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Highly disappointed in the TL/SC2 community.
That is all.
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On May 05 2012 08:39 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:23 MercilessMonkey wrote:On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:On May 05 2012 08:01 Frunkis wrote:On May 05 2012 07:38 sevencck wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that his dismissal from Quantic was less about his usage of the words he used, but more about his subsequent defiant insistence that he had done nothing wrong? Not that I necessarily agree with the "community," but if Destiny had simply apologized and said he was wrong, it might have ended at that. I can't speak for the mods, of course, but it seems like he wouldn't have even been banned from TL at that point.
He claims the apology would have been disingenuous, but all that means is that he's not sorry and that he doesn't believe he did anything worthy of an apology. The totality of Destiny's point apparently was that he has free speech, and therefore he can say what he wants and doesn't need to care what the community thinks about it. Cool. If he's gonna blaze his own trail and thumb his nose at the community, however, then noone is to blame but him if the community turns around and rejects him. Not the community, not TL, not the mods, not Quantic, just him.
He dug his own grave with a smile on his face. Hope he's still smiling when he has to lay down in it. He wasn't really racist when he used the words and he wouldn't really be sorry if he apologized. What is people's obsession with meaningless words? Oh wait, I know. It's because acting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous and making people apologize makes people feel powerful. It's pathetic. The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The only thing that's relevant is the following: if you're gonna be defiant and do and say what you please because you don't care what the community thinks, fine by me, but it's stupid and hypocritical to then appeal to that same community if they subsequently decide to shun you for your behavior (and yes, Destiny has done just that, read his Reddit post more carefully if you deny this). If you can say whatever words you want and expect people not to get offended because meaning isn't inherent and that it's the result of interpretation and social conditioning, then by that same nihilism Quantic can fire Destiny and you shouldn't get offended because it doesn't mean anything either. I agree that if the community wants to shun him and not watch his stream, that is well within their rights and they should do exactly that. He makes pretty much all of his money from streaming, so if he didn't have any viewers he wouldn't have any money. People could punish him that way, and should if that's how they feel. But do you think it's acceptable that people immediately go rushing to Quantic's sponsors instead of simply not watching his stream? Him not being on Quantic anymore doesn't hurt him financially all that much, but Razer deciding not to sponsor a team or the whole scene would be a huge problem to a ton of people if it happened. Sure, they probably won't over just one event, but if these things keeps happening, it's very plausible they might just say "fuck it, too much drama, not worth it, no more SC2 sponsorship." Don't get me wrong, I think there are alot of very childish people in the community running around, reporting this and that and the other. In fact, I quite dislike Warden's behavior. Oh, he apparently has no problem instigating and provoking people with poor manners and disparaging comments, but he doesn't like being on the receiving end, and will do what he can to publicly discredit and humiliate the other party in response. Guys who run their mouth and then cry to the ref disgust me. You don't get to antagonize someone and decide when a line has been crossed. As a result, I can understand why Destiny didn't want to apologize, and I can appreciate that he probably isn't a racist. I don't believe people are necessarily racists just because they use the odd racial slur (though it really is a very bad habit). Regardless, it doesn't take away from the fact that Destiny's defiance to the community was in poor taste, nor does it take away from the fact that Destiny represents a company that operates in a public setting. Me personally? If I liked Destiny, I would still watch his stream. If I was offended by Destiny's comments I may or may not stop watching his stream. In either case, however, I wouldn't try to argue that his behavior isn't non-offensive or not in poor taste. No, I wouldn't complain to Quantic, but I don't see how that matters. If Quantic projects losses due to this type of behavior then it has no recourse but to distance itself from Destiny. That's pretty standard in the marketplace I'm pretty sure.
I'm not trying to argue his behaviour wasn't offensive or in poor taste, I absolutely think it was in poor taste. My problem isn't with Quantic distancing themselves from him either; if people had complained to Quantic and Quantic decided to distance themselves from him, that's fine (although I think that would silly since they picked him up knowing full well this sort of thing, so I don't see how they could be surprised). Unfortunately, that isn't what some people did. Some people went straight to Razer (and maybe other sponsors) with their complaints. I think that could have a very real impact on the entire scene if it continues in the future. I think that was pretty much the worst option for anyone to choose, and yet some people chose it anyways  I'm glad you didn't. I'm glad most people didn't. But even a small, vocal minority can make a difference, and I don't think it is good if the difference they make is one which could harm the whole community.
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On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:
The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it.
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See what I mean? Getting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous. You can barely contain yourself.
Awww do words hurt? How sad. Words don't carry with them slavery and death and whatever melodramatic garbage you can think up. YOU associate those things. YOU choose to be offended and choose to give those words more power than they deserve. Just because you're a racist doesn't mean other people can't use those words and not be a racist. If you used those words with all your thoughts and intents of oppression and despair then yes, maybe you genuinely shouldn't use those words because you clearly have issues. That doesn't mean no one should be able to use those words and that everyone should get the punishment that you would deserve for using them.
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On May 05 2012 08:34 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:32 Xlancer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:19 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:17 Xlancer wrote:
And here I thought everyone wanted to help e-sports grow, but it seems that all we really want to do is harass sponsors and make them wish they'd never gotten involved with SC2 in the first place >.< way to go. If you want a certain play off a team please DON'T harass the sponsors, but rather take it up with the team itself. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. It's more akin to chopping off a foot before the rot that has set in spreads to the rest of the body. so you think that it's okay to harass sponsors away from sc2? The proper way to deal with players is through the management of the team. To be frank with you. If we are the kind of community that supports that sort of disrespectful bigotry then we don't deserve any of the attention that the sponsors have been so kind to give us.
who ever said they support destiny using racial slurs? Just because someone says they don't want the community to get players fired and send hate to sponsors does not mean they support the things the player says or even like the player at all. The use of racial slurs by pros is a problem for the community I agree, but people like you are a far bigger problem to the community.
So please think before you post ANYWHERE on the internet because just like racial slurs can be powerful and cause harm, a butt hurt kid trying to be a community "hero" can cause a great deal of harm as well.
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again the community is reinforcing this standard, i don't agree with it, but it is what it is. The standard has been set though and no exception should be made, whether it be idra or some mid-tier team member.
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On May 05 2012 08:44 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:40 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 08:37 FlamingForce wrote:On May 05 2012 08:34 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 08:32 Xlancer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:19 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:17 Xlancer wrote:
And here I thought everyone wanted to help e-sports grow, but it seems that all we really want to do is harass sponsors and make them wish they'd never gotten involved with SC2 in the first place >.< way to go. If you want a certain play off a team please DON'T harass the sponsors, but rather take it up with the team itself. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. It's more akin to chopping off a foot before the rot that has set in spreads to the rest of the body. so you think that it's okay to harass sponsors away from sc2? The proper way to deal with players is through the management of the team. To be frank with you. If we are the kind of community that supports that sort of disrespectful bigotry then we don't deserve any of the attention that the sponsors have been so kind to give us. Implying that getting a player fired from his team means that we "Support" him No...I'm implying that by people sitting back and letting that sort of behavior continue you support it, and that if that's the kind of community we want to be, then "ESPORTS" would be better off without us. Well than maybe you should go back and read the post you responded to, he said the proper way to handle issues like these is through team management and he is absolutely right, IncontroL also mentioned in the original thread that actually contacting sponsors is something that should not be happening and that teams should be contacted if there is a problem with one of their players, this is not sitting back and supporting behaviour, this is weeding out the problems, going for the sponsors is like torching the entire garden.
And where in my post did I ever say that wasnt? My posts are about what happened , not about what "should of happened" or "how it could of been handled better".
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On May 05 2012 08:36 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:33 Bulldog654 wrote:On May 05 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 08:24 Bulldog654 wrote:On May 05 2012 08:14 Fliparoni wrote:On May 05 2012 08:11 NoctemSC wrote:
I'm going to try to get my point across in a civil manner.
Destiny has never been a favorite player of mine, neither has he been one I've hated.
In fact, Destiny has given me many laughs on the few times that I've tuned into his stream. E-sports, at least in starcraft 2 is shifting, whether for better or worse I can not guess at, yet.
My main problem with this is the fact that certain community members feel like they are entitled to decide how someone can or can not talk. If you don't like how someone presents themselves, that's your right, but do you really feel the need to take it to this level? Not only are you endangering a players career, a player that asks nothing from you except that you watch his games but even worse, you're endangering an entire team.
. Just as Destiny feels like he's entitled to use whatever language he likes against anyone he likes, there are other people who feel entitled to report said language to his team and sponsors. What goes around comes around. Nothing too complicated about that. The difference being that one causes no actual harm and the other does. are you saying that racial slurs dont cause any harm? Oh words can hurt someones feelings sure, but this isn't direct quantifiable harm. Going after someones money has a direct and quantifiable effect that isn't in any way subjective or relative. Words spoken by a stranger over the internet hold no more power than you attribute to them. I'm not saying that being called a gook didn't hurt the OP's feelings because I have no way of knowing if they did or didn't, but I do know that messing with a person's ability to make money does cause damage. Actual, real, quantifiable damage. Try an experiment to see which one is worse: call your dog a gook every day for ten days and see what happens, then don't feed it for ten days. you said it caused no actual harm, and now you are saying it can hurt your feelings. what exactly are you saying? oh, and btw, nice example, you know my dog doesnt speak english, right?
Ok then that's settled, its ok to call people gooks as long as they don't speak english.
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this thread having 120 pages is insanity, i dont see why this is such a hot topic, most of us know destiny's 'attitude' and his 'personality' he said him parting ways isnt a huge deal and yet this thread is continously instigating it
everything that was said has been said, people have been repeating facts for over 50 pages
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Time for pro gamers to get together and form a union to protect themselves because this is just getting silly. It's his stream honestly he should be able to do something without being analyzed. Hes at home trying to practice and of course over time he will get stressed out and probably take it out on someone because they did something foolish like say an all in one base terran attack seriously how much fun is that to play against? It's not fun at all and if you've been losing for awhile you will take it out on that person for such a ridiculous cheap build that still way to strong. I just think that its time for the pro gamers to have some protection because there are people out there who will find ways for that person to get kicked off the team.
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Best possible solution to this problem.
You keep streaming, Destiny, and we'll watch teams pick up disciplined and competitive players. This way, I don't have to watch despicable players at tournaments. Best outcome for all, I'd say.
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On May 05 2012 08:55 JitnikoVi wrote:
this thread having 120 pages is insanity, i dont see why this is such a hot topic, most of us know destiny's 'attitude' and his 'personality' he said him parting ways isnt a huge deal and yet this thread is continously instigating it
everything that was said has been said, people have been repeating facts for over 50 pages
Why would it be a big deal for him? Now he can say what he wants(not that a team ever stopped him), and do what he wants. He rarely attends events, and I'd be willing to bet makes 90-95% of his monthly income from streaming.
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On May 05 2012 07:01 TricksAre4Figs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:00 Cushion wrote:
Reading this thread is bad for my health, but I can't help but to post. Everyone is making this something it isn't. So i've come from just being a forum leech that reads, and never contributes to post at least once in this thread.
I truly don't feel what Destiny did falls under rasism. He just used a word, he didn't spit in the guys face for being from a specific race (which i've actually been a victim of)! What he did was obviously wrong and bad manners, but IMHO not racism.
I don't feel like Destiny should have been kicked out of quantic. I think that's going too far. He should recieve some sort of punishment obviously, but to ruin his career (cause no team is going to pick him up). Is far worse of a crime then what he did.
I can't comment on how he got banned from the TL.net sidebar cause I don't know the full story, but it seems like he did do enough to deserve that one.
I can say I've watched destiny's stream before and I felt it was lacking, and a bit stale. However the time I did watch it he used adult language enough for me not to be surprised by something like this. If I'm not mistaken he did have a langauge advisory stamp in his stream thread. We're all guilty of using words that we shouldn't, but crucifying someone for it is even worse then what they did. Just my 2 cents!
Well back to Leeching bye!
I think you're forgetting the part where he is going to do it again and has no intention of admitting it is wrong in any way.
Unpressional? Sure. But 'wrong'? Only in relativist America.
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On May 05 2012 07:42 Bulldog654 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:40 genius_man16 wrote:
I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset?
If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.
Perhaps you err in assuming that the whole of the "community" even wants it to go mainstream.
Perhaps, however it seems to be a vast majority sentiment, so I feel that my point still stands.
On May 05 2012 07:51 MercilessMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:44 Holytornados wrote:On May 05 2012 07:26 StarStrider wrote:On May 05 2012 07:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread. I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64) 43% Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51) 34% Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18) 12% Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14) 9% Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2) 1% 149 total votes Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense? (Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.
what is offensive/racial language? Cunt, Nigger, Kike, Faggot, etc. I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever. Some feminists would tell you that cunt is the most offensive word you can use. Kike is a racist slur for asians? Idk, I never really see it used. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote:
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?
Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.
Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. I don't disagree, I don't think it's necessarily "ok" to act like a dick on the internet when you wouldn't in real life. However, let's follow through with your analogy. If I called you a racist slur on the basketball court, which of the following is more likely: A) You tell me to go fuck myself, and don't play basketball with me anymore B) Go complain to my boss and try to get me fired I think it's pretty obvious the difference between the two. Not many people are saying that it's great for Destiny to be rude and offensive, but rather the reaction which resulted was unwarranted considering the other options. People who don't like his stream can just not watch it. I don't even watch his stream. But it's not like he did it at a tournament or live event or anything of the sort.
Your two examples don't really fully explain the Destiny situation. If we are going to use the basketball example, "B" would be valid because you would be playing a basketball game as a representative of your company, so it would be justifiable for the person to go to your boss if you called him the n-word during said basketball game.
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On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:01 Frunkis wrote:On May 05 2012 07:38 sevencck wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that his dismissal from Quantic was less about his usage of the words he used, but more about his subsequent defiant insistence that he had done nothing wrong? Not that I necessarily agree with the "community," but if Destiny had simply apologized and said he was wrong, it might have ended at that. I can't speak for the mods, of course, but it seems like he wouldn't have even been banned from TL at that point.
He claims the apology would have been disingenuous, but all that means is that he's not sorry and that he doesn't believe he did anything worthy of an apology. The totality of Destiny's point apparently was that he has free speech, and therefore he can say what he wants and doesn't need to care what the community thinks about it. Cool. If he's gonna blaze his own trail and thumb his nose at the community, however, then noone is to blame but him if the community turns around and rejects him. Not the community, not TL, not the mods, not Quantic, just him.
He dug his own grave with a smile on his face. Hope he's still smiling when he has to lay down in it. He wasn't really racist when he used the words and he wouldn't really be sorry if he apologized. What is people's obsession with meaningless words? Oh wait, I know. It's because acting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous and making people apologize makes people feel powerful. It's pathetic. The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it.
you should really learn the history of these words your talking about. What destiny said "gook" has nothing to do with oppression or slavery. It originally was used for prostitues...and then during the korean war gook ment korean...In a offensive way but still only ment korean.
But if you ment Nigger, it actually wasn't derogatory when it first was used it was just another word which pretty much ment "black" it wasn't until the 1800's during the american revolution that it became derogatory.
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On May 05 2012 08:46 Frunkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:
The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it.
. See what I mean? Getting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous. You can barely contain yourself. Awww do words hurt? How sad. Words don't carry with them slavery and death and whatever melodramatic garbage you can think up. YOU associate those things. YOU choose to be offended and choose to give those words more power than they deserve. Just because you're a racist doesn't mean other people can't use those words and not be a racist. If you used those words with all your thoughts and intents of oppression and despair then yes, maybe you genuinely shouldn't use those words because you clearly have issues. That doesn't mean no one should be able to use those words and that everyone should get the punishment that you would deserve for using them.
This is such a childish point of view, you can honestly believe that all of these people choose to be offended.
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I'm writing this post because i've been a long time stream watcher of destiny's. I've joined the game and the community cause of destiny, he made this game FUN. I wanted to have that fun that he had been having. He showed a lot of us how to better ourselves by explaining a lot of things he does in games. He may not be the best, but hes certainly a lot better that a lot of you. Do you see all these other pros giving out free advice always? no, you dont , Do you see all these other streamers do as much for the community as destiny has? no, you don't. I'm disappointed in TeamLiquid. Banning someones cause of his freedom of speech didnt go the way you wanted. He's right about context of using words and there is even a term for it. The Locutionary act. When you display words that Society doesn't like, why is it bad besides political correctness? It's not, there is no physical harm for this. It's just ignorance at taking a word offensively for very little reason. That being said, ive met destiny irl, and hes a really nice guy. Some of YOU should grow up, you hate on him because he says bad words and raises almost 40k for charity, good on you. You can call me a retarded destiny fanboy ( like the majority of people who dont like destiny ) but then you are being so hypocritical on the situation and using an offensive word such as retard . Cool story bros, lynch moar people that do more for "esports" than you ever will in your entire lifetime.
tl;dr Destiny did more for the community than a lot of people/pros, gets suspended by teamliquid and lynched by people who no nothing of how society and language works. Way to read the warning at the bottom of his stream.
Done with this sheit community.
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On May 05 2012 09:09 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:46 Frunkis wrote:On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:
The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it.
. See what I mean? Getting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous. You can barely contain yourself. Awww do words hurt? How sad. Words don't carry with them slavery and death and whatever melodramatic garbage you can think up. YOU associate those things. YOU choose to be offended and choose to give those words more power than they deserve. Just because you're a racist doesn't mean other people can't use those words and not be a racist. If you used those words with all your thoughts and intents of oppression and despair then yes, maybe you genuinely shouldn't use those words because you clearly have issues. That doesn't mean no one should be able to use those words and that everyone should get the punishment that you would deserve for using them. This is such a childish point of view, you can honestly believe that all of these people choose to be offended.
The majority of those that sent letters out I would guarantee are white males. Yes, it is their choice to be offended. That word doesn't pertain to a white male in anyway, shape, or form. If some one were to call me every racial word for being Jewish, it would be MY choice to get offended(granted I wouldn't be). Words are what you make them. This is coming from a person who doesn't care for Destiny. Hopefully this will have no effect on Destiny whatsoever, and he keeps his personality/stream up though.
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keyboard warriors who have nothing else better to do
I doubt most of them are offended but just purely dislike destiny or do it cause they can.
Kinda sad seeing the community like this
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On May 05 2012 08:46 Frunkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:20 sevencck wrote:
The words you're referring to are not "meaningless." In fact, they carry with them hundreds of years of oppression, slavery, death, despair, and savagery. It's really quite infantile to try to argue those words are meaningless. Perhaps you've never been on the receiving end of derogatory slurs disparaging you for something you can't change and structuring you as an outsider that doesn't belong. Maybe you have, but based on your comment I doubt it.
. See what I mean? Getting offended makes people feel important and self-righteous. You can barely contain yourself. Awww do words hurt? How sad. Words don't carry with them slavery and death and whatever melodramatic garbage you can think up. YOU associate those things. YOU choose to be offended and choose to give those words more power than they deserve. Just because you're a racist doesn't mean other people can't use those words and not be a racist. If you used those words with all your thoughts and intents of oppression and despair then yes, maybe you genuinely shouldn't use those words because you clearly have issues. That doesn't mean no one should be able to use those words and that everyone should get the punishment that you would deserve for using them.
Again, this just seems like nihilism. When you use a word you project a meaning. This is the basis for communication. I don't see the purpose of denying something so obvious. You're quite literally arguing that words have no inherent meaning, yet you're arguing this point to me using words. Are you not set aback by this apparent contradiction? The notion that we are conditioned to respond to words is well taken, but it doesn't preclude the fact that this is the point of words in the first place. I guess you're the only one who is awake enough to see this, and the rest of us are all dozing away, never having considered what you're saying?
"Just because I'm a racist?" Are you really calling me a racist? Without even bothering to argue that point, again, it's interesting that you're using a descriptive word like that to make a point while arguing words carry no inherent meaning. You're right. I associated the meaning of racist when you used that word to describe me (for no apparent reason). You also called me that knowing I would associate that meaning. So what's the difference? I suppose when Destiny used the racial slur what he really meant was "unicorn," and Warden merely bungled the meaning. Destiny obviously meant it in a polite way, no offense was intended. My bad.
Getting offended makes people feel important and self righteous does it? And it's just that simple, I suppose. You're coming across as somewhat self righteous. Are you offended? Do you need to be offended to be self righteous? If not then why bother getting offended if it's your goal to feel important and self righteous? I can tell you that I am not offended. I'm just arguing there is justification for offense being taken, without speaking to whether getting offended over such matters is childish or not. What may be more childish is arguing that it's meaningless if you've never had to face it yourself. People often say guys losing their hair is meaningless, because their is no meaning inherent in our hair either, we are the ones that give having hair meaning. That doesn't make it easier to deal with if you're a guy that's losing his hair.
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