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On May 05 2012 05:48 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:45 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Apparently having morals, and pursuing your morals to a conclusion, is now looked down on as being self righteous or elitist? YES, damn it. You don't get to force others to conform to your beliefs! Yo, no one forced him to do anything.
How can you say that?
I mean... no, no one went to his home and physically forced him to things. But this whole situation is about people attempting to force him to comply with their wishes, or else face whatever consequences they are able to impose on him.
If I point a gun at you and demand your wallet, would you say that I'm not forcing you to give me your wallet, because you still get to choose your actions in that situation? Let's not turn this into an argument of semantics.
Perhaps my response should have been "You don't get to attempt to force others to conform with your beliefs." Is that clearer?
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On May 05 2012 05:49 adrenaLinG wrote:
You clearly have no idea how TV shows are syndicated.
On May 05 2012 05:49 Leth0 wrote:
No, sponsors do not go to a television show and offer sponsorship, they go to the network. Here's another revelation for you, the network is also what buys the rights to air a television show.
They go to the network to get availability and pricing. Then they have to choose during which show and slot they want their ads to be featured.
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On May 05 2012 05:42 RusHXceL wrote:
Why did Destiny left Quantic?? srs question.
Destiny lives of the controversy/entertainment of his stream. And that involves profanities and morally questionable behaviour. So both parties agreed that it is in their best interest to part ways
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On May 05 2012 05:51 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:48 RusHXceL wrote:On May 05 2012 05:45 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 RusHXceL wrote:
Why did Destiny left Quantic?? srs question. Maybe read the OP before posting? Seriously.................... srs where does it say what happen on stream. I would like u to point it out There were a few options on the table when we were discussing things, but all of the options left Quantic in a really rough position. The fact of the matter is, me leaving Quantic or forfeiting any sponsorship really doesn't hurt my income, or affect me, much at all. But it would be devastating to certain parts of Quantic if things continued down this road (and still might be, though there's not much that can be done at this point).Your question was why did he leave Quantin NOT what did he do on stream. Why he left Quantic is clearly indicated here.
what happen on stream then.
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On May 05 2012 05:41 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? Um, no. If I express myself how I want (and this is just an argument, because your logic is abysmal), and it uses that language, there is no difference whatsoever. There is a larger difference in me using the word "nigger," and me saying "all niggers should burn and be wiped from the face of the earth." One is hate speech, and one is just a word. This makes no sense, because regardless of what context you use nigger in, people are going to assume you mean it in the most offensive way possible. It doesn't matter if you say "That nigger is going to the store" Or "All niggers should burn". Also I find it pretty funny you took what I said and responded that if you feel the need to express your racism, you would use racist language. No shit? Racist or ignorant people tend to do that. My point was that you can express your viewpoints without being demeaning to an entire group of people if you aren't a racist, and aren't ignorant. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:
If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. If that's part of their personality, then of course; you seem to be implying that I'm for hate speech or the actions against certain groups or ethnicities. That's a terrible thing to put in my mouth. There are a line of comedians that make money off that type of language. There are also people part of organizations and gangs that have it in their best interest to be able to speak that way. And was an attack really necessary? Ones in need of psychiatric help would be the individuals that cannot cope when they see or hear certain words or phrases. It's like individuals that seek assistance in overcoming irrational fears that they have; this is no different. What are you even arguing for here? I don't find it acceptable that comedians make their careers off saying "nigger" or anything else along those lines. I honestly think if you can't express yourself (and you aren't racist) without having to use racist slurs, then yes you need to go to therapy or something.
To address your post my points are in bold.
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Yeah i know its pretty hard to imagine but some of the ppl who spoke up on this ussue might actually be "gooks" or "niggers" who really felt offended. Yes the Starcraft community actually consists of black and asien ppl aswell. Even tho the everage whiteguy might not belive it.
Destiny had it coming and his stance of not apollogizing actually was the nail in the coffin.
To all the Destiny supporters i can only say: try having a job, you will soon realize that there are basic rules of interaction that might not get you in trouble with the law but with the ppl you have to interact with.
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On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.
Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".
Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.
Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.
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Okay, I want to say something here. There is a really big difference between just saying a word like "nigga" and calling an asian person a gook. Think about it IRL, you may use the n-word regularly with your friends or casually. But if an African American walks into you on the sidewalk, you don't call him a nigger. Why? Because it would be unbelievably racist and horrendously offensive! There's also a big difference between an insult used in jest, and an insult meant to hurt someone.
Destiny saw the Korean writing in the chat he knew his opponent was asian; he didn't use the term in jest, he wasn't using it casually. He was pissed and in his reaction used a racial slur against his opponent; it was meant to hurt and offend him at the greatest degree. Comparing this to HuK tweeting "nigga" is an absurd straw man argument.
I'm not arguing whether Destiny should or should not have been fired, frankly I'm not sure I even care. But what he did was certainly on a different level of sevarity than the other things this guy mentioned. Destiny also has a long history of conducting himself poorly and being generally offensive. This wasn't a one time deal like the alleged offense Incontrol caused this female gamer. This was part of a larger pattern of behavior.
As far as Idra goes, EG owner Alex has mentioned before that he has spoken to Greg about some of the things he has said. EG has clamped down on it. Idra has also been banned from TL a whopping 21 times, including both a 30 day and a 90 day. So don't try to argue that there haven't been repercussions for Idra. I'll conceed perhaps the reaction hasn't been as severe, but then Idra has been in this community far longer than just about any foriegner. I think his veteran status affords him some leeway in the pro-gaming scene in the minds of the fans.
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On May 05 2012 05:49 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:47 jazzyjazz wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 RusHXceL wrote:
Why did Destiny left Quantic?? srs question. He didn't leave Quantic. Quantic kicked him off the team because he kept on saying racist/derogatory comments on his stream which tarnishes the reputation of Quantic. Don't know if you read the OP, but Destiny makes it clear that it was ultimately his choice to leave.
We don't know if that's true or not. Sometimes an employer will give you the option of leaving rather than firing or cutting a player/employee. What it does say is at the very least Quantic liked Destiny enough not to just cut him over this in order to send a message. That's better treatment than what Orb got. But to me it wouldn't make sense for Destiny to choose to leave, given that he doesn't think he did anything wrong.
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On May 05 2012 05:56 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:49 adrenaLinG wrote:
You clearly have no idea how TV shows are syndicated. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:49 Leth0 wrote:
No, sponsors do not go to a television show and offer sponsorship, they go to the network. Here's another revelation for you, the network is also what buys the rights to air a television show. They go to the network to get availability and pricing. Then they have to choose during which show and slot they want their ads to be featured.
And at no point during that entire process are the television show producers involved.
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On May 05 2012 05:50 bre1010 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:55 give.ViviD wrote:
huhuhu, the starcraft 2 community is starting to become infamous I feel like this guy on the first page is right. I'm going to college next year and when I tell people I play Starcraft I don't want the first thing people say to be something about how I must be part of a fucking witch hunt that is never satisfied. I'd rather be accused of raging too hard. I'm glad Destiny plugged his stream so that I know where to find him now.
Go check out your prospective school's policy on hate speech. You've got a lot to learn at college, kid.
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On May 05 2012 05:52 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:33 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about. We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me. No , but when a kid gets mad over a video game and resorts to calling his opponent a racial slur then he is no better than the racists who use the word in the same inflammatory manner. And who are you to say whether he's no better than a racist or not? The bigger question should even be why does anyone ever care what the dude says on his stream in the first place? Like i haven't even read 1 argument as to why anyone even cares? Actually lets see if he's done anything to show or prove he's racist. Has destiny called a black player a nigger on stream? No ok then ... well how about calling someone with mental disabilities a retard? Hrmmm nope again. Well shit maybe he's actually called a homosexual a faggot then? Wait he hasn't? Well god damn. Has he raised money for charity benefiting mostly non white people? Well yeah, he has actually ( funny how nobody actually talks about this one ... go figure there) Mother fucker must be racist!!! To be fair he has said those words out of frustration, but Idra, machine, and incontrol at some point have used the word gay or fag on stream at some point ... yet nobody's e-mailing their sponsors bitching ... funny how that works, hell idra gave chris the finger and yelled "fuck you" at him at mlg that had young kids in the crowd .... nobodies e-mailing sponsors bitching about that either. If your complaining about destiny but not a good 60% of pro gamers out there, or the ones i previously mentioned then your a fucking hypocrite and have business bitching about anything.
Well he called a Korean a gook and that was where this entire thing started from, so good on you for doing your due diligence
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On May 05 2012 05:52 ProBot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:33 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about. We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me. No , but when a kid gets mad over a video game and resorts to calling his opponent a racial slur then he is no better than the racists who use the word in the same inflammatory manner. And who are you to say whether he's no better than a racist or not? The bigger question should even be why does anyone ever care what the dude says on his stream in the first place? Like i haven't even read 1 argument as to why anyone even cares? Actually lets see if he's done anything to show or prove he's racist. Has destiny called a black player a nigger on stream? No ok then ... well how about calling someone with mental disabilities a retard? Hrmmm nope again. Well shit maybe he's actually called a homosexual a faggot then? Wait he hasn't? Well god damn. Has he raised money for charity benefiting mostly non white people? Well yeah, he has actually ( funny how nobody actually talks about this one ... go figure there) Mother fucker must be racist!!! To be fair he has said those words out of frustration, but Idra, machine, and incontrol at some point have used the word gay or fag on stream at some point ... yet nobody's e-mailing their sponsors bitching ... funny how that works, hell idra gave chris the finger and yelled "fuck you" at him at mlg that had young kids in the crowd .... nobodies e-mailing sponsors bitching about that either. If your complaining about destiny but not a good 60% of pro gamers out there, or the ones i previously mentioned then your a fucking hypocrite and have business bitching about anything.
he called a korean player a "gook."
edit: ninja'd by adrenaling
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On May 05 2012 05:55 BlackGosu wrote:
I always supported TL's good community, but I gotta wonder this time, what are the moderators thinking?
I was wondering about that in the original thread. I can't believe it was allowed to run as rampant as it did. And now this happens.
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On May 05 2012 05:59 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:50 bre1010 wrote:On May 04 2012 15:55 give.ViviD wrote:
huhuhu, the starcraft 2 community is starting to become infamous I feel like this guy on the first page is right. I'm going to college next year and when I tell people I play Starcraft I don't want the first thing people say to be something about how I must be part of a fucking witch hunt that is never satisfied. I'd rather be accused of raging too hard. I'm glad Destiny plugged his stream so that I know where to find him now. Go check out your prospective school's policy on hate speech. You've got a lot to learn at college, kid.
This kind of thing is so ironic, because when I tell people I play SC I don't want them thinking of people like Destiny who casually throw out language so offensive like it has always meant "stupid", and associating them with how I must act.
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On May 05 2012 05:56 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:48 Tehs Tehklz wrote:On May 05 2012 05:45 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Apparently having morals, and pursuing your morals to a conclusion, is now looked down on as being self righteous or elitist? YES, damn it. You don't get to force others to conform to your beliefs! Yo, no one forced him to do anything. How can you say that? I mean... no, no one went to his home and physically forced him to things. But this whole situation is about people attempting to force him to comply with their wishes, or else face whatever consequences they are able to impose on him. If I point a gun at you and demand your wallet, would you say that I'm not forcing you to give me your wallet, because you still get to choose your actions in that situation? Let's not turn this into an argument of semantics. Perhaps my response should have been "You don't get to attempt to force others to conform with your beliefs." Is that clearer?
Quantic and Team Liquid are privately owned organizations. They can force Destiny to conform to whatever standards they want as long as he wants to continue being a part of them. If he doesn't want to, then he can feel free to go stream somewhere else or play for another team.
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On May 05 2012 05:57 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.
Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".
Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.
Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.
User was banned for this post. Okay, I want to say something here. There is a really big difference between just saying a word like "nigga" and calling an asian person a gook. Think about it IRL, you may use the n-word regularly with your friends or casually. But if an African American walks into you on the sidewalk, you don't call him a nigger. Why? Because it would be unbelievably racist and horrendously offensive! There's also a big difference between an insult used in jest, and an insult meant to hurt someone. Destiny saw the Korean writing in the chat he knew his opponent was asian; he didn't use the term in jest, he wasn't using it casually. He was pissed and in his reaction used a racial slur against his opponent; it was meant to hurt and offend him at the greatest degree. Comparing this to HuK tweeting "nigga" is an absurd straw man argument. I'm not arguing whether Destiny should or should not have been fired, frankly I'm not sure I even care. But what he did was certainly on a different level of sevarity than the other things this guy mentioned. Destiny also has a long history of conducting himself poorly and being generally offensive. This wasn't a one time deal like the alleged offense Incontrol caused this female gamer. This was part of a larger pattern of behavior. As far as Idra goes, EG owner Alex has mentioned before that he has spoken to Greg about some of the things he has said. EG has clamped down on it. Idra has also been banned from TL a whopping 21 times, including both a 30 day and a 90 day. So don't try to argue that there haven't been repercussions for Idra. I'll conceed perhaps the reaction hasn't been as severe, but then Idra has been in this community far longer than just about any foriegner. I think his veteran status affords him some leeway in the pro-gaming scene in the minds of the fans.
Why did Quantic even bother picking him up, they knew exactly what they were getting into with his past history, essentially they said by teaming with him: "we know who he is and we're ok with that" and now all the sudden when advertisers get contacted they renig. What the fuck did they expect.
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On May 05 2012 05:40 StarStrider wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:39 nagual wrote:
It was very clear, when Nani was bashed all-around in context of his game with Nestea, that this community absolutely LOVE witch hunting. Passion that went in the wrong direction. It is kind of sad to observe how the community changes over time, because it changes not in a good way. Year ago, when I first discovered TL and SC2 scene, I was overwhelmed with freindliness and good spirit. And now shit is flying in the air almost every week. Sad story, bro. I feel this exact same way. Almost makes me not want to be a part anymore. It's just pathetic.
The notion of holding "public figures" responsible for what they say and do is a GOOD thing. It's a time honored tradition in fact. Players, casters, leagues and other eSports organizations need to realize that the community holds more power than ever before. Good or bad, right or wrong. Sponsors need to also realize this, using WISDOM, and take some of what the community spews out with a grain of salt.
This mindless mob mentality is a symptom of success.
Organizations(players, teams, leagues) need to come to some agreement with sponsors on a protocol for these incidents.
Dropping a player off of a team or a caster out of a league is NOT the answer.
OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT BETTER BECAUSE OF THESE WITCH HUNTS, WE LOSE MORE THAN WE GAIN WHEN WE CRUCIFY SOMEONE FOR WHAT WE DEEM AS A MISTAKE.
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On May 05 2012 06:00 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:52 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:33 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about. We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me. No , but when a kid gets mad over a video game and resorts to calling his opponent a racial slur then he is no better than the racists who use the word in the same inflammatory manner. And who are you to say whether he's no better than a racist or not? The bigger question should even be why does anyone ever care what the dude says on his stream in the first place? Like i haven't even read 1 argument as to why anyone even cares? Actually lets see if he's done anything to show or prove he's racist. Has destiny called a black player a nigger on stream? No ok then ... well how about calling someone with mental disabilities a retard? Hrmmm nope again. Well shit maybe he's actually called a homosexual a faggot then? Wait he hasn't? Well god damn. Has he raised money for charity benefiting mostly non white people? Well yeah, he has actually ( funny how nobody actually talks about this one ... go figure there) Mother fucker must be racist!!! To be fair he has said those words out of frustration, but Idra, machine, and incontrol at some point have used the word gay or fag on stream at some point ... yet nobody's e-mailing their sponsors bitching ... funny how that works, hell idra gave chris the finger and yelled "fuck you" at him at mlg that had young kids in the crowd .... nobodies e-mailing sponsors bitching about that either. If your complaining about destiny but not a good 60% of pro gamers out there, or the ones i previously mentioned then your a fucking hypocrite and have business bitching about anything. he called a korean player a "gook." edit: ninja'd by adrenaling
Which, as an asian, I find rather humorous ^_^
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On May 05 2012 06:00 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:52 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:33 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:12 divito wrote:On May 05 2012 04:57 BlueLanterna wrote:
Choosing to be offended shows you actually have interest in making sure the SC2 community is a place you can join without seeing insults directly at your heritage or race, regardless if you mean it or not. Just like the fighting game nerds wanting to keep saying "RAPE THAT HO" even though some female players would love to play and are driven away by such immaturity. Sorry if you don't care to see that. I'd rather see freedom to express yourself however you want, and a community that understands individuality. I abhor where we are headed as a community, where the mass of complainers suck the personality out of players and casters, and there ends up being a debate thread over every little action. I find it incredibly disturbing that people that can't handle things psychologically are driving the nature of things in this community (and in life in general), because it breeds the status quo. We will slowly lose logical and critical thinking when we're programming younger people to jump at the sight of certain words, phrases, or actions without concern for the context, history or analytical aspects associated with that that they're whining about. Do you understand that there is a difference between expressing yourself how you want, and using language which is inflammatory to an entire group of people? If you really think not being able to say gook and nigger is robbing people of their personality, get out of this community and get some psychiatric help. I completely disagree with you. People are using these certain words and phrases precisely because they DONT understand the context, or the history behind what they're whining about. We're talking about the same language the same group of peoples use to describe themselves in every second sentence right? And it seems like every other racial group in the world can use as well (Listen to asian / hispanic rappers they drop the n bomb just as much as black cats ) .... However whenever a white person uses it regardless of context it's racist? That sure makes sense to me. No , but when a kid gets mad over a video game and resorts to calling his opponent a racial slur then he is no better than the racists who use the word in the same inflammatory manner. And who are you to say whether he's no better than a racist or not? The bigger question should even be why does anyone ever care what the dude says on his stream in the first place? Like i haven't even read 1 argument as to why anyone even cares? Actually lets see if he's done anything to show or prove he's racist. Has destiny called a black player a nigger on stream? No ok then ... well how about calling someone with mental disabilities a retard? Hrmmm nope again. Well shit maybe he's actually called a homosexual a faggot then? Wait he hasn't? Well god damn. Has he raised money for charity benefiting mostly non white people? Well yeah, he has actually ( funny how nobody actually talks about this one ... go figure there) Mother fucker must be racist!!! To be fair he has said those words out of frustration, but Idra, machine, and incontrol at some point have used the word gay or fag on stream at some point ... yet nobody's e-mailing their sponsors bitching ... funny how that works, hell idra gave chris the finger and yelled "fuck you" at him at mlg that had young kids in the crowd .... nobodies e-mailing sponsors bitching about that either. If your complaining about destiny but not a good 60% of pro gamers out there, or the ones i previously mentioned then your a fucking hypocrite and have business bitching about anything. Well he called a Korean a gook and that was where this entire thing started from, so good on you for doing your due diligence
Clearly racist lolz
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On May 05 2012 05:56 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:48 Tehs Tehklz wrote:On May 05 2012 05:45 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Apparently having morals, and pursuing your morals to a conclusion, is now looked down on as being self righteous or elitist? YES, damn it. You don't get to force others to conform to your beliefs! Yo, no one forced him to do anything. How can you say that? I mean... no, no one went to his home and physically forced him to things. But this whole situation is about people attempting to force him to comply with their wishes, or else face whatever consequences they are able to impose on him. If I point a gun at you and demand your wallet, would you say that I'm not forcing you to give me your wallet, because you still get to choose your actions in that situation? Let's not turn this into an argument of semantics. Perhaps my response should have been "You don't get to attempt to force others to conform with your beliefs." Is that clearer?
So, someone pointed a gun at Destiny and said "say 'gook' one more time, motherfucker. I dare you!"
No, man. They informed him sponsors of his behavior - HIS behavior - and his sponsors apparently voiced their displeasure to his team.
If you think asking someone not use racial slurs is the same as forcibly compelling a person to abandon their morals in favor of yours, then I really do not know what to say to you.
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