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On May 02 2012 06:24 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:18 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Well I'm kinda for booting him off QxC and letting him he indie, he can still do what he wants on stream, he can be a cunt, burn flags, rape babies, couldn't give a fuck, I just don't think he should be associated with any pro team right now. Heres why:
I don't think any "pro" (term used loosely in the gaming world I know) should use that sort of language. I'm going to compare E-sports to real sports seeing as it has the potential to grow and while may not ever become mainstream, with companies like Red Bull getting behind it I don't see why it can't get to the sizes of some less famous sports. And to that end I'd rather not have prominent members going around using shitty racial slurs, even if ment in a moment of nerd rage. I also don't enjoy watching witless raging. I rather watch the Combofiend / Mike Ross / 2GD style of BM (which is basically any BM that doesn't involve nigger, gook, chink cunts).
I don't watch a crapton of sport but I can't remember Alonso calling Hamilton a nigger for example. The problem with E-sports is everything is recorded.
It's also a bit sad people seem to watch him just for the shit he slings around instead of actually watching the game. But whatever, its your choice. Jason Terry used racial slurs, was he kicked off of Chelsea? I agree that Destiny goes over the top, but this thread is going out of control. Asking for Destiny to be booted off of Quantic, and if not Quantic should lose their sponsors? E-mailing sponsors over this? Wow. Well in about 2 weeks when nobody cares about this, I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh over this thread.
What the hell is wrong with e mailing sponsors?
Is it that wrong to want to have your opinion heard?(Note: I didn't actually e mail anyone because I don't really care)
I guess you never complain over anything because "it wouldn't be nice"? LOL. Now whether the people who think that Destiny should be booted off is to be seen, buy if you think otherwise why not e mail the sponsors and tell them that you love Destiny and that he is a big reason you buy their products?
At least I can respect people who take action in what they believe.
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On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:
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It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked.
No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners.
Your one-liners aren't much better.
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if Destiny would have said : YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF WHITE TRASH, no one would have actually cared. Just because he said faggot, now he should be demonized. Ah, the ipocrisy.
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On May 02 2012 06:29 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:
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I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing.
I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners. Your one-liners aren't much better.
That's why I attempt to make actual arguments rather than just cherrypick sentences and spout pseudo-clever nonsense.
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On May 02 2012 06:28 Crue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:48 LarJarsE wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
that's your FAIR poll? do you also flip coins that have heads on both sides?
This might seem like a "fun" poll for some of you but popularity (and uneducated votes) should not dictate issues like these.
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Free speech != consequence free speech , for some reason people tend to confuse these things.
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I think it's quite something for this thread to be at 100+ pages, it seems like the community finds this a really big issue.
In my honest opinion, I think Destiny should refrain from doing things like this (especially the word faggot isn't acceptable to me), but as stated several times in this thread: this is Destiny, he is known for these kind of actions and Quantic signed him despite of that. Then again, as a professional player, who is payed by a team, you simply cannot do this stuff. I think Quantic should take actions on this, simply because as a team or a sponsor, you really don't want to be associated with this. Firing might go a bit far, but maybe Destiny can have a different kind of punishment.
I do think Destiny should be aware of the fact that he is a professional player, and he should act like one. This includes keeping these BM to himself. So if Quantic decide to take action, they have my support.
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Edit: Ugh forget it, it's time for me to go do other things. This is just getting me bent outta shape.
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On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:
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It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked.
No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners.
You've been completely unable to respond to anything I've said, why start now?
This isn't a matter of opinion; it's a fact. Go through the thread and see how many posts you can find of people saying "I'm taking action because he isn't my cup of tea". Compare it to the amount of posts saying "I'm taking action because I think this is racist". There will be absolutely no comparison and so it's just a silly straw man.
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On May 02 2012 06:29 Sergio1992 wrote:
if Destiny would have said : YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF WHITE TRASH, no one would have actually cared. Just because he said faggot, now he should be demonized. Ah, the ipocrisy.
Yeah, what a hypocrisy that white folks, who have not been marginalized for their race - don't give a fuck about racial remarks against them.
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were you offended? no?
no harm no foul.
if you were, there are bigger issues at hand then just the words of b-tier level starcraft 2 pro.
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nineteen eighty-four
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On May 02 2012 06:31 theBusiness wrote:
Free speech != consequence free speech , for some reason people tend to confuse these things.
This is literally the best sentence I've read this year. I was going to write a post but this really sums up anything I was going to say.
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On May 02 2012 06:31 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:
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I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing.
I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners. You've been completely unable to respond to anything I've said, why start now? This isn't a matter of opinion; it's a fact. Go through the thread and see how many posts you can find of people saying "I'm taking action because he isn't my cup of tea". Compare it to the amount of posts saying "I'm taking action because I think this is racist". There will be absolutely no comparison and so it's just a silly straw man.
Nice try.
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I really like Destiny, especially since he has started improving a lot recently and I see this often on his stream or elsewhere by him. While I can not possibly condone what he says I understand his way of looking at it and absolutely agree, only that only under private circumstances. If you want to be or act racist you can do it in the privacy of your home, in Canada where I come from we have hatespeech laws to ensure this. You can debate on the use of curse words in jest like calling a friend a "faggot" in a friendly game but in the end i think the conclusion is that it does not matter unless it's hurting someone and in Destiny's wide audience i think that some actions should be taken. On the other hand, from his perspective i can certainly see that he would likely think that the only punishment he should recieve is from viewers that "boycott" his stream, by this logic he would only recieve the immediate repercussions of his actions which seems fine for me. The only significant problem in this discussion to me is whether or not its "hurting e-sports" and in that respect i would say yes it is.
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On May 02 2012 06:28 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:18 Raid wrote:
As an asian-american, I actually think a simple apology from Destiny to the OP is simply enough. But after seeing how he responded on how he defends himself on having the "right" to use such racial slurs... I find it disgusting that people would defend such a person.
The term "gook" is to not be taken lightly, my parents came from the Vietnam War and I can tell you the reason why the military uses racial slurs is to differentiate themselves from the minority making it easier for them to kill... There shouldn't be justification in committing a hate crime of a person of another minority just because you feel you have the right to free speech.
I find it silly that Destiny cannot man up and just apologize and get this over with. If he feels that he needs to have an extended vocabulary then I suggest not being in a team where he represents the name of "Quantic" and their sponsors... Hear, hear. Almighty white folks in their discussions have not noticed this person's post. ♥
As a non-white, non-straight, non-cis person myself and as someone who heavily disagrees with Destiny's position on the use of racist slurs, I find that I'd still rather discuss the usage of racist slurs with him than with anyone else in this thread; at least he shows that he's thought about it extensively when he posted his justification, which is perhaps more than what most people in this thread can say. :/
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On May 02 2012 06:18 Raid wrote:
As an asian-american, I actually think a simple apology from Destiny to the OP is simply enough. But after seeing how he responded on how he defends himself on having the "right" to use such racial slurs... I find it disgusting that people would defend such a person.
The term "gook" is to not be taken lightly, my parents came from the Vietnam War and I can tell you the reason why the military uses racial slurs is to differentiate themselves from the minority making it easier for them to kill... There shouldn't be justification in committing a hate crime of a person of another minority just because you feel you have the right to free speech.
I find it silly that Destiny cannot man up and just apologize and get this over with. If he feels that he needs to have an extended vocabulary then I suggest not being in a team where he represents the name of "Quantic" and their sponsors...
This.
And the funny thing is, in said game where Destiny called his opponent skilless, he failed to scout the 2 banshee all in. How ironic.
I like Destiny most of the time. But sometimes.. he can embody everything that is completely shitty about this community (the c00l club of zergs who hop on the BM/Racist bandwagon) and every time he does stuff like this it just furthers the decline of our community..
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On May 02 2012 06:31 theBusiness wrote:
Free speech != consequence free speech , for some reason people tend to confuse these things.
Best post on this thread so far.
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Anyway, I think it's best we let this thread die. No hard feelings against any of you personally, of course, but I don't really think this is going anywhere, and people are getting too emotional for this to be productive.
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On May 02 2012 06:14 -MoOsE- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:08 zEnVy wrote:
I pity people whose feelings get hurt over words. There isn't a thing you can call me that would make me upset.
People say things they don't mean when they're angry. Everybody does, I know I do. If Destiny calls his senator and demands they pass a law against gay marriage because it's unnatural that would make him a homophobe, not because of what he types while playing a video game on the internet.
I often times use the words "nigger" and "faggot" but I am neither racist nor homophobic. I have gay friends, black friends, and asian friends. Words are just that, words. Who cares what I say when I'm mad on the internet?
Let me follow you around and record you everytime you get mad about something and then let everybody on the internet know please. Yes please to this. He is not acting in a way in which he means it. Everyone says this stuff. I wouldn't believe you guys went to school after reading this. I hear this and much worse every day, and some people actually mean it there and still no one cares; we just ignore it because it doesn't matter.
Some of us are done with school and have graduated a long time ago. What Destiny does is in no way acceptable in civilized society. School is a bubble insulated from the real world. You're all still kids who don't know any better and most will eventually grow out of using such language. If the adults in your school didn't care, that's another issue entirely.
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