EPTBut for this one, eh, I dunno. At the very least, it feels more justified if nothing else.
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
But for this one, eh, I dunno. At the very least, it feels more justified if nothing else. | ||
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
I don't have a problem with Destiny being Destiny, he does his thing and makes money by entertaining through his stream and that is fine, but people like that (those who cannot or will not behave professionally) should not be on a team. Professional organizations require professionals who will act the part in terms of their public behavior, and Destiny is just not a professional person. Props to Destiny for leaving the team by his own will though, hopefully that helps ease the tension between Quantic and their sponsors, which doesn't sound like it is going too well at this point. | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
You're blindness is amusing. What Destiny does doesn't affect only him, but the image of the community as a whole. And you didn't answer my question. And it's not a matter of not liking it, I don't mind actually, but don't bitch about suffering the consequences of your attitude. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
Everything about this situation was summed up, for me, in that telling screen shot. Destiny was angry and frustrated that he lost to what he felt was inferior play, and as a punishment or retaliation for that, he had to make the other person feel that same anger and frustration. So, he reached for what he thought of first -- an Asian slur for someone with an Asian screen name -- in the hope that it would in some way hurt his opponent. Now, Destiny may not hate Asian people, or even dislike them. But when you use loaded, historically racist words, soaked in years of shit, you can't hang them out on the line and expect everyone to be fine with the smell. Those words have hurt people in the past and continue to hurt people today. Pretending that using them casually (like when you want to anger an anonymous Asian person so you call him a "gook") somehow dilutes their power makes it seem like you're drawing your philosophy from a half-understood George Carlin bit, and not from the pragmatic, real world we all live in together. This hallmark-card notion of "things can only hurt you if you let them" is ludicrous and everyone here has first hand evidence of that. We've all been irrationally mad before. We all have emotional buttons that someone, somewhere, could push and hurt us. Some of those buttons are personal and hidden deep inside, but some of them are worn on our sleeves, or even deeper, in our skin. It's clear that some people in this thread view that very real hurt as just collateral damage in their self-righteous war on the windmills of political correctness. Destiny isn't tearing down any walls here. We're not advancing towards a new, more enlightened stance on race issues by integrating institutionalized racist terms into our every day vocabulary. We're just constantly reminding each other of how shitty we used to be, and how shitty we can still be today. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:07 ProBot wrote: Not so much, more of the common sense to see past the words and to actually get the meaning. A for effort tho, it was almost clever. My fault for not spelling it out for you tho. So what is the meaning behind him insulting a Korean player on ladder by calling him a gook? I'm pretty interested in what shit your brain will cook up on that one. | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:08 Chocobo wrote: Heh, yeah... honestly I had a pretty low opinion of Destiny before this. I had little respect for him, but I found his stream very entertaining. Sort of like watching Cartman from South Park in real life, plus I get to learn and improve my zerg game. But I've gained respect for him, seeing how he has handled this situation. Free speech is not the issue here. Obviously every form of speech used in this entire situation is legal and everyone was within their rights to speak it. The issue (to me) is about this question: what should you do if you disapprove of someone else's actions? The primary two options here are A) ignore him, stop supporting him, avoid him, have nothing to do with him, and B) demand that he change, demand that his employer exert their power over him, essentially threatening him with harm if he doesn't comply and following through on that threat when he refuses. I strongly believe that A is the right course of action, and that B is uncalled for and highly inappropriate. They did not demand that he change. They simply informed his sponsors that they could not, in good conscience, give their money to a company that supports the use of racial slurs in this manner. That is it. They "stopped supporting him". | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16386 Posts
and you can also take it 1 step further and refuse to purchase the products of his sponsors | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: many people have over simplified Destiny's transgressions into merely using "racist words". he uses rape metaphors and also makes homophobic comments. if i listened to his stream more closely i might probably be able to pick up on other stuff. the odd time i've clicked on his stream i either get rape metaphors, racism, or homophobic stuff. if you've ever worked in a setting with women .... rape metaphors will get you reprimanded immediately. does any one on here like.. actually have .. a real girlfriend? how far does laughing about and comparing military tactics to rape ... how far does that go ? add it all up and this guy just had to go. if we want to expand this game beyond a male audience then rape metaphors have got to stop. "the customer is always right." if a woman wants to buy a good video card from AMD and she tells AMD she does not want to hear the people AMD sponsors using rape as a verb or adjective every minute then guess what? AMD will contact the team. the team will contact the sponsored player. and the player will either shut up or leave the team. Please provide some evidence of how often Destiny uses rape metaphors other than that one video highlight at his youtube uploader. While he does call opponents faggots and sometimes going as far as stepping into racist words, I rarely hear him using rape metaphors. Maybe I'm not listening well enough or maybe you're talking out of your ass to try to make it sound as bad as possible? He says racist shit and call people names on the ladder but being regurarly extremely derogatory or offensive things to or about women on his stream is something I don't experience ever. Then again I'm european and only watch him during his early or late hours so maybe I only see the calm Destiny. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:05 jxx wrote: Everyone defending this guy, I would ask: What would happen if Destiny were a football/basketball player or whatever, imagine him behaving like that in a professional environment. What would happen? Destiny never acts like this in person or at competitions. He only does it on his stream, during which time he attempts to be entertaining by saying whatever is on his mind and not censoring himself. | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:08 LF9 wrote: Destiny is a no skill douchebag, but it's absolutely WRONG for people to be policed for their beliefs and speech to the point of getting kicked from teams and the like. I would have thought him getting the boot was GOOD news, because he's not really a pro gamer, just a streamer, but this is actually sickening news because it shows the poor state the community is in. What is this, 1984? Grow up. If you don't like what someone is saying or it offends you, TURN IT OFF. It's not fucking hard. If you have children and are worried about what THEY are exposed to, then DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND BE A PARENT. I like watching (American) football, but am I going to contact the sponsorship of the New York Jets because Tim Tebow is an obnoxious fundamentalist christian assbag and try to get him fired just because I dislike his beliefs? And, more importantly, would ANYONE listen? Fuck no. Take the NFL as a legitimate professional model. If people wrote letters to NFL sponsors saying Tebow's christianity offends them, they wouldn't even get so much as a letter back, and the talentless virgin would continue to get rich for not knowing how to throw a football. But that's the professional model, and I wish esports would adapt to it, otherwise you have what happened here; the "public" (SC2 community) can get unpopular people fired at will by whining about political correctness. This is downright ridiculous. Anyone that actually REPORTS A PLAYER TO THEIR SPONSORS for what they say, you should fucking kill yourself right now, you self righteous cocksucker. I would of phrased it a little nicer, but I agree with most of this. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote: Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? Leave the store, or ask for another salesperson. Or ignore it and let him help you anyway. | ||
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Ponera
Canada596 Posts
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
So I guess the black people who didn't like being lynched should have moved north? The if you don't like it turn off the stream is such a fail point, that I can't believe people still make it. Clearly if you are a sponsored player you need to act and behave in a certain manner to maintain said sponsorship. When Destiny is streaming, he is not only representing himself, but also his team and sponsors. When Destiny is streaming, he is working. When one is working, one has to behave in a certain manner or you will get let go or fired or sued. I enjoy watching Destiny stream EXCEPT for when he says totally stupid/insensitive shit. He can be just as if not MORE entertaining by being intelligent, not by going the LCD(lowest common denominator) route. | ||
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MetalSlug
Germany443 Posts
You can not turn off who you meet on ladder. Which is what happend to OP. He won a game on ladder and was therefor accused of being a gook. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16386 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:10 lindn wrote: Please provide some evidence of how often Destiny uses rape metaphors other than that one video highlight at his youtube uploader. While he does call opponents faggots and sometimes going as far as stepping into racist words, I rarely hear him using rape metaphors. Maybe I'm not listening well enough or maybe you're talking out of your ass to try to make it sound as bad as possible? i dont listen to him often enough to provide this "evidence". and i'm not wasting my energy on it. have fun splitting hairs  in my normal work day... i dont feel like i'm "emotionally inhibited" because i'm not allowed to use rape metaphors. when i accomplish some task at work... i just let it speak for itself. streaming is a major source of income for this guy ? right? | ||
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Anomi
Sweden149 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:05 jxx wrote: Everyone defending this guy, I would ask: What would happen if Destiny were a football/basketball player or whatever, imagine him behaving like that in a professional environment. What would happen? I bet everyone here wants e-sports to be taken seriously, but when it comes to professionalism and being responsible people seem to forget about it, and then they bitch about not being taken seriously. Here is your answer. There was an Incident with Luis Suarez using the word Negro in premiuer legue i think and he ended up getting suspended and apologising saying he wont use the word again. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4039719/Luis-Suarez-apology-Suarez-says-sorry-but-not-to-Patrice-Evra.html | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote: Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no? | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:08 LF9 wrote: Destiny is a no skill douchebag, but it's absolutely WRONG for people to be policed for their beliefs and speech to the point of getting kicked from teams and the like. I would have thought him getting the boot was GOOD news, because he's not really a pro gamer, just a streamer, but this is actually sickening news because it shows the poor state the community is in. What is this, 1984? Grow up. If you don't like what someone is saying or it offends you, TURN IT OFF. It's not fucking hard. If you have children and are worried about what THEY are exposed to, then DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND BE A PARENT. I like watching (American) football, but am I going to contact the sponsorship of the New York Jets because Tim Tebow is an obnoxious fundamentalist christian assbag and try to get him fired just because I dislike his beliefs? And, more importantly, would ANYONE listen? Fuck no. Take the NFL as a legitimate professional model. If people wrote letters to NFL sponsors saying Tebow's christianity offends them, they wouldn't even get so much as a letter back, and the talentless virgin would continue to get rich for not knowing how to throw a football. But that's the professional model, and I wish esports would adapt to it, otherwise you have what happened here; the "public" (SC2 community) can get unpopular people fired at will by whining about political correctness. This is downright ridiculous. Anyone that actually REPORTS A PLAYER TO THEIR SPONSORS for what they say, you should fucking kill yourself right now, you self righteous cocksucker. You seemed to have missed that there is no equivalency between Tim Tebow being a Christian and Destiny using racist language (regardless of what he actually believes). | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:18 Herculix wrote: I don't see how you can say that at all. ESports took a huge step back with this and the orb incident. The community waves their dick around and ruins companies' stability to spite people. That is a lot worse than a community that trash talks everyone, because you're destroying things that took sweat and tears to build with a single incident of a mostly irrelevent person. I don't intend to justify the behavior of orb or Destiny in any way, but I do mean to villify the pretty disgusting and self-destructive behavior this community responds with. It's honestly a lot more cancerous than just being immature, because like I said, you destroy things you had no participation in building over things that are extremely petty. You, being, people who think it is actually worth it to ruin Quantic over Destiny's behavior when Quantic has a lot more on their plate than Destiny. This, this, and this. People who actually have the mindset of "OMFG WE NEED TO CRY TO SPONSORS EVERYTIME WE SEE A PRO GAMER, CASTER, WHOEVER THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO E-SPORTS RAGE WITH FOUL LANGUAGE SO THAT OUR E-SPORTS IS SEEN AS "PROFESSIONAL." No, you are a fucking idiot. You are worse than those who you are claiming hurt e-sports, for you aren't helping by advocating the removal of the said individual. Why are we so eager to hunt someone down and put him/her down for any misconduct? I'm pretty sure the OP who beat Destiny using an all-in had absolutely nothing to lose by posting that thread and every intent to instigate some sort of harm against Destiny (reputation,TL punishment, ban, etc) , attention-whore, or feel better about his self-esteem. If this was any other player he met online, this player would not have given two shits if he had bmed him. And since Destiny himself has stated that he will not change who he is, what other reason is there for this all-in player to post that? There will be people in your workplace, job, and also in the entertainment industry that you or others might not approve of. But you don't shoot them down to the ground and bury them alive. You either ignore them, try to work with them, or don't mind it. What I'm trying to say is that while I don't approve of Destiny's language, I also don't approve of the people who are instinctive-like butthurt and anal-retentive about anyone that could harm their idea of E-SPORTS. | ||
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