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genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
May 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#2281
I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset?

If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.

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Bulldog654
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
May 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#2282
On May 05 2012 07:34 SuperYo1000 wrote:
so he says insulting things and refuses to apologize about it? He has got a lot of growing up to do.


Perhaps if the person that he directed his outburst at were to be the bigger man and apologize to Destiny first, Destiny might feel bad and apologize too, who knows maybe they could be friends afterwards.
Dante_A_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States161 Posts
May 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#2283
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?

Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.

Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it.
Bulldog654
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
May 04 2012 22:42 GMT
#2284
On May 05 2012 07:40 genius_man16 wrote:
I have yet to understand how this community absolutely LOVES E-Sports and wants it to go mainstream and yet when something like this happens people get upset?

If you want E-sports to go mainstream, then Destiny using racial slurs needs to stop ASAP. We as a community cannot 'go mainstream' if we continue to embrace people like Destiny when he is quite honestly a giant bigot. He can whine all he wants about "free speech" and how he doesn't use the n-word to offend anyone, but the fact is that the n-word is simply one of, if not THE most offensive word in the english language and you CANNOT use it and pretend like people who are offended by it are stupid.


Perhaps you err in assuming that the whole of the "community" even wants it to go mainstream.
Torche
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
May 04 2012 22:42 GMT
#2285
On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote:
This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit.


Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot.


This. This. Holy shit a million times this.
I couldn't have worded it better myself.
And so it goes.
hooberschmit
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada101 Posts
May 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#2286
On May 04 2012 15:56 sc14s wrote:
finally, idk why they would keep such a mediocre player who started so much drama on their roster.. at least their other "problem" players post results (i.e naniwa) I don't hate the guy but he certainly grated on me and overall didn't represent the community all that well so.. really i think this is for the best.

Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity.
"I gotta do some vacuuming really fast WSHHHHHH" - Day[9]
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
May 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#2287
What the fuck I don't even.....
Don't be asshats
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
May 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#2288
On May 05 2012 07:26 StarStrider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 07:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:
We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread.

I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue.


+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?

It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64)
 
43%

Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51)
 
34%

Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18)
 
12%

Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14)
 
9%

Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2)
 
1%

149 total votes

Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?

(Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.



what is offensive/racial language?


Cunt, Nigger, Kike, Faggot, etc.


I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever.
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Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
May 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#2289
On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote:
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?

Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.

Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it.


I sort of disagree. There is a place for anonymous banter and there is a place to act as if you would in real life. Being mainstream and in the public eye is a good place to draw a line imo.
eSports or die tryin'
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
May 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#2290
On May 05 2012 07:44 hooberschmit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 15:56 sc14s wrote:
finally, idk why they would keep such a mediocre player who started so much drama on their roster.. at least their other "problem" players post results (i.e naniwa) I don't hate the guy but he certainly grated on me and overall didn't represent the community all that well so.. really i think this is for the best.

Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity.



The best what?
eSports or die tryin'
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
May 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#2291
On May 05 2012 07:42 Torche wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote:
This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit.


Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot.


This. This. Holy shit a million times this.
I couldn't have worded it better myself.


I'm on board with this, although a little less abrasively stated.
CLG/Liquid ~~ youtube.com/reddedgaming
ahtf
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden29 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 22:58:20
May 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#2292
[QUOTE]On May 05 2012 07:42 Torche wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote:
This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit.


Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot.

[/QUOTE]

*removed*
Zergmeister
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark56 Posts
May 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#2293
On May 05 2012 07:38 sevencck wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that his dismissal from Quantic was less about his usage of the words he used, but more about his subsequent defiant insistence that he had done nothing wrong? Not that I necessarily agree with the "community," but if Destiny had simply apologized and said he was wrong, it might have ended at that. I can't speak for the mods, of course, but it seems like he wouldn't have even been banned from TL at that point.

He claims the apology would have been disingenuous, but all that means is that he's not sorry. The totality of Destiny's point apparently was that he has free speech, and therefore he can say what he wants and doesn't need to care what the community thinks about it. Cool. If he's gonna blaze his own trail and thumb his nose at the community, however, then noone is to blame but him if the community turns around and rejects him. Not the community, not TL, not the mods, not Quantic, just him.

He dug his own grave with a smile on his face. Hope he's still smiling when he has to lay down in it.


The problem here is that he DID nothing wrong.
This "community" on the other hand... This is sick. You guys can have this site for yourself from now on. I'm signing out.
I simply can't stay on a side that refuses to accept anything else than their own belives, and where moderators are bashing everyone of that very oppenion.

The last thing i want to say is: Do not confuse yourself for the sc2 community. You are the TeamLiquid community, the most selfish and closedminded community out there. Hell, even KKK are open to debate about their belives, hence they are not really racists anymore.

User was banned for this post.
How do it feel to know, that the only a*s you'll ever get in life, is when you hand slips through the toliet paper?
MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
May 04 2012 22:51 GMT
#2294
On May 05 2012 07:44 Holytornados wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 07:26 StarStrider wrote:
On May 05 2012 07:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:
We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread.

I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue.


+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?

It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64)
 
43%

Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51)
 
34%

Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18)
 
12%

Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14)
 
9%

Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2)
 
1%

149 total votes

Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?

(Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.



what is offensive/racial language?


Cunt, Nigger, Kike, Faggot, etc.


I don't really see how cunt is offensive, and I've never personally heard the word Kike ever.


Some feminists would tell you that cunt is the most offensive word you can use. Kike is a racist slur for asians? Idk, I never really see it used.

On May 05 2012 07:40 Dante_A_ wrote:
I believe you should act online the way you would act in real life. As people have noted, it seems unlikely that Destiny (or others) would use such offensive language in real life. Why is it suddenly OK just because its online and "just a game"?

Pickup basketball is also just a game, yet it would be a pretty big offense to use these words to strangers on a basketball court.

Acting in a brazen and offensive manner online just because you can avoid the repercussions that would follow in real life is no excuse to do it.


I don't disagree, I don't think it's necessarily "ok" to act like a dick on the internet when you wouldn't in real life. However, let's follow through with your analogy. If I called you a racist slur on the basketball court, which of the following is more likely:

A) You tell me to go fuck myself, and don't play basketball with me anymore
B) Go complain to my boss and try to get me fired

I think it's pretty obvious the difference between the two. Not many people are saying that it's great for Destiny to be rude and offensive, but rather the reaction which resulted was unwarranted considering the other options. People who don't like his stream can just not watch it. I don't even watch his stream. But it's not like he did it at a tournament or live event or anything of the sort.
IMHope
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)1241 Posts
May 04 2012 22:51 GMT
#2295
It's sad to see things like these happen but I guess it was inevitable. Still wish the best for both Destiny and Quantic and maybe we can all learn from this incident.
Jessica Jung, Kim Taeyeon, Kwon Yuri <333
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
May 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#2296
Looking back, has the SC2 community really gotten anything out of this? We've "cleaned up" the "racism and hate speech" but now we're going to start scaring sponsors away.
Daehlie
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
May 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#2297
Professional eSports players cannot have it both ways. They cannot enter the public sphere as a facsimile for a professional athlete, receive payment from sponsors, and then act shocked when their sponsors expect a level of professionalism from them. If you want to continue to voice whatever pops into your head on your stream, so be it, its a free country, but don't be surprised if a sponsor does not want to be associated with those positions. In this regard I think Destiny did realize this and did the right thing by stepping aside. My ire is less directed at Destiny and more directed at the remainder of the professional players in the scene. Surrendering a portion of your freedom is the price of being a public spokesperson for sponsors, its the same in literally every industry.
SK.MC ftw
Strabismus
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
May 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#2298
On May 05 2012 07:42 Torche wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:01 nGBeast wrote:
This is a fucking disgrace, he's getting punished because the white knight TL/Reddit idiots decided he's not allowed to use word/words protected by his free speech. Before anyone replies remember that you don't have to like what people say, but you have no right telling them they can't say it. Grow a fucking backbone. That's whats wrong with you people, you assume your given the right to take away someones free speech because you think a set of words are "hurtful". This is what wrong with society today, you think your entitled to this bullshit.


Also if Warden reads this message, how about you tell everyone you were calling people retards at the St Louis LAN back when you were on xi. I bet people with disabilities wouldn't like that either, kettle meet pot.


This. This. Holy shit a million times this.
I couldn't have worded it better myself.



Except StarCraft is Destiny's profession and a source of income. If I went round my place of work blurting out racial slurs and insults I would be fired instantly. Not only should he have not acted like that out of human decency, he is also acting like that in an environment where there should be at least some degree of professionalism. On top of all this, he still adamantly believes that acting like a dick in the workplace and keeping your job is a god given right.


People waffling on about how cutting a man's source of income is far worse than misconduct in the workplace are overlooking the fact that Destiny did this to himself and he fully deserves the repercussions.
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Zergmeister
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark56 Posts
May 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#2299
On May 05 2012 07:44 hooberschmit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 15:56 sc14s wrote:
finally, idk why they would keep such a mediocre player who started so much drama on their roster.. at least their other "problem" players post results (i.e naniwa) I don't hate the guy but he certainly grated on me and overall didn't represent the community all that well so.. really i think this is for the best.

Destiny was the best reprentation of the starcraft comunity.


Most likely because destiny is many MANY peoples personification of a pro player.

Also, what community? This one? No he didn't represent such a foul and hollow community such as the teamliquid one(not the team, this site)
How do it feel to know, that the only a*s you'll ever get in life, is when you hand slips through the toliet paper?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#2300
On May 05 2012 07:40 Bulldog654 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 07:34 SuperYo1000 wrote:
so he says insulting things and refuses to apologize about it? He has got a lot of growing up to do.


Perhaps if the person that he directed his outburst at were to be the bigger man and apologize to Destiny first, Destiny might feel bad and apologize too, who knows maybe they could be friends afterwards.

apologize for playing that race, or apologizing for all-inning him? or apologize for being korean?
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