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On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no?
and you can also find out who his sponsors are and attempt choke off his funding by threatening economic boycott.
Destiny, of course, is free to find other sponsors who share his "enlightened vision".
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On May 05 2012 06:15 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:14 ProBot wrote:
"On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.
Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".
Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.
Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.
User was banned for this post."
What i want to know is why Black Knight got Banned for bringing up valid points. If we're going to start lynching bitches for inappropriate language and behaviour might as well get them all to stay consistent right? Indeed, why has the community not done anything over this? The names he named are MUCH bigger personalities than Destiny, and therefore should have a MUCH larger impact on what they in terms of the community.
I like you
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On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no?
Yeah, but where does the issue with letting Razor know what you think of him arise?
If you find his behavior offensive, and you find out a company that you would otherwise buy products from is financially supporting him, you can feel free to let them know. I'm sure they'd rather you give them the heads up as opposed to simply boycotting their products, if they believe he does more good than harm for their brand, they'll keep him, otherwise they won't.
Not everything anyone says can be censored because it's offensive to some people, but if something is offensive to a huge number of people, it's no surprise that Razor wouldn't want to be associated with it.
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I'm a few pages behind. I don't see Razer, MSI, intel, or any other PC hardware/peripheral/esports supporters putting money into Comedy Central, who does support their intentionally offensive (but funny) content.
You are all getting off topic TRYING to find a reason to justify these acts. South Park != Starcraft/Esports not even by a long shot.
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On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed
And they government should have a say in what goes on in your bedroom.
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On May 05 2012 06:17 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:16 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 06:14 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 06:09 BroOd wrote:
Reading some of these posts feels like having a thumb pressed into my eye. So many bizarre tirades about cultural implications, word meanings, destiny's intent, society's prudeness, and any other conceivable way you could imagine to spin this into something that misses the point.
Everything about this situation was summed up, for me, in that telling screen shot. Destiny was angry and frustrated that he lost to what he felt was inferior play, and as a punishment or retaliation for that, he had to make the other person feel that same anger and frustration. So, he reached for what he thought of first -- an Asian slur for someone with an Asian screen name -- in the hope that it would in some way hurt his opponent.
Now, Destiny may not hate Asian people, or even dislike them. But when you use loaded, historically racist words, soaked in years of shit, you can't hang them out on the line and expect everyone to be fine with the smell. Those words have hurt people in the past and continue to hurt people today. Pretending that using them casually (like when you want to anger an anonymous Asian person so you call him a "gook") somehow dilutes their power makes it seem like you're drawing your philosophy from a half-understood George Carlin bit, and not from the pragmatic, real world we all live in together.
This hallmark-card notion of "things can only hurt you if you let them" is ludicrous and everyone here has first hand evidence of that. We've all been irrationally mad before. We all have emotional buttons that someone, somewhere, could push and hurt us. Some of those buttons are personal and hidden deep inside, but some of them are worn on our sleeves, or even deeper, in our skin. It's clear that some people in this thread view that very real hurt as just collateral damage in their self-righteous war on the windmills of political correctness.
Destiny isn't tearing down any walls here. We're not advancing towards a new, more enlightened stance on race issues by integrating institutionalized racist terms into our every day vocabulary. We're just constantly reminding each other of how shitty we used to be, and how shitty we can still be today. I think the worst part of Destiny is probably his fanboys -- they are by far the worst parts of the esports community, as evidenced by this thread. They are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day. The fanboys are infinitely worse than Destiny himself. "hey are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day." It's called integrity look it up. You could use some. What in the actual....I don't know where you get your definitions but it's certainly not from a dictionary.
From Merriam-Webster:
"firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility"
So, I guess he is right. His code is just racism.
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On May 04 2012 15:46 tribulator wrote:As posted by Destiny on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/t6i9v/destiny_and_quantic_parting_ways/Show nested quote +Grab your chairs, bros. I feel really bad that a semi-irrelevant player who streams a lot constantly shits up these boards with drama, but then I saw this as the first rated post and I didn't feel as bad. I've talked to Mark a lot over the past couple days, and we've come to the decision that it'd be best for both of our relationships for me to step aside from Quantic. I really appreciate the help/support from Quantic, and everyone on it, and everything they've done for me up to this point, but I feel like I've become more of a liability than an asset to them. I'm not about to release some hollow/empty apologies that mean nothing, and I can't even guarantee that I won't let any "bigot/racist/hateful/nazi/apocalyptic" speech cross my stream again. There were a few options on the table when we were discussing things, but all of the options left Quantic in a really rough position. The fact of the matter is, me leaving Quantic or forfeiting any sponsorship really doesn't hurt my income, or affect me, much at all. But it would be devastating to certain parts of Quantic if things continued down this road (and still might be, though there's not much that can be done at this point). I really appreciate everything they've done for me up to this point and I don't like to stay in some place where I feel like I'm hurting the environment around me too much, so I think it'd be easier for us to separate ties. I wish all of them the best, and hope to work with them in some ways in the future. For those that hate, continue hating, I love every second of it. For those that like to e-mail sponsors, good luck with your campaign, though it's sad that the only players you're hurting are those that don't stream and those that don't generate revenue outside of team salaries. And for those that support me, I appreciate all of you guys, too. And just for funs, if you think Razer's cleaning up the scene because they won't support teams who's members use racist/hateful/inflammatory speech, tell them they're doing a good job. Don't forget to mention all of the things some other players have said, like making fun of a kid who was sexually molested (ban number 11), or when teamliquid's own moderators use hate speech, because consistency is important! http://www.razersupport.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submitOn the other hand, if you think they're spineless assholes who want to police bad words in a game where you're nuking/murdering/destroying other people, or games where the main character has to endure torture or murder innocent civilians (MW2), that's fine, too.  http://www.razersupport.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submitAlso, since TL has me unlisted for 30 days, I will shamelessly plug my stream: http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny <3
took destiny's advice and contacted razer :D
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On May 05 2012 06:19 Leftwing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community. How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed And they government should have a say in what goes on in your bedroom.
An internet broadcast with thousands of viewers generating taxable income is not your bedroom.
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On May 05 2012 06:18 epidGoaty wrote:
I'm a few pages behind. I don't see Razer, MSI, intel, or any other PC hardware/peripheral/esports supporters putting money into Comedy Central, who does support their intentionally offensive (but funny) content.
You are all getting off topic TRYING to find a reason to justify these acts. South Park != Starcraft/Esports not even by a long shot.
This is the most hilarious thing about these Destiny language threads. How far people have to go in order to justify why it's okay to be able to say the things he does in his situation and how it would be unacceptable in generally every other situation you'd find yourself in.
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So funny to see how self righteous people get when they have someone they've caught. All these people acting like they need to stand up and fight for the good of the community ROFL. As if one guy is gonna bring down the scene or prevent it's growth. You weren't worked up when Quantic first signed destiny, despite knowing that destiny was slinging slurs around. You only got worked up when it because a big pulic drama. No one pretending to carry the banner of justice in this thread really cares THAT much about Sc2. They probly have never contacted sponsors for praise after something they liked, started a thread to praise a team or player etc. Honestly, stop pretending that you give 2 fucks about this and go play some sc2.
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On May 05 2012 06:04 TricksAre4Figs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:03 DarkEnergy wrote:On May 05 2012 05:48 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 05:47 d00p wrote:On May 05 2012 05:44 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 05:35 StarStrider wrote:
South Park is a good analogy.
The majority of society has a problem with a ton of content orignating from South Park.
Should Comedy Central pull the show? Should the advertisers for South Park be contacted?
In my opinion, context is everything. Coming from South Park, you don't expect a high politically correct moral standard. And coming from Destiny, same thing. That is the appeal. The rebellion against PC. The question is, do you pull South Park and Destiny, or do you acknowledge it as being a different stroke for the people who are into that kind of humor, and just mind your own goddamn business?
Is South Park reliant on sponsorship money? Do corporate sponsors flock to advertise and partner with South Park? The answer is no. You sure about that? Do you even know what your talking about? Are you an insider in that industry? Do you actually know who flocks where. The answer is no. I sure know more than you about it. Does it even matter ? It is an analogy a good one even. no need to nitpick the details of it. Its sad to see this happening. Tough i agree if e sports is going to get mainstream it needs to be presented well. But this does not mean we should police user streams and certainly not try to hurt the player/team true their sponsors. Destroying a persons future/carrier because you get offended is not ok !! Destiny destroyed Destiny's career.
True if you look at his commitment/development as a player in sc2 and results in tourney's but who knows what the future holds right ?
But if you mean because of his behavior no then allot of people that frequent TL and Reddit trampled on his dreams.
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On May 05 2012 06:19 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:17 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 06:16 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 06:14 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 06:09 BroOd wrote:
Reading some of these posts feels like having a thumb pressed into my eye. So many bizarre tirades about cultural implications, word meanings, destiny's intent, society's prudeness, and any other conceivable way you could imagine to spin this into something that misses the point.
Everything about this situation was summed up, for me, in that telling screen shot. Destiny was angry and frustrated that he lost to what he felt was inferior play, and as a punishment or retaliation for that, he had to make the other person feel that same anger and frustration. So, he reached for what he thought of first -- an Asian slur for someone with an Asian screen name -- in the hope that it would in some way hurt his opponent.
Now, Destiny may not hate Asian people, or even dislike them. But when you use loaded, historically racist words, soaked in years of shit, you can't hang them out on the line and expect everyone to be fine with the smell. Those words have hurt people in the past and continue to hurt people today. Pretending that using them casually (like when you want to anger an anonymous Asian person so you call him a "gook") somehow dilutes their power makes it seem like you're drawing your philosophy from a half-understood George Carlin bit, and not from the pragmatic, real world we all live in together.
This hallmark-card notion of "things can only hurt you if you let them" is ludicrous and everyone here has first hand evidence of that. We've all been irrationally mad before. We all have emotional buttons that someone, somewhere, could push and hurt us. Some of those buttons are personal and hidden deep inside, but some of them are worn on our sleeves, or even deeper, in our skin. It's clear that some people in this thread view that very real hurt as just collateral damage in their self-righteous war on the windmills of political correctness.
Destiny isn't tearing down any walls here. We're not advancing towards a new, more enlightened stance on race issues by integrating institutionalized racist terms into our every day vocabulary. We're just constantly reminding each other of how shitty we used to be, and how shitty we can still be today. I think the worst part of Destiny is probably his fanboys -- they are by far the worst parts of the esports community, as evidenced by this thread. They are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day. The fanboys are infinitely worse than Destiny himself. "hey are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day." It's called integrity look it up. You could use some. What in the actual....I don't know where you get your definitions but it's certainly not from a dictionary. From Merriam-Webster: "firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility" So, I guess he is right. His code is just racism.
Well, here's where their 'point' gets 'fuzzy'.
Either he's got integrity IE he's honest to the core, which means when he calls someone a "nigger" he means it (and is therefore a racist) Or he's a hypocrite.....
I don't think he thought the whole "integrity" bit out very well.
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The ban was not for his language on his stream, it was the way he responded to people in the topic about his language. And for that I'm thankful he's gone.
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On May 05 2012 06:21 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:19 Tehs Tehklz wrote:On May 05 2012 06:17 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 06:16 ProBot wrote:On May 05 2012 06:14 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 05 2012 06:09 BroOd wrote:
Reading some of these posts feels like having a thumb pressed into my eye. So many bizarre tirades about cultural implications, word meanings, destiny's intent, society's prudeness, and any other conceivable way you could imagine to spin this into something that misses the point.
Everything about this situation was summed up, for me, in that telling screen shot. Destiny was angry and frustrated that he lost to what he felt was inferior play, and as a punishment or retaliation for that, he had to make the other person feel that same anger and frustration. So, he reached for what he thought of first -- an Asian slur for someone with an Asian screen name -- in the hope that it would in some way hurt his opponent.
Now, Destiny may not hate Asian people, or even dislike them. But when you use loaded, historically racist words, soaked in years of shit, you can't hang them out on the line and expect everyone to be fine with the smell. Those words have hurt people in the past and continue to hurt people today. Pretending that using them casually (like when you want to anger an anonymous Asian person so you call him a "gook") somehow dilutes their power makes it seem like you're drawing your philosophy from a half-understood George Carlin bit, and not from the pragmatic, real world we all live in together.
This hallmark-card notion of "things can only hurt you if you let them" is ludicrous and everyone here has first hand evidence of that. We've all been irrationally mad before. We all have emotional buttons that someone, somewhere, could push and hurt us. Some of those buttons are personal and hidden deep inside, but some of them are worn on our sleeves, or even deeper, in our skin. It's clear that some people in this thread view that very real hurt as just collateral damage in their self-righteous war on the windmills of political correctness.
Destiny isn't tearing down any walls here. We're not advancing towards a new, more enlightened stance on race issues by integrating institutionalized racist terms into our every day vocabulary. We're just constantly reminding each other of how shitty we used to be, and how shitty we can still be today. I think the worst part of Destiny is probably his fanboys -- they are by far the worst parts of the esports community, as evidenced by this thread. They are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day. The fanboys are infinitely worse than Destiny himself. "hey are the ones that free-ride off of Destiny's half-assed philosophy of language (which any academic that studies this for a living will tell you is garbage), don't care about the actual racism/inequality issues (even Destiny cares about the plight of the people worse off, as evidenced by his charity work), and just watch his stream because they think its funny and hilarious that hes throwing around nigger gook rape faggot all day." It's called integrity look it up. You could use some. What in the actual....I don't know where you get your definitions but it's certainly not from a dictionary. From Merriam-Webster: "firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility" So, I guess he is right. His code is just racism. Well, here's where their 'point' gets 'fuzzy'. Either he's got integrity IE he's honest to the core, which means when he calls someone a "nigger" he means it (and is therefore a racist) Or he's a hypocrite..... I don't think he thought the whole "integrity" bit out very well.
You summed this up pretty well.
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You can not turn off who you meet on ladder.
Which is what happend to OP.
He won a game on ladder and was therefor accused of being a gook.
You know there is a default language censor on b.net. If you turn it off, you are effectively saying you are okay with seeing all the bad words. It should remove your right to bitch about foul language, since you go out of your way to say you are okay with it by clicking on that little box.
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On May 05 2012 06:16 BoZiffer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no? Ok, then we'll try another... what about Kobe Bryant using derogatory terms towards homosexuals in the middle of a basketball game on national television. Kobe is selling entertainment, yet the NBA fined him 100,000 bills because of the insensitive remarks. No different. Final discipline up to the employer.
Another poor example. In this situation, Kobe holds all the cards and received a simple slap on the wrist. $100,000.00? That's a joke to him. If you want Destiny punished in this sense, it already happened. He was removed from the list of featured streams. That is a MAJOR fine in this community especially considering a vast majority of his income comes from such.
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Awesome. Destiny is such a douchebag I hope no one else picks him up and he falls off the fucking map. TL please keep him unlisted!
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On May 05 2012 06:22 Ponera wrote:Show nested quote +
You can not turn off who you meet on ladder.
Which is what happend to OP.
He won a game on ladder and was therefor accused of being a gook.
You know there is a default language censor on b.net. If you turn it off, you are effectively saying you are okay with seeing all the bad words. It should remove your right to bitch about foul language, since you go out of your way to say you are okay with it by clicking on that little box.
This is not about the racist language in a private conversation on BNet, this is about a guy calling someone a gook on stream with thousands of viewers.
Have you ever tried making a youtube video where you call someone a nigger? How about hold a press conference to tell them you think they're a faggot?
Let me know how that works out for you.
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This community is getting worse by the minute. Oversensitive pencilnecks who spends their time e-mailing sponsors (wtf).
SC3 coming in 1984 settings, hear ye.
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On May 05 2012 06:22 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:16 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no? Ok, then we'll try another... what about Kobe Bryant using derogatory terms towards homosexuals in the middle of a basketball game on national television. Kobe is selling entertainment, yet the NBA fined him 100,000 bills because of the insensitive remarks. No different. Final discipline up to the employer. Another poor example. In this situation, Kobe holds all the cards and received a simple slap on the wrist. $100,000.00? That's a joke to him. If you want Destiny punished in this sense, it already happened. He was removed from the list of featured streams. That is a MAJOR fine in this community especially considering a vast majority of his income comes from such.
Then complain to Quantic and to their sponsors. They decided the punishment. People here just said they would not support a company that supports the wanton use of racial slurs.
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