EPTIf you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid. | ||
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Bulldog654
United States79 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:34 SuperYo1000 wrote: so he says insulting things and refuses to apologize about it? He has got a lot of growing up to do. Perhaps if the person that he directed his outburst at were to be the bigger man and apologize to Destiny first, Destiny might feel bad and apologize too, who knows maybe they could be friends afterwards. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court. Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. | ||
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Bulldog654
United States79 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:40 genius_man16 wrote: I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset? If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid. Perhaps you err in assuming that the whole of the "community" even wants it to go mainstream. | ||
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Torche
United States9 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote: This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit. Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot. This. This. Holy shit a million times this. I couldn't have worded it better myself. | ||
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hooberschmit
Canada101 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:56 sc14s wrote: finally, idk why they would keep such a mediocre player who started so much drama on their roster.. at least their other "problem" players post results (i.e naniwa) I don't hate the guy but he certainly grated on me and overall didn't represent the community all that well so.. really i think this is for the best. Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever. | ||
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote: I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"? Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court. Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. I sort of disagree. There is a place for anonymous banter and there is a place to act as if you would in real life. Being mainstream and in the public eye is a good place to draw a line imo. | ||
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:44 hooberschmit wrote: Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity. The best what? | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:42 Torche wrote: This. This. Holy shit a million times this. I couldn't have worded it better myself. I'm on board with this, although a little less abrasively stated. | ||
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ahtf
Sweden29 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote: This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit. Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot. [/QUOTE] *removed* | ||
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Zergmeister
Denmark56 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:38 sevencck wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that his dismissal from Quantic was less about his usage of the words he used, but more about his subsequent defiant insistence that he had done nothing wrong? Not that I necessarily agree with the "community," but if Destiny had simply apologized and said he was wrong, it might have ended at that. I can't speak for the mods, of course, but it seems like he wouldn't have even been banned from TL at that point. He claims the apology would have been disingenuous, but all that means is that he's not sorry. The totality of Destiny's point apparently was that he has free speech, and therefore he can say what he wants and doesn't need to care what the community thinks about it. Cool. If he's gonna blaze his own trail and thumb his nose at the community, however, then noone is to blame but him if the community turns around and rejects him. Not the community, not TL, not the mods, not Quantic, just him. He dug his own grave with a smile on his face. Hope he's still smiling when he has to lay down in it. The problem here is that he DID nothing wrong. This "community" on the other hand... This is sick. You guys can have this site for yourself from now on. I'm signing out. I simply can't stay on a side that refuses to accept anything else than their own belives, and where moderators are bashing everyone of that very oppenion. The last thing i want to say is: Do not confuse yourself for the sc2 community. You are the TeamLiquid community, the most selfish and closedminded community out there. Hell, even KKK are open to debate about their belives, hence they are not really racists anymore. User was banned for this post. | ||
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MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:44 Holytornados wrote: I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever. Some feminists would tell you that cunt is the most offensive word you can use. Kike is a racist slur for asians? Idk, I never really see it used. On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote: I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"? Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court. Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it. I don't disagree, I don't think it's necessarily "ok" to act like a dick on the internet when you wouldn't in real life. However, let's follow through with your analogy. If I called you a racist slur on the basketball court, which of the following is more likely: A) You tell me to go fuck myself, and don't play basketball with me anymore B) Go complain to my boss and try to get me fired I think it's pretty obvious the difference between the two. Not many people are saying that it's great for Destiny to be rude and offensive, but rather the reaction which resulted was unwarranted considering the other options. People who don't like his stream can just not watch it. I don't even watch his stream. But it's not like he did it at a tournament or live event or anything of the sort. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Animostas
United States568 Posts
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Daehlie
United States43 Posts
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Strabismus
United Kingdom65 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:42 Torche wrote: This. This. Holy shit a million times this. I couldn't have worded it better myself. Except StarCraft is Destiny's profession and a source of income. If I went round my place of work blurting out racial slurs and insults I would be fired instantly. Not only should he have not acted like that out of human decency, he is also acting like that in an environment where there should be at least some degree of professionalism. On top of all this, he still adamantly believes that acting like a dick in the workplace and keeping your job is a god given right. People waffling on about how cutting a man's source of income is far worse than misconduct in the workplace are overlooking the fact that Destiny did this to himself and he fully deserves the repercussions. | ||
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Zergmeister
Denmark56 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:44 hooberschmit wrote: Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity. Most likely because destiny is many MANY peoples personification of a pro player. Also, what community? This one? No he didn't represent such a foul and hollow community such as the teamliquid one(not the team, this site) | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:40 Bulldog654 wrote: Perhaps if the person that he directed his outburst at were to be the bigger man and apologize to Destiny first, Destiny might feel bad and apologize too, who knows maybe they could be friends afterwards. apologize for playing that race, or apologizing for all-inning him? or apologize for being korean? | ||
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