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jax1
Sweden35 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:51 Nouar wrote: double standards. its not, he says something that will make controversy because thats the way to let go of anger for some people. Find the most disrespectful word you can and say it. And he does it. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:52 Benjamin99 wrote: What about a useless post meant to defame a public figure while hidding its true purpose under a political correct theme. I think that would be a greater threat to the community? So if you guys keep up with this we might get to a point where people are so affraid of saying anything becuase of the horde of angry jealous dramaqueens who would rather want to create drama instead of watching starcraft games. I don't think this post is doing anything more to "defame" Destiny than he does himself. I fail to see how a thread that has a premise of "hey look what stupid thing Destiny said this time" is so much more damaging than the original act itself. You're basically agreeing to the premise that what he says is derogatory, but disagree with this thread because it will shine more light on the issue. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:46 partisan wrote: This thread has basically just turned into people being apologists for racial slurs because they like Destiny, and the rest of us that think that's insane. This community will never grow if we don't call this kind of garbage out. Agreed. Starcraft community used to be well mannered and respectful, at least for majority of players. What the hell happened and why is this acceptable? I'm not talking about only Destiny, but all this BM that plagues battle.net nowadays. I'd rather weed out the trash out from our community by reporting the players than ignore/listen to all that bullshit. If we continue like this, even less players are willing to play or are willing to give SC2 a shot due to awful game community environment. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:55 Zambrah wrote: I live in a rural, redneck town in Virginia that has a fairly diverse population, lots of hispanics, blacks, and whites, with some asians. Its not an issue here. At all. Congrats, its not a big deal in this area you live in. I guess the entire internet should also operate the same way. After all, the internet is very localized. And lets not forget how sacred racial slurs are. If we don't have racial slurs, what DO we have? Give me racial slurs or give me death! | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
Destiny says gook, everyone ridicules the 'victim'. Don't get me wrong, I think both are fucking nothing, especially in a ladder game, but this is double standard as it's finest. | ||
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Meshu
Australia17 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:52 Benjamin99 wrote: What about a useless post meant to defame a public figure while hidding its true purpose under a political correct theme. I think that would be a greater threat to the community? So if you guys keep up with this we might get to a point where people are so affraid of saying anything becuase of the horde of angry jealous dramaqueens who would rather want to create drama instead of watching starcraft games. You mean to say people might be held accountable for what they say like other public figures? | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:44 Meshu wrote: If only it were as simple as it being 1v1 without a stream, thousands of viewers(who are prone to crusading on his behalf), a featuring on team liquid, sponsors etc involved. Aaaahhh.... now I understand. Its ok for jimmy nobody to be a stupid racist, but its not ok for a known person to curse around openly. Interesting... but somehow thats EXACTLY how the world works. It doesnt matter if millions of people are assholes and vote or support xenophobic parties/politicans but I DOES matter if one of them is famous. | ||
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PeachTea
United States149 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:50 partisan wrote: I live in an area that is fairly diverse. Racial slurs are a huge deal. I'm curious as to where you live if you say that's not the case there. I live on an army base near many other bases in Japan. I grew up with many kids that I known throughout the years of all races and in turn we see each other as people. I know its something that many people are not going to have the chance of doing but because of it racism is not a big deal. I'm aware that 99% of the people in Japan are Japanese but I am around quite a bit of the 1 %. If everyone had this view of everyone just being people and taking racial slurs lightly things would be much better around the world. Its taking them seriously that causes death and turmoil. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:55 Zambrah wrote: I live in a rural, redneck town in Virginia that has a fairly diverse population, lots of hispanics, blacks, and whites, with some asians. Its not an issue here. At all. For the majority perhaps. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:50 skrjabin wrote: My friend, you are extrapolating too much from this. In no way, shape, or form (or alternate universe) can the language usage of some slightly racist, moderately popular figure, in a largely unknown, niche sub-culture, be applied to the universal 'ignorance of America ... And other countries, too.' The words are ugly and horrible, yes. We have Free speech (thank god)and he is free to exercise that, but I reiterate again, that he will eventually be the victim of his own actions. Let's agree that the language is deplorable, but also be realistic about his position in the community. He is a non-issue, and if he keeps this up, he will just fade further and further from the spotlight. I agree with lot's of your points. Freedom of expression is EXTREMELY important in democratic societies. That 1st amendment is extremely pertitent to SC2 and the freedom to make a dumbass out of yourself. I do think that professional SC2 players are held to a much different standard. If they professional e=sports gamers want to continue to live a privileged life in the future, they must be held to a code of conduct. I bet QUantic gaming even added a code of conduct clause to Destiny's contract. THe reason for the code of conduct clause is money. TO make a team wealthy , teams must be able to market their players to a wide range of different countries and ethnicities. Sponsors who are from different cultures must also be assured that a big e-sports Team will be open for sponsorship, not based on ethnicity but mainly dollar bills and fan popularity. Factors for sponsorship Team Success Fan Popularity If some player like Destiny upsets the applecart, offends a Fanbase, Offends his team-mates, and Offends his sponsors, there is really no reason why a Team like quantic should keep him, Unless Destiny apoligizes and gets some kind of punishment for his behavior. Maybe a suspension. I know, the consequenses sounds communist, but that is the reality of e-sports today and Sports in general. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I couldn't care less about the actual random insults on the internet... | ||
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Dubz
United States242 Posts
id curse at you too | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
These threads really make me sick sometimes, dafuq is with this community nowadays just trying to find ways of getting people in trouble? I had to Google what it meant and ironically even i'm not all that offended. | ||
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ETisME
12908 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:53 canikizu wrote: Of course, because he or you or me are just a noname in the society. People don't care about what we are doing. If we say bad word, people will just consider us retard. But if Obama, Justin Beiber say it, people are going to be all over it, because they're community figures. If you say Destiny is not community figure and can do whatever he wants, then fine, let's act like he's not community figure and defeature him. Except that Obama, Justin Beiber never had those impressions set upon them Destiny had always been OPEN to why he uses those words and provided extremely valid points on why the racial comments aren't racists. Let's take Ray Charles for example. He represented almost all country/pop music in the 1960s. He was known to get a lot of affairs and took drugs. Did that stop him from being one of the most genius artists? No Did that make people think pop music in the 1960s are negative? No Are you suggesting racial comments are worse than having multiple affairs and heavy drug usage? | ||
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l3AK3D
United States40 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:58 PeachTea wrote: I live on an army base near many other bases in Japan. I grew up with many kids that I known throughout the years of all races and in turn we see each other as people. I know its something that many people are not going to have the chance of doing but because of it racism is not a big deal. I'm aware that 99% of the people in Japan are Japanese but I am around quite a bit of the 1 %. If everyone had this view of everyone just being people and taking racial slurs lightly things would be much better around the world. Its taking them seriously that causes death and turmoil. Sir, I feel as if I should treat you to dinner. Unfortunately we live nowhere near each other. :-p | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
You're better than the racists, bro. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On May 01 2012 23:53 Fueled wrote: People on the outside looking in on eSports and more importantly Starcraft 2 do. Some professionalism has to be shown, from Destiny especially. If you want eSports to be taken seriously, you have to act professional while in the work enviroment. In this case it would be on the online ladder. People looking outside in on esports don't see this.People that start crying about it when something like this happens,make threads about it and start tweeting to sponsors make it visible.No one is going to say anything like this in a tournament game or in a similar setting which get covered by media,its just a ladder game so who actually gives a shit apart from the guy that is "SOOO offended" by a person calling him a gook over the internet after he lost a ladder game. | ||
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Goldbullet
United States88 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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