Again, many of you keep arguing whether or not terms should be offensive on the merits. This is irrelevant to the discussion. Corporate sponsors simply 100% will not stand for use of these words, no matter what you or the player thinks. It's just common sense to not have someone who is a prominent figure in the community or a representative of your team use them. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
and I do think its pretty sad that people feel the need to email companies asking them not to support certain players simply becasue they don't like them, or the things they say I really feel like Destiny is someone the community needs, without him the 'section' for troll/abusive and rude streamers would be basically children trying to be more and more rude in order to get more and more hits, but with Destiny there is basically a yard stick where simply being rude and troll like wont cut it and you also need to have some sort of inteligence... and its what seperated SC2 players for the most part from the HoN and Dota communites... I'll conitune to support Destiny and watch his streams and I'm glad that despite all the haters that he is still able to make money from doing what he loves. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:02 matiK23 wrote: Wow so a few suspension from games in real, physical actual professional sports equates to getting a gamer fired, or forced to resign from his team. When did e-sports get so big that they can afford to do this? Actually, because eSports is so small that they have to let go of players. "Big" teams can't actually "afford" to literally lose a player. Destiny on the other is not the lynch pin of the profit earnings for Quantic--and so they can let him go if things look dicey. | ||
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iTsCaRNaGe
22 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:04 lorkac wrote: It's not really a hyperbole--it's more just selfishness. If it doesn't bother them, then it shouldn't bother anyone. If it does bother them, then it should bother everyone. I'm pretty certain most of the people who are against Destiny right now are not offended by the word gook. They're offended by racist behavior. So Destiny calling someone a gook did not offend them as much as Destiny maliciously attacking someone with racist remarks. Why? Because of the belief and understanding that a community must at least try to not be bigoted. It's a philosophical difference. Most people who are defending Destiny do not do so because they believe that everyone deserves or doesn't deserve to be called gooks. They defend destiny because gook and nigger doesn't offend them and they find it strange that other people might see the world differently than them. It's common in most conservatives in the US. I'm offended by racist behavior, am I offended by Destiny calling insulting some dude over the internet? No. If he did this at a tournament, then it would probably be the other way around. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:05 Harbinger631 wrote: Still a fan of Destiny, still baffled by the community. I'm going to start e-mailing sponsers now every time I see something inflammatory. I wouldn't spend your time like that unless... A) it truly brings you happiness (kinda weird?) B) you get paid a decent salary (yeah right!) | ||
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:07 Tabbris wrote: Im no destiny fan at all but my god this community How dare they not like racism. The manner! | ||
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Hren
Slovenia86 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:04 thesideshow wrote: No. If you disapprove of the witch-hunting that's been going on, don't join in. I'm not a Destiny fanboy- I don't even watch his stream. I just want consistency- either everyone should face punishment for using hate language or nobody should. it's pretty fucking hypocritical getting someone kicked out of a team if you use hate language yourself. | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:04 Karak wrote: Destiny doesn't say it cause he lost his temper once or twice in the heat of the moment. He says it, defends it afterwards and refuses to apologize. There's quite the difference. It's intentional and without discretion. And yes, there is a big difference between just generic insults and racism, although I think any sponsored player would be wise not to rage at people. If you get mad from destiny calling you a nigger, you are taking language too seriously since its not actually racist and you need to desensitize yourself to this stuff; if you are offended you are weak If you don't get mad from destiny calling you a nigger, it shows that he is right and his philosophy is working and that he is spearheading the movement to "take the word back" to make nigger a general insult that won't offend black people anymore lose-lose | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:04 TaeTae wrote: There are some mentally wrong people if they think that going to sponsors is funny. I'm pretty sure the folks who sent in letters did not find the act funny. It was a very very serious thing for them to do. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Yeah, cause he was a racist. You hurt Esports being here. This community is so sad to follow and be a part of. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:17 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I like his announcement. As is typical of him, behind all the trolling and insults, he is pretty reasonable. Leaving for the good of the team was pretty good on his part. Lol don't kid yourself, he got kicked out of the team. His statement was just usual PR stuff to save face. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:09 Hren wrote: Has mailing sponsors ever occured previous to the Orb incident? And does it happen in other gaming communities as well? I`m curious, since the whole phenomenon seems pretty new to me. The bigger the sport the bigger the tidal wave of mail. Ask yourself this question--how many letters from Peta do you think big ranches get a month? It's no different in the world of entertainment. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:03 Corrosive wrote: Go ahead, but the most that warden would get is a slap on the wrist, for a couple reasons. First, he wasn't targeting someone gay and calling them a faggot because he knew they were gay. Also, it's a lot more socially acceptable to say "faggot" because the definition of faggot has been blurred recently, since a lot of people are using it to mean "something annoying" rather than a "homosexual person". There are plenty of gay people who still find the word offensive. I don't think you can talk on their behalf and say that it's OK to use it now. If a mainstream broadcaster were to use the term 'faggot' as an insult do you think everyone would be OK with that? (And yes, I have seen the South Park episode, but to me that was just as laughable as the character's attempt in Clerks 2 to reclaim the words 'porch monkey'.) | ||
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TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:11 ceaRshaf wrote: Yeah, cause he was a racist. You hurt Esports being here. This community is so sad to follow and be a part of. He called someone a gook in order to define his opponent as being undeserving of success. Which is the same as saying that since his opponent was asian, his opponent shouldn't have won. Or that since the opponent won unfairly, the opponent was obviously like an asian person. These are racist comments. You (and Destiny) not wanting them to be racist doesn't stop them from being racist. | ||
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