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WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 10:57:38
May 04 2012 10:55 GMT
#761
this community can sometimes be worse than cancer.

wonder what other wonderful actions shall be perpetrated in the name of ESPORTS.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
May 04 2012 10:56 GMT
#762
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.


ahh the hyperbole from people who are offended at people who got offended.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
May 04 2012 10:57 GMT
#763
On May 04 2012 19:52 _vk_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:50 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:42 adrenaLinG wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:37 haileris wrote:
Can we please stop quoting that Louis CK video?

Louis CK doesn't say nigger or faggot in his standup anymore as a swear word. He has said in interviews that he doesn't because of people that try to justify racism, such as many have in this thread. It's the exact same reason Dave Chapelle doesn't do a TV show anymore because of people like you (he also found people laughing at the wrong parts and were using it justify racism).

Here's Louis CK in his TV show explaining his rationale (Begins at 4:50):



The etymology of the word "faggot" is incorrect, but the underlying point of its offensiveness still stands.

Which is why I said that Louis CK is completely different from Destiny.

Destiny is literally trying to defend his racism with bullshit excuses, the problem is the his fans gobble it up and don't question it, and then just ape what he does.

On May 04 2012 19:38 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
Now show me how many e-mails have been sent over a white american being called a cracker on the internet.

Nice first post on TL.

The answer is 0, because cracker is not offensive, and white people just laugh if you call them a cracker.


Calling someone white in a society ruled by white people where there is a heavy amount of white privilege is a few shades away of complimenting them more so than insulting them.

A racial slur is insulting because of the power dynamic and the historical relevance of the communities involved.

For example, if a black person calls a white person a cracker, it's no different than saying "Excuse me, individual over there, I wish to label you as part of the society that was in charge of and ruled my society, I wish to remind you of the victories you had against my people, my culture, and my history. My society is less than it could be because of how powerful you were."

So please stop thinking that "cracker" is the same as "nigger."


TL;DR: it's not racism if it's directed at white people

Why must you be so "niggardly"?

Or: the construction of language and how even the very words we use in the English language are appropriated and created by white people.

Why do you think black people invented rap and hip hop and a form of expression?

You can be racist to white people if you're insulting them in Chinese or Korean or in a different language. Trying to insult white people by making a slang or word in their own languages is sort of a joke
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
May 04 2012 10:58 GMT
#764
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.


People who think that calling someone a 'gook' is bad are worse than a disease that kills millions of people every year.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
May 04 2012 10:58 GMT
#765
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.

Is it also the cancer that is killing /b/ and must be stopped?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#766
On May 04 2012 19:52 _vk_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:50 lorkac wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:42 adrenaLinG wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:37 haileris wrote:
Can we please stop quoting that Louis CK video?

Louis CK doesn't say nigger or faggot in his standup anymore as a swear word. He has said in interviews that he doesn't because of people that try to justify racism, such as many have in this thread. It's the exact same reason Dave Chapelle doesn't do a TV show anymore because of people like you (he also found people laughing at the wrong parts and were using it justify racism).

Here's Louis CK in his TV show explaining his rationale (Begins at 4:50):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc

The etymology of the word "faggot" is incorrect, but the underlying point of its offensiveness still stands.

Which is why I said that Louis CK is completely different from Destiny.

Destiny is literally trying to defend his racism with bullshit excuses, the problem is the his fans gobble it up and don't question it, and then just ape what he does.

On May 04 2012 19:38 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
Now show me how many e-mails have been sent over a white american being called a cracker on the internet.

Nice first post on TL.

The answer is 0, because cracker is not offensive, and white people just laugh if you call them a cracker.


Calling someone white in a society ruled by white people where there is a heavy amount of white privilege is a few shades away of complimenting them more so than insulting them.

A racial slur is insulting because of the power dynamic and the historical relevance of the communities involved.

For example, if a black person calls a white person a cracker, it's no different than saying "Excuse me, individual over there, I wish to label you as part of the society that was in charge of and ruled my society, I wish to remind you of the victories you had against my people, my culture, and my history. My society is less than it could be because of how powerful you were."

So please stop thinking that "cracker" is the same as "nigger."


TL;DR: it's not racism if it's directed at white people


I didn't say it wasn't racist--I said that it wasn't the same insult. Calling someone a nigger or a gook has a very specific connotation of dominance and dehumanization. Calling someone a cracker--especially in a heavily privileged white social group such as the US or Europe--does not insult anyone because they are being defined and labeled as the superior group.

It's still a racist thing to say--but it's not a very offensive weapon in comparison to nigger or gook.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Supercilium
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden308 Posts
May 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#767
On May 04 2012 19:56 Zalithian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.


ahh the hyperbole from people who are offended at people who got offended.


I would say it's more the Silent majority getting angry at the shit that the Vocal minority pulls off.
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 11:03:10
May 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#768
On May 04 2012 19:47 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:45 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:42 adrenaLinG wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:37 haileris wrote:
Can we please stop quoting that Louis CK video?

Louis CK doesn't say nigger or faggot in his standup anymore as a swear word. He has said in interviews that he doesn't because of people that try to justify racism, such as many have in this thread. It's the exact same reason Dave Chapelle doesn't do a TV show anymore because of people like you (he also found people laughing at the wrong parts and were using it justify racism).

Here's Louis CK in his TV show explaining his rationale (Begins at 4:50):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc

The etymology of the word "faggot" is incorrect, but the underlying point of its offensiveness still stands.

Which is why I said that Louis CK is completely different from Destiny.

Destiny is literally trying to defend his racism with bullshit excuses, the problem is the his fans gobble it up and don't question it, and then just ape what he does.

On May 04 2012 19:38 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
Now show me how many e-mails have been sent over a white american being called a cracker on the internet.

Nice first post on TL.

The answer is 0, because cracker is not offensive, and white people just laugh if you call them a cracker.


But it is a racial slur none the less, sorry to break it to everyone. Just because most people aren't offended by it doesn't mean it should be used, isn't that the lesson we're trying to teach here?


Let see.

Nigger - used as a racist word for black people who were slaves for hundreds of years
Gook - started in the korean war, but mainly used against vietnamese soldiers that US soldiers killed
Cracker - kinda funny word that doesnt mean anything besides the similarity between cracker color and skin color of white people


I'm an asian and I find it funny if people call me any sort of asian slur. Like slant-eyes.

The way you've defined the words above are your interpretation. If you say that "racist words" shouldn't be used, you have to be consistent.
OGS:levelchange
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 11:06:23
May 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#769
Didn't someone post a screenshot of 4KWarden himself calling someone a faggot? Anyone up for writing to 4K and their sponsors(http://www.four-kings.com/partners) and telling them how we don't approve of his homophobic language etc?

Edit- Ok he used 'fag-like'. but the point still stands IMO. And 'cancerdog' is pretty offensive towards people with cancer.

[01:27] DaeHanMinGuk » wtf is this shit
[01:31] DaeHanMinGuk » Only zergs tonight
[01:50] Crentist » i have been getting fags all night
[01:54] Crentist » huh!
[02:01] DaeHanMinGuk » I know protoss is fag-like
[02:27] DaeHanMinGuk » Meh fucking shit evening
[04:40] DaeHanMinGuk » piss off
[07:44] DaeHanMinGuk » Fucking cancerdog



http://www.sctemple.com/replay/165934/#Chat


Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 11:01:24
May 04 2012 10:59 GMT
#770
On May 04 2012 19:59 Supercilium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:56 Zalithian wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.


ahh the hyperbole from people who are offended at people who got offended.


I would say it's more the Silent majority getting angry at the shit that the Vocal minority pulls off.


So those people are worse than a disease that kills millions every year? The silent majority is free to let Razer know they support Destiny calling people niggers and gooks. Let me know how it goes.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
May 04 2012 11:02 GMT
#771
On May 04 2012 19:45 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:40 matiK23 wrote:

You don't think that happens on the court or on the field? May not be as harsh as calling a player "nigger", but there's definitely shit talking in the sound bytes. Only time players get into trouble is if it's recorded somehow in text or on tape.


Wrong. Luis Suarez was banned for eight matches for racial abuse earlier this year on little more evidence than the word of an opposing team member and the fact an FA panel felt that his testimony was the weaker of the two.

John Terry is due in court on a similar racism charge, with only a little extra evidence.


Offensive language like that is taken very seriously from public figures in sport. As it should be.


Wow so a few suspension from games in real, physical actual professional sports equates to getting a gamer fired, or forced to resign from his team. When did e-sports get so big that they can afford to do this?
Without a paddle up shit creek.
iTsCaRNaGe
Profile Joined May 2012
22 Posts
May 04 2012 11:02 GMT
#772
On May 04 2012 19:59 thesideshow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:47 Corrosive wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:45 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:42 adrenaLinG wrote:
On May 04 2012 19:37 haileris wrote:
Can we please stop quoting that Louis CK video?

Louis CK doesn't say nigger or faggot in his standup anymore as a swear word. He has said in interviews that he doesn't because of people that try to justify racism, such as many have in this thread. It's the exact same reason Dave Chapelle doesn't do a TV show anymore because of people like you (he also found people laughing at the wrong parts and were using it justify racism).

Here's Louis CK in his TV show explaining his rationale (Begins at 4:50):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc

The etymology of the word "faggot" is incorrect, but the underlying point of its offensiveness still stands.

Which is why I said that Louis CK is completely different from Destiny.

Destiny is literally trying to defend his racism with bullshit excuses, the problem is the his fans gobble it up and don't question it, and then just ape what he does.

On May 04 2012 19:38 iTsCaRNaGe wrote:
Now show me how many e-mails have been sent over a white american being called a cracker on the internet.

Nice first post on TL.

The answer is 0, because cracker is not offensive, and white people just laugh if you call them a cracker.


But it is a racial slur none the less, sorry to break it to everyone. Just because most people aren't offended by it doesn't mean it should be used, isn't that the lesson we're trying to teach here?


Let see.

Nigger - used as a racist word for black people who were slaves for hundreds of years
Gook - started in the korean war, but mainly used against vietnamese soldiers that US soldiers killed
Cracker - kinda funny word that doesnt mean anything besides the similarity between cracker color and skin color of white people


I'm an asian and I find it funny if people call me any sort of asian slur.

The way you've defined the words above are your interpretation. If you say that "racist words" shouldn't be used, you have to be consistent.


People don't believe in consistency, which is why most of the people in this thread could be deemed hypocrites.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
May 04 2012 11:03 GMT
#773
On May 04 2012 19:59 tomatriedes wrote:
Didn't someone post a screenshot of 4KWarden himself calling someone a faggot? Anyone up for writing to 4K and their sponsors(http://www.four-kings.com/partners) and telling them how we don't approve of his homophobic language etc?


The reason no one cares is because Warden is a no name who doesn't really have any fans or haters of any significant magnitude. And the only reason Destiny got shit for it is because the majority of the whiners are butt-hurt haters who just want to see him fail.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
May 04 2012 11:03 GMT
#774
On May 04 2012 19:59 tomatriedes wrote:
Didn't someone post a screenshot of 4KWarden himself calling someone a faggot? Anyone up for writing to 4K and their sponsors(http://www.four-kings.com/partners) and telling them how we don't approve of his homophobic language etc?


I think this is a great idea. Let's contact their sponsors. See how he likes it.

User was warned for this post
Without a paddle up shit creek.
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
May 04 2012 11:03 GMT
#775
So we are free to express our thanks to sponsors for what they do but we are not free to express our dismay when their representatives spew hate language openly and regularly?
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
May 04 2012 11:03 GMT
#776
On May 04 2012 19:59 tomatriedes wrote:
Didn't someone post a screenshot of 4KWarden himself calling someone a faggot? Anyone up for writing to 4K and their sponsors(http://www.four-kings.com/partners) and telling them how we don't approve of his homophobic language etc?

Go ahead, but the most that warden would get is a slap on the wrist, for a couple reasons. First, he wasn't targeting someone gay and calling them a faggot because he knew they were gay. Also, it's a lot more socially acceptable to say "faggot" because the definition of faggot has been blurred recently, since a lot of people are using it to mean "something annoying" rather than a "homosexual person".
Maruprime.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 04 2012 11:04 GMT
#777
On May 04 2012 19:56 Zalithian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:55 WiljushkA wrote:
this community is worse than cancer.


ahh the hyperbole from people who are offended at people who got offended.


It's not really a hyperbole--it's more just selfishness. If it doesn't bother them, then it shouldn't bother anyone. If it does bother them, then it should bother everyone.

I'm pretty certain most of the people who are against Destiny right now are not offended by the word gook. They're offended by racist behavior. So Destiny calling someone a gook did not offend them as much as Destiny maliciously attacking someone with racist remarks.

Why? Because of the belief and understanding that a community must at least try to not be bigoted. It's a philosophical difference.

Most people who are defending Destiny do not do so because they believe that everyone deserves or doesn't deserve to be called gooks. They defend destiny because gook and nigger doesn't offend them and they find it strange that other people might see the world differently than them. It's common in most conservatives in the US.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
May 04 2012 11:04 GMT
#778
On May 04 2012 20:03 matiK23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 19:59 tomatriedes wrote:
Didn't someone post a screenshot of 4KWarden himself calling someone a faggot? Anyone up for writing to 4K and their sponsors(http://www.four-kings.com/partners) and telling them how we don't approve of his homophobic language etc?


I think this is a great idea. Let's contact their sponsors. See how he likes it.


Aren't you guys upset that people did this to Destiny? Double standards?
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 11:04:40
May 04 2012 11:04 GMT
#779
On May 04 2012 19:50 Kustom wrote:
So, when idra rages and insults the other player it's fine, he's not a bad guy behind the scenes, but when it's destiny it's a shame just because he used a "racist" word?

Don't get me wrong, racism shouldn't be allowed, but we're all humans, and we all got our temper, and using the ban-hammer and emailing the sponsors thus hurting the whole community on the behave of a single player is short minded.


Destiny doesn't say it cause he lost his temper once or twice in the heat of the moment. He says it, defends it afterwards and refuses to apologize. There's quite the difference.

It's intentional and without discretion.

And yes, there is a big difference between just generic insults and racism, although I think any sponsored player would be wise not to rage at people.
TaeTae
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom97 Posts
May 04 2012 11:04 GMT
#780
There are some mentally wrong people if they think that going to sponsors is funny.
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