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On May 05 2012 06:27 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Destiny abuses other people as a form of exploitation to attract bottom feeders to his stream. It should come as no surprise that he got shut down after all this time. He is lucky to have made a cent off this game and now he went and killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
He made his own gold egg laying goose. It existed before Quantic and will exist after. Which is why he doesn't care, won't apologize, and won't change. He has no reason to. This will only make him more popular with the outsiders.
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On May 05 2012 06:30 VPCursed wrote:
so guys, who shall we lynch next?
people who use the term lynch incorrectly.
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The people who are saying about going to Quantic are talking out of their arses anyway. These fuckers trying to get him thrown off the team had gone straight to Razer with their whining who then (with me reading between the lines of Destiny's statement) told Quantic to get rid of him or bye bye sponsorship. Going to Quantic about him would have been a different matter entirely and I really can't stand the ignorant pigs in this thread who think that they should have control over who gets to play for teams dependent on whether they like how the player acts.
I am just amazed at the stupidity in this thread. Really couldn't agree more with Chocobo, if people don't like Destiny or anyone else then don't support them by not watching their stream. Trying to get someone sacked from their job is 100000000000x the level of scumbaggery of calling someone a "gook fucker" or w/e it was and whoever did email Razer needs to grow the fuck up.
I also agree with the comments made by StarStrider. Absolutely spot on. It's not just Destiny you idiots could be fucking with. This thread has actually made me angry, cannot believe it. Yet you all go in the general section and laugh at these religious nutjobs who try to force their views on others. None of you are any better. . .
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There's this country where it's a crime to curse or smoke weed, but where it's OK to wave a gun around.
Thought I'd put that here as we've got over 100 pages of irrelevant shit already. Delicate flowers, please keep pressuring sponsors if you're so eager to see your beloved eSports dry up.
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On May 05 2012 06:19 Leftwing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 15:52 Blackfoger wrote:On May 04 2012 15:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
What a wonderfully toxic community. How is it toxic. I believe that it was very just such as what happened with orb. Don Imus got fired basically doing the same thing. Players should be policed And they government should have a say in what goes on in your bedroom.
They do. That's why I can't kill someone just because it's in private.
Hate speech (homophobic, antisemitic, racist, whatever) is illegal in most civilised countries. So yes, the government DOES have a say on what goes on in your bedroom. ESPECIALLY when you're broadcasting your bedroom to 10k+ people.
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On May 05 2012 06:27 Heights wrote:
I really hate this for Destiny. I hate that teams and sponsors have to take measures like this because a sliver of the SC2 community feels a certain way. Obviously, they do these things from a business standpoint; teams don't want to lose sponsors and sponsors don't want to lose customers; and seeing as I'm no business mogul I'm not going to hate on Razer BUT if teams and sponsors would take a stand and refuse to conform to what a sliver of the SC2 community calls for, especially since it has nothing to do with the sponsor and an issue with their products, then headhunting incidents like this will cease to occur, and people will be forced to deal with things they don't like in a reasonable fashion.
Do you think these companies would do this lightly? Do you think anytime a small group of people find something offensive, a company will react? A company like Razor is only going to act if the behavior has the potential to serious hurt their profits. This behavior is not just offensive to a small sliver of people. It is offensive to the vast majority of society, otherwise the company would not have cared.
Stop giving sponsors and teams reasons to lose interest in the SC2 community and scene..
You should be saying this to Destiny.
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On May 05 2012 06:29 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I'd initially thought that this whole fiasco was about someone using a "taboo" word outside of the context in which it's taboo.
Now I've found out that Destiny actually used a racist word in the worst of context...insulting someone of the ethnicity the word was created to insult.
I don't really agree with the lynch mob mentality, but there's honestly nothing that can be said to defend Destiny. Exactly what I thought initially. Would have thought most people would have been able to understand the significance of the context in this case. But apparently the fight against political correctness has gone so far, that actual racism is now not only totally fine, but a show of integrity.
That's funny, from some of the other responses in this thread you'd think the Politically Correct Nazis had been going around and throwing people into camps for using words out of context.
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This thread is just about the best example of hypocritical moderation there has ever been on a forum.
Also, what the **** did you guys expect when clicking on the button that says that you accept that there will be explicit or offensive language and tat it is recommended that you be 18+???????
Stop being so butt-hurt about sweet nothings and get the **** over it.
Warden should be horrifically ashamed of himself.
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On May 05 2012 06:12 Pudge_172 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:06 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 06:05 jxx wrote:
Everyone defending this guy, I would ask: What would happen if Destiny were a football/basketball player or whatever, imagine him behaving like that in a professional environment. What would happen?
I bet everyone here wants e-sports to be taken seriously, but when it comes to professionalism and being responsible people seem to forget about it, and then they bitch about not being taken seriously. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TURN OFF THE STREAM So I guess the black people who didn't like being lynched should have moved north?
This is one of the worst comments I have ever seen on an internet forum. Seriously, you should be ashamed of posting that.
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This turned out well, glad I helped! 
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On May 05 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:people who use the term lynch incorrectly.
Someone throwing around the term "lynch" in a defense of someone who throws around the term "nigger". I love it.
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I seriously don't understand the point of screwing someone over just because it's possible. Are we still living up to the "troll or be trolled" law of the internets?
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On May 05 2012 06:24 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:22 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:16 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:08 StarStrider wrote:
Let's call this what it is people. It was a bunch of jelly butthurt basement dwellers from /vg/ who are trying to ruin him. For no other reason than they just want to watch his career burn. They get nothing but the satisfaction of control out of it, and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the community or esports or the backlash that going to sponsors could cause to anyone else in the scene.
Most people who believe in esports would not be stupid enough to ignore the major repurcussions that would be felt by his team and esports in general from trying to get sponsors pulled. These are trolls of the 4chan scene doing what they do best. Fucking people over with no regard for logic or consequences. You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no? Ok, then we'll try another... what about Kobe Bryant using derogatory terms towards homosexuals in the middle of a basketball game on national television. Kobe is selling entertainment, yet the NBA fined him 100,000 bills because of the insensitive remarks. No different. Final discipline up to the employer. Another poor example. In this situation, Kobe holds all the cards and received a simple slap on the wrist. $100,000.00? That's a joke to him. If you want Destiny punished in this sense, it already happened. He was removed from the list of featured streams. That is a MAJOR fine in this community especially considering a vast majority of his income comes from such. Then complain to Quantic and to their sponsors. They decided the punishment. People here just said they would not support a company that supports the wanton use of racial slurs.
And that is where these self-important douchebags are abusing how new the e-sports scene is. In the case of South Park, South Park holds all the cards. If they are "cut off" they go elsewhere and take the ratings with them.
What sponsors don't realize is how popular Destiny and his stream were. They see a few complaints stating they will never purchase their product and it gets exceedingly exaggerated. (Refer to the FCC episode of Family Guy) and flip shit.
From a business standpoint. Would you sponsor a show (because that is what this is, a show) That is watched daily by 10,000 people? Of course you would. What if, of the 10,000 viewers, 1,000 of them hate the show and now refuse to buy your product? Do you continue to air the show and keep the remaining 9,000 viewers happy and retain the ability to sell your product to them? Or do you take said show off the air to cater to the 1,000 and lose your other 9,000 viewers/customers as well.
Pretty sure this is a no-brainer.
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Destiny is just some skinny nerd who tried to be hardass on the internet. Every single time he loses he has some excuse and just whines, complains, and insults the other person. Such a douchebag.
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On May 05 2012 06:16 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:14 ProBot wrote:
"On May 05 2012 04:28 Black knight wrote:
Get Idra fired. He called both July and Ensnare faggots, amongst everyone on his stream, and constantly calls people retards, even in live showmatches.
Get Huk fired. He tweeted "nigga".
Get Incontrol fired. He ridiculed a porn star about her profession to the point of tears on the most prestigious public sc2 podcast.
Go ahead, white knights. Do your fucking jobs.
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What i want to know is why Black Knight got Banned for bringing up valid points. If we're going to start lynching bitches for inappropriate language and behaviour might as well get them all to stay consistent right? Idra has been banned multiple times and reprimanded by the owner of EG, Incontrol has not said anything on the level of directly calling an asian person a "gook" on stream, and Huk saying "nigga" is not on the same level as "nigger" (as much as I don't like that word either). Grow up.
Grow up? I can almost guarantee I've done a lot more "growing up" than you. But just so i read it right it's ok to hold a standard of professionalism to one player but not the rest? So making homophobic remarks and harassing someone to the point of tears over what they do for a living is ok, but saying nigger isn't? Just so I know what you believe is acceptable and what isn't. I think your the one that needs some growing up sir.
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On May 05 2012 06:33 pt wrote:
I seriously don't understand the point of screwing someone over just because it's possible. Are we still living up to the "troll or be trolled" law of the internets?
I think it's more along the lines of "you reap what you sow"
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On May 05 2012 06:27 Pudge_172 wrote:
What shocks me most is how many people are supportive of the use of blatantly offensive/racists speech. While one can legally use such speech, one must also face the consequences of using such speech.
I would hate to see the young people watching he stream go up to several fine African Americans and call them the n word.
People need to learn to be civil when dealing with each other. Hate speech is not funny. Hate speech is not entertaining.
Well it obviously is funny and entertaining to a lot of people. Different strokes.
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On May 05 2012 06:30 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:10 Tehs Tehklz wrote:On May 05 2012 06:08 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:53 IMABUNNEH wrote:On May 05 2012 05:45 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:42 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Apparently having morals, and pursuing your morals to a conclusion, is now looked down on as being self righteous or elitist? YES, damn it. You don't get to force others to conform to your beliefs! Nobody forced Destiny to conform to their beliefs. That's why he parted ways with Quantic. Because he WON'T conform with what other people believe. I respect that he is his own man, if someone doesn't like what he does, he doesn't give a shit. Heh, yeah... honestly I had a pretty low opinion of Destiny before this. I had little respect for him, but I found his stream very entertaining. Sort of like watching Cartman from South Park in real life, plus I get to learn and improve my zerg game. But I've gained respect for him, seeing how he has handled this situation. But if you don't feel what he is doing is appropriate, and you feel strongly enough, then why should you sit down and shut up? Destiny is a supporter of free speech obviously, so he is by proxy a supporter of other people having free speech, including the ability to speak out against what they feel is wrong. Free speech is not the issue here. Obviously every form of speech used in this entire situation is legal and everyone was within their rights to speak it. The issue (to me) is about this question: what should you do if you disapprove of someone else's actions? The primary two options here are A) ignore him, stop supporting him, avoid him, have nothing to do with him, and B) demand that he change, demand that his employer exert their power over him, essentially threatening him with harm if he doesn't comply and following through on that threat when he refuses. I strongly believe that A is the right course of action, and that B is uncalled for and highly inappropriate. They did not demand that he change. They simply informed his sponsors that they could not, in good conscience, give their money to a company that supports the use of racial slurs in this manner. That is it. They "stopped supporting him". That is not what it means to stop supporting him. Not supporting him = stop watching his stream, stop watching anything he is a part of. Making threats and following through on them in an attempt to control someone's actions and force punishment on them when they don't comply... that is something else entirely. Something that I find morally reprehensible and extremely inappropriate. If I think you're an unpleasant person, I will stop having anything to do with you. I will not try to control you and I will not try to make your employer fire you.
Purchasing products from his sponsors supports him. That is the point of sponsorship. If you want to buy something from his sponsor, but do not want to support him, then what? What do you do?
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On May 05 2012 06:34 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:24 Tehs Tehklz wrote:On May 05 2012 06:22 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:16 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 06:12 Dosey wrote:On May 05 2012 06:08 BoZiffer wrote:On May 05 2012 05:30 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:18 BlueLanterna wrote:On May 05 2012 05:15 Chocobo wrote:On May 05 2012 05:09 BlueLanterna wrote:
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You're not saying it's a bad thing that a high profile streamer who used frequent ignorant hate speech is no longer on a professional team are you? Why do you believe that no gamer who uses bad language should be allowed on a professional team? Why are professional gamers on teams required to conform to your standards while you get to be the internet morality police? Why do you get to have control over others? You're making a strawman argument as well. I never said gamers who use bad language shouldn't be allowed on a professional team, I said those who use hate speech, even in jest, shouldn't be supported. LOL "Why do you get to have control over others?" It has nothing to do with what I as an individual wants, it's what society deems as acceptable. I completely agree that they ----SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED----. That is exactly what should have happened to Destiny. All of the people offended by his language should have stopped watching his games and stopped tuning in to his stream and stopped supporting him in any way. But there is an enormous, gigantic difference between "shouldn't be supported" and "should be forced to conform to our standards or else we're going to fuck with him". A large portion of society has deemed Destiny's actions to be unacceptable. Great. That's completely fine. But since when is it OK to get back at him by going to his employer and trying to get him fired? Since when is it ok to demand that he conform to your rules, or else you're going to take revenge against him? That is called "trying to have control over others" and there's no way to deny that. I find it to be extremely inappropriate and completely uncalled for. The correct course of action is "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but that fact is being overlooked by many people. Scenario question: Destiny is a representative of Team Quantic when he streams. He is, in effect "working" for them at that moment in time, right? Maybe he's not contractually, not sure. Lets say I go into a Best Buy and the salesman makes an insulting/racist/demeaning remark to me while he is actively employed. What actions do I have to seek resolution? I can talk to the individual - which may correct the problem on the spot. I can speak to his Supervisors. Now whether or not I demand to the Supervisor for him to be fired or not, or just counseled on the issue, is really up to the employer. I would say that complaining about something that isn't acceptable is fine action. That is all that an individual can actively do. Its up the employers to make the final call. That scenario is totally irrelevant. Best Buy employee is selling a product and representing a company who just sells products. Destiny is essentially working in entertainment. His job is to obtain viewers and keep them entertained for as long as he is on air. Destiny is selling himself. If you don't like his sales pitch, you can go elsewhere, no? Ok, then we'll try another... what about Kobe Bryant using derogatory terms towards homosexuals in the middle of a basketball game on national television. Kobe is selling entertainment, yet the NBA fined him 100,000 bills because of the insensitive remarks. No different. Final discipline up to the employer. Another poor example. In this situation, Kobe holds all the cards and received a simple slap on the wrist. $100,000.00? That's a joke to him. If you want Destiny punished in this sense, it already happened. He was removed from the list of featured streams. That is a MAJOR fine in this community especially considering a vast majority of his income comes from such. Then complain to Quantic and to their sponsors. They decided the punishment. People here just said they would not support a company that supports the wanton use of racial slurs. And that is where these self-important douchebags are abusing how new the e-sports scene is. In the case of South Park, South Park holds all the cards. If they are "cut off" they go elsewhere and take the ratings with them. What sponsors don't realize is how popular Destiny and his stream were. They see a few complaints stating they will never purchase their product and it gets exceedingly exaggerated. (Refer to the FCC episode of Family Guy) and flip shit. From a business standpoint. Would you sponsor a show (because that is what this is, a show) That is watched daily by 10,000 people? Of course you would. What if, of the 10,000 viewers, 1,000 of them hate the show and now refuse to buy your product? Do you continue to air the show and keep the remaining 9,000 viewers happy and retain the ability to sell your product to them? Or do you take said show off the air to cater to the 1,000 and lose your other 9,000 viewers/customers as well. Pretty sure this is a no-brainer.
Most posters on this thread fail to see this. Kudos.
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On May 05 2012 06:33 pt wrote:
I seriously don't understand the point of screwing someone over just because it's possible. Are we still living up to the "troll or be trolled" law of the internets?
He got screwed over because he called a Korean person a gook, among other things, not "just because it's possible".
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