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Dissonance23
United States259 Posts
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RedMorning
Canada117 Posts
If I swear and use racial slurs infront of clients at work, I'm fired. Why? Because I'm representing my company. How is it any different for Destiny to swear and use racial slurs infront of clients (aka people who buy products from his sponsers) and younger kids who look up to him as a role model. If you think he's losing his freedom of speech...please step back and look at the big picture. He's in a position of influence (to a degree) to a fan base. He needs to become more professional...it's simple. No company wants to be associated with racial slurs and constant swearing. Look at this from a corporate stand point, not a protesting teenage/young adult point of view. You'll understand it if you do because companies are in this for money, not to have laughs and fun. | ||
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CcCFlu
Switzerland68 Posts
nice video  User was warned for this post | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:46 Holytornados wrote: I'm on board with this, although a little less abrasively stated. This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit. What does any of this have to do with "free speech"? Everyone has the legal right to say anything they want, just like other people have the legal right to call those same people out. Or even yell out into a crowd and be like, "Hey everyone, check out this asshole and what he's saying." All of that speech is free speech. If anyone is anti-speech, you are on the saying that people "have no right" to state their opinion. Nobody think that Destiny doesn't have the 'right' to say whatever he wants. But private places like this forum also have the right to moderate it as they wish. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:03 Mohdoo wrote: Not productive? People who wanted Destiny gone made it happen and now he'll likely never represent an e-sports organization again. He is no longer someone who can represent "pro gamers" or professional starcraft 2 players. I'd say mission complete, job well done. 1) Destiny is not gone. Most of his income came from streaming and I really doubt this will hurt those numbers much at all 2) He never wanted to represent "esports" or pro-gamers 3) This witch hunt literally accomplished nothing other than possibly pissing off some sponsors which doesn't even effect Destiny. 4) Destiny probably sees this as a positive thing (other than his 30 day suspension from the TL featured stream list) And in the end, once again, the hundred + page drama threads accomplish absolutely nothing at all. Well done fellas. | ||
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peppilepew
93 Posts
+1 destiny | ||
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Fliparoni
205 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:53 Zergmeister wrote: I can do that at my office. Dunno what kind of spineless place you work at. The goverment? Really? So if your boss or a co-worker is a black or asian guy, you can go up to them and say whats up nigger or whats up gook without any consequence? Or how about calling someone a jew bag mother fucker, Or yo bitch ass motherfucker, how's it going? I have to ask, what kind of unprofessional place do you work at? Edit: seeing as how you're from Denmark, things might be different than in the States but still.. | ||
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
Destiny has never been a favorite player of mine, neither has he been one I've hated. In fact, Destiny has given me many laughs on the few times that I've tuned into his stream. E-sports, at least in starcraft 2 is shifting, whether for better or worse I can not guess at, yet. My main problem with this is the fact that certain community members feel like they are entitled to decide how someone can or can not talk. If you don't like how someone presents themselves, that's your right, but do you really feel the need to take it to this level? Not only are you endangering a players career, a player that asks nothing from you except that you watch his games but even worse, you're endangering an entire team. Going after someones rights is absurd and disgusting, going after their paycheck is nearly as bad. I feel like we, as a community have started to slump. I dislike it, yet I can only do my part. I'm sorry this had to end this way Destiny, I am sorry for the bad media Quantic has gotten as well and more importantly, I'm sorry that a small vocal minority feel the need to seek retribution for perceived wounds that are superficial at best. TL&DR Certain members of the community need to mature. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15661 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:09 NotAPro wrote: 1) Destiny is not gone. Most of his income came from streaming and I really doubt this will hurt those numbers much at all 2) He never wanted to represent "esports" or pro-gamers 3) This witch hunt literally accomplished nothing other than possibly pissing off some sponsors which doesn't even effect Destiny. 4) Destiny probably sees this as a positive thing (other than his 30 day suspension from the TL featured stream list) And in the end, once again, the hundred + page drama threads accomplish absolutely nothing at all. Well done fellas. 1. Destiny not being a sponsored player is good enough. He won't be flown to MLG or something 2. Doesn't matter if he wanted to, as a sponsored player by a huge team, he was. 3. I'm sure sponsors are happy to know that he's not representing them  that's why this happened, remember?4. Positive to have a lot less advertising and never be flown to an event again? Does not compute. | ||
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justsayinbro
307 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:57 Mohdoo wrote: This was a good catalyst for him to finally be gone. A lot of people hated the image he gave SC2, but this was the first opportunity for him to actually go. Lol how was this the first opportunity? Just watch his stream and take screenshots. Why weren't you watching his stream to take screenshots and audio clips in order to fight for esports justice? | ||
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drumsetjunky
United States136 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:55 StarStrider wrote: SoTG is the pot and the hosts are the stirrers. Without SoTG and similar shows the issues in this community wouldn't get nearly blown so far out of proportion. I HIGHLY disagree. Without shows like SoTG, LO3, Inside The Game, etc... These issues might not get resolved! Like it or not(which I do) the hosts/pillars of these shows have really good input on tackling these things when they come up. They can help guide the community in how it should respond and react in these situations. I appreciate and welcome the information that comes out of these shows. | ||
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Fliparoni
205 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:11 NoctemSC wrote: I'm going to try to get my point across in a civil manner. Destiny has never been a favorite player of mine, neither has he been one I've hated. In fact, Destiny has given me many laughs on the few times that I've tuned into his stream. E-sports, at least in starcraft 2 is shifting, whether for better or worse I can not guess at, yet. My main problem with this is the fact that certain community members feel like they are entitled to decide how someone can or can not talk. If you don't like how someone presents themselves, that's your right, but do you really feel the need to take it to this level? Not only are you endangering a players career, a player that asks nothing from you except that you watch his games but even worse, you're endangering an entire team. . Just as Destiny feels like he's entitled to use whatever language he likes against anyone he likes, there are other people who feel entitled to report said language to his team and sponsors. What goes around comes around. Nothing too complicated about that. | ||
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MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:07 RedMorning wrote: I look at the situation like this... If I swear and use racial slurs infront of clients at work, I'm fired. Why? Because I'm representing my company. How is it any different for Destiny to swear and use racial slurs infront of clients (aka people who buy products from his sponsers) and younger kids who look up to him as a role model. If you think he's losing his freedom of speech...please step back and look at the big picture. He's in a position of influence (to a degree) to a fan base. He needs to become more professional...it's simple. No company wants to be associated with racial slurs and constant swearing. Look at this from a corporate stand point, not a protesting teenage/young adult point of view. You'll understand it if you do because companies are in this for money, not to have laughs and fun. I don't think it's fair to think of it in terms of his personal stream viewers as clients. He has always had his stream, which he runs on his own, and it has always been this way. His team knew it when they picked him up, so nothing he said or did on it should have been a surprise, his behaviour has pretty much always been like this. I think you'd be right if he did this at a tournament or on a show or at a live event, basically anywhere but his personal stream, since then he would directly be representing his team. But what he does on his own time, in his own place, shouldn't effect what he does at work. If you use racial sluts in front of clients, sure you'd be fired, but if you used them at home you wouldn't. I suppose you can make the argument that it's public enough he shouldn't do it, but I don't think that holds up since they decided to pick him up and sponsor him while knowing he already did all kinds of stuff like this. On May 05 2012 08:09 NotAPro wrote: 1) Destiny is not gone. Most of his income came from streaming and I really doubt this will hurt those numbers much at all 2) He never wanted to represent "esports" or pro-gamers 3) This witch hunt literally accomplished nothing other than possibly pissing off some sponsors which doesn't even effect Destiny. 4) Destiny probably sees this as a positive thing (other than his 30 day suspension from the TL featured stream list) And in the end, once again, the hundred + page drama threads accomplish absolutely nothing at all. Well done fellas. I agree pretty much. He has already come out and said 1 and 2, I strongly agree with 3, and I don't know about 4 or not, I imagine he doesn't care too much in any direction. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
These complaints would appear every few months on Reddit, TL, SOTG, etc. It was only a matter of time before a bunch of people got upset and complained about it, and if it hadn't occurred this time it would've later. Every time he used such language, he risked his career with Quantic, his teammates careers with Quantic, and the careers of players on teams with the same sponsors of Quantic. The guy basically gave up a source of income so he could say "nigger", "gook", and "faggot" on stream in front of 4k people. Not to mention he has a young child to support, which costs a shit ton of money. I can't imagine explaining to my kid that I wanted to be able to call people offensive shit so that's why I don't have the money to buy him new clothes or something. All he had to do was give an apology and censor himself, like he does every tournament - maybe it would've been disingenuous, but the only person who really got hurt here is Destiny and potentially his innocent little kid. It's really sad. I hope he learns to grow up, for his own sake. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:12 Mohdoo wrote: 1. Destiny not being a sponsored player is good enough. He won't be flown to MLG or something 2. Doesn't matter if he wanted to, as a sponsored player by a huge team, he was. 3. I'm sure sponsors are happy to know that he's not representing them that's why this happened, remember?4. Positive to have a lot less advertising and never be flown to an event again? Does not compute. I see you're still missing the point. He makes money by streaming, not by winning events. His avg viewer count has also increased lately (due to the advertising of these threads). There's not such thing as bad publicity and his name has been at the top of SC2 general for a few days now. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:04 below66 wrote: LOL, I FUCKS WITH DEBO, HE AIGHT. User was warned for this post This is possibly the best video I've ever seen... That being said, it is true, it's not like he's actually racist... | ||
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ReaperCo
Sweden46 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:14 Fliparoni wrote: Just as Destiny feels like he's entitled to use whatever language he likes against anyone he likes, there are other people who feel entitled to report said language to his team and sponsors. What goes around comes around. Nothing too complicated about that. Here we go again, he did do that but he's not a fucking racist, this is like the souarez case if not worse. Some people are emotional some are not. Its hard to nog get emotional to cheese like that, its disrespectful to cheese. | ||
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Harbinger631
United States376 Posts
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Strabismus
United Kingdom65 Posts
On May 05 2012 08:09 Fliparoni wrote: Really? So if your boss or a co-worker is a black or asian guy, you can go up to them and say whats up nigger or whats up gook without any consequence? Or how about calling someone a jew bag mother fucker, Or yo bitch ass motherfucker, how's it going? I have to ask, what kind of unprofessional place do you work at? Edit: seeing as how you're from Denmark, things might be different than in the States but still.. I'm guessing he's self employed or something. No professional company in any country allows for such crap. As for all these "the fans being entitled" posts. You do realise this is all circular logic right? Telling people they should shut up for being entitled is basically doing the same thing they are doing but contradicting yourself. | ||
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