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On May 02 2012 06:39 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:37 Crue wrote:On May 02 2012 06:36 TarquinJohnson wrote:
e-Sports will not have any credibilty if this sort of thing is deemed acceptable. How many other sports around the world let people use racial slurs when they lose?
A soccer player here in the UK is about to be put on trial for racially abusing an opponent. destiny is not e-sports. True, but Quantic does want a foot in the door, and the PC deathball will roll over anything which it finds distasteful. Since Destiny is irrelevent, getting rid of him wouldn't be that impactful, right?
It's not impactful to anyone but Destiny, and I'm not comfortable with the idea of shafting someone whom I've never personally met just because he spouted a few racist words on the SC2 ladder in a moment of rage, esp. when throwing him out the door won't actually do anything to change the attitude of the gaming community towards slurs on the whole. It's a pointless and wasteful endeavor, imo, and does more harm than good.
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On May 02 2012 06:37 Crue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:36 TarquinJohnson wrote:
e-Sports will not have any credibilty if this sort of thing is deemed acceptable. How many other sports around the world let people use racial slurs when they lose?
A soccer player here in the UK is about to be put on trial for racially abusing an opponent. destiny is not e-sports.
Thanks for stating the obvious...
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On May 02 2012 06:39 Rekrul wrote:
LOL
that is all
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On May 02 2012 06:40 Sylverin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:39 smash1 wrote:Poll: is protoss op?yes (50) 79% (13) 21% 63 total votes Your vote: is protoss op? (Vote): yes
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I loled so hard thanks :D
As did I. In fact, I'm still laughing. For some reason, Deezer saying "You gonna get banned piece of shit," immediately popped into my head. And, I'm pretty sure that happened on Destiny's stream. :D
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On May 02 2012 06:30 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:29 plogamer wrote:On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:
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Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary.
How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners. Your one-liners aren't much better. That's why I attempt to make actual arguments rather than just cherrypick sentences and spout pseudo-clever nonsense.
Actually, you're the one shouting pseudo-clever nonsense sans the clever part. He had a valid argument when he said you were straw-manning his point because you were. Nowhere does he state or indicate that he is "trying to ruin his [Destiny] career because he isn't their cup of tea." That's YOUR assumption. It's rather presumptuous of you to assume that you know a person's motives better than he/she does. Based on everyone's posts, most people don't bear any malice towards Destiny. It's actually the exact opposite; they're more concerned with the malice Destiny bears towards minorities.
After all, isn't that how this entire argument began? Over whether Destiny is a racist or not? It's amazing how you somehow where able to turn the conversation around into an ad-hominem attack towards TL members when the original subject was Destiny and not the TL community.
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So many slippery slope fallacies in this thread.
Asking someone to not say nigger, gook, or faggot does not mean we will eventually scold him for saying murder, nuke, or other words that can be stretched to be offensive.
Hell, is it so hard to use dictionary.reference.com ?
gook- Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
nigger- Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive .
faggot- Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
retard- Slang: Disparaging .
So to Destiny, who tried to be cute asking what words he can and can't say, you can start there.
Grow up and use your heads people. We all have common sense. Who is going to make an argument that it's acceptable to call a black person a nigger? Destiny was playing someone with a korean name and using Korean characters and called him a gook to insult him.
When on the Korean server, upon discovering the most offensive thing that you can say to them is to call them "dog people" he ran with that and used it.
There is literally NO chance SC2 will become mainstream if people like Destiny continue to use language that is shunned in all public outlets.
Even idra cleaned up his act after the Orb controversy. Although, Destiny has stated many times he doesn't give a fuck so to that I say I don't want him to be a part of this community.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Definition of RACISM
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
so i'm going to throw it out there, which of these is he apparently perpetuating
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On May 02 2012 06:44 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:30 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:29 plogamer wrote:On May 02 2012 06:27 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:26 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 06:19 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:16 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 06:12 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 06:10 hugman wrote:On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:
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How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from
1) He uses racist language when he's raging
to
2) he's racist.
that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Stop the fucking thread Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist! How dare anyone accuse him of that!? It's one thing to accuse; it's yet another to continue pretending it's the case when it's clear that any racism was nothing more than fleeting anger. Really? It's clear that it was "fleeting?" Because Destiny regularly uses language like that and he even came into this very thread to defend his use of those words. Yep, it's still clear that it was nothing more than anger. Trying to ruin his career because he's not your cup of tea is immature, ridiculous, and malice with the permission of your conscience. Yet another straw man. People are not taking action because he isn't their "cup of tea", they're doing it because they believe he is spewing racism. Going to just stop responding to your one-liners. Your one-liners aren't much better. That's why I attempt to make actual arguments rather than just cherrypick sentences and spout pseudo-clever nonsense. Actually, you're the one shouting pseudo-clever nonsense sans the clever part. He had a valid argument when he said you were straw-manning his point because you were. No where does he state or indicate that he is "trying to ruin his [Destiny] career because he isn't their cup of tea." That's YOUR assumption. It's rather presumptuous of you to assume that you know a person's motives better than he/she does. Based on everyone's posts, most people don't bear any malice towards Destiny, but the exact opposite. They're more concerned with the malice Destiny bears towards minorities. Isn't that how your entire argument began? Over whether Destiny is a racist or not? It's amazing how you somehow where able to turn the conversation around into an ad-hominem attack towards TL members when the original subject was Destiny and not the TL community.
I think you're missing the ironic character of the post, lol. You sorta argued my point for me! Heh..
I'm not sure how much clearly I can express the fact that "I dont think anyone here is particularly stupid" than saying it outright, but apparently I'll still be accused of ad hominems because that's a convenient way to attack someone's credibility.
Alas  .
And actually, people have been trying to tell me that this argument isn't about whether Destiny is racist or not, which is what I've been arguing against from the outset. So, in a way, it seems you agree with me, actually.
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On May 02 2012 06:42 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:39 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 02 2012 03:40 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 03:37 Mr Showtime wrote:
Destiny gets far more leeway than anyone else in the community. When he was exclusively streaming and his team affiliation was ROOT (honestly more of a clan), there isn't an issue. It's his personal stream and he can do what he pleases. Now he's a member of a team attached to sponsorships there are going to be issues.
If you are offended by Destiny, don't support him. There's no point in trying to make a civilian arrest on the guy. As a community, our job is to bring these issues to light, not to fix them. Quantic will fix them if deemed necessary just like EG did with Orb.
Again, to be explicitly clear, do not support him if you find him offensive. There isn't really a case that the community is enabling this behavior because when it becomes too much, sponsors and team will react. No EG didn't find it nessercary to fix it Reddit and every self rightous person forced their hand by emailing sponsors and so on and flooding them with complaints forcing EGs hand in 1 direction I mean..... no. You're just wrong here. The flood of emails to EG's sponsors could have potentially cost them a major sponsorship when the issue was hardly their fault. Orb had barely spent any time working with them before this went down. I don't know how you could look at that and say it's a good thing. Their hand wasn't "forced" by reddit and others. That decision was to be made regardless. The additional complaints and emails for an issue such as this do FAR more harm than good. Again, it's not the community's job to fix these issues. Only to present them and let authority make changes if deemed necessary. So for this particular situation, threads like this are helpful and contacting Quantic is helpful. Complaining to the sponsors is NOT helpful. You're hurting everyone and not solving the issue. I do agree that we shouldn't be running to the sponsors yet, but past history suggests that Quantic doesn't care what destiny does. So if a few days go by and nothing has happened, going to the sponsors will be a very valid reaction.
Why are you letting destiny affect you? if you don't like him don't watch..You all are basically saying WAR ON DRUGS LETS LYNCH A DRUG DEALER! THAT WILL SAVE OUR CHILDREN! It won't change the internet or even esports as a whole. I like destiny I like Idra I like those kind of personalities just as much as inconTROLL(intended) and Day[9] If his fans don't mind and his team doesn't mind why do you? and why do you force your ideals and viewpoints on someone else..isn't that worse than using a "bad word"?....
My point is why make such a big deal over such a little thing...are you all this bored?
Edit: I guess to continue my analogy I would be the druggie....but regardless I stand by what I said.
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"this thread will be moderated for idiocy"
Then ban the OP. He knew this thread was going to cause a shitstorm, yet he made it anyways. It's not like ten other people haven't already made this same thread....
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On May 02 2012 05:48 LarJarsE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
Who in their right freaking mind JUSTIFIES hate speeches? Whether they occur on the internet or in real life is completely irrelevant. Hate speeches shouldn't be tolerated where-ever they happen to take place.
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On May 02 2012 06:46 Sylverin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:42 thatsundowner wrote:On May 02 2012 06:39 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 02 2012 03:40 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 03:37 Mr Showtime wrote:
Destiny gets far more leeway than anyone else in the community. When he was exclusively streaming and his team affiliation was ROOT (honestly more of a clan), there isn't an issue. It's his personal stream and he can do what he pleases. Now he's a member of a team attached to sponsorships there are going to be issues.
If you are offended by Destiny, don't support him. There's no point in trying to make a civilian arrest on the guy. As a community, our job is to bring these issues to light, not to fix them. Quantic will fix them if deemed necessary just like EG did with Orb.
Again, to be explicitly clear, do not support him if you find him offensive. There isn't really a case that the community is enabling this behavior because when it becomes too much, sponsors and team will react. No EG didn't find it nessercary to fix it Reddit and every self rightous person forced their hand by emailing sponsors and so on and flooding them with complaints forcing EGs hand in 1 direction I mean..... no. You're just wrong here. The flood of emails to EG's sponsors could have potentially cost them a major sponsorship when the issue was hardly their fault. Orb had barely spent any time working with them before this went down. I don't know how you could look at that and say it's a good thing. Their hand wasn't "forced" by reddit and others. That decision was to be made regardless. The additional complaints and emails for an issue such as this do FAR more harm than good. Again, it's not the community's job to fix these issues. Only to present them and let authority make changes if deemed necessary. So for this particular situation, threads like this are helpful and contacting Quantic is helpful. Complaining to the sponsors is NOT helpful. You're hurting everyone and not solving the issue. I do agree that we shouldn't be running to the sponsors yet, but past history suggests that Quantic doesn't care what destiny does. So if a few days go by and nothing has happened, going to the sponsors will be a very valid reaction. My point is why make such a big deal over such a little thing...are you all this bored?
Good point, people only get offended when they are bored.
Really man, why even post that?
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The issue of racial slurs is so far perpetuated in modern society, that you can't fairly just form a giant internet lynch mob over one person's use of it in a game. The issue is racial slurs, not Destiny.
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On May 02 2012 06:46 Sylverin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:42 thatsundowner wrote:On May 02 2012 06:39 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 02 2012 03:40 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 03:37 Mr Showtime wrote:
Destiny gets far more leeway than anyone else in the community. When he was exclusively streaming and his team affiliation was ROOT (honestly more of a clan), there isn't an issue. It's his personal stream and he can do what he pleases. Now he's a member of a team attached to sponsorships there are going to be issues.
If you are offended by Destiny, don't support him. There's no point in trying to make a civilian arrest on the guy. As a community, our job is to bring these issues to light, not to fix them. Quantic will fix them if deemed necessary just like EG did with Orb.
Again, to be explicitly clear, do not support him if you find him offensive. There isn't really a case that the community is enabling this behavior because when it becomes too much, sponsors and team will react. No EG didn't find it nessercary to fix it Reddit and every self rightous person forced their hand by emailing sponsors and so on and flooding them with complaints forcing EGs hand in 1 direction I mean..... no. You're just wrong here. The flood of emails to EG's sponsors could have potentially cost them a major sponsorship when the issue was hardly their fault. Orb had barely spent any time working with them before this went down. I don't know how you could look at that and say it's a good thing. Their hand wasn't "forced" by reddit and others. That decision was to be made regardless. The additional complaints and emails for an issue such as this do FAR more harm than good. Again, it's not the community's job to fix these issues. Only to present them and let authority make changes if deemed necessary. So for this particular situation, threads like this are helpful and contacting Quantic is helpful. Complaining to the sponsors is NOT helpful. You're hurting everyone and not solving the issue. I do agree that we shouldn't be running to the sponsors yet, but past history suggests that Quantic doesn't care what destiny does. So if a few days go by and nothing has happened, going to the sponsors will be a very valid reaction. Why are you letting destiny affect you? if you don't like him don't watch..You all are basically saying WAR ON DRUGS LETS LYNCH A DRUG DEALER! THAT WILL SAVE OUR CHILDREN! It won't change the internet or even esports as a whole. I like destiny I like Idra I like those kind of personalities just as much as inconTROLL(intended) and Day[9] If his fans don't mind and his team doesn't mind why do you? and why do you force your ideals and viewpoints on someone else..isn't that worse than using a "bad word"?.... My point is why make such a big deal over such a little thing...are you all this bored?Edit: I guess to continue my analogy I would be the druggie....but regardless I stand by what I said.
I just finished my midterms and am blowing off a little steam. ^^;
It was either this thread or SC2 vs. BW. Gotta make a decision somewhere, man.
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Yeah I agree the community should look down on him for this, however I think a lot of his fans are drawn to his rawness. Still it is pretty unprofessional. In the long run incidents like this are going to hurt the starcraft community's credibility.
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I still don't get why people are so against contacting Quantic and\or their sponsors. You are basically a customer that is consuming a product. You don't like something about a product you go to the correct channels and tell them what you don't like and how that will affect your future consuming of said product.
I don't see the inmoral thing, if you want to support Destiny you can you know... contact Quantic and\or their sponsors and tell them what you like about their product.
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why does it matter... being racist is a personal choice/disposition. everyone is entitled to their opinion
also, for every stereotype there is a shred of truth
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On May 02 2012 05:08 dsousa wrote:Poll: Could this event, have an influence on which mouse you purchase next?No (105) 70% Yes (45) 30% 150 total votes Your vote: Could this event, have an influence on which mouse you purchase next? (Vote): Yes
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37 people now feel strongly enough to say this can affect their mouse purchasing decisions.
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On May 02 2012 06:44 Argolis wrote:USER WAS TEMP BANNED FOR THIS POST?
Lol clearly very new. Rekrul is unbannable. He's a legend of the SC community, probably been around longer than you've been alive. Also, don't backseat moderate- that's not looked on too well either.
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