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On May 02 2012 05:50 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. And I have yet to see Destiny use racist slurs to intentionally offend people of a certain ethnicity, origin, etc. <-- THAT'S what I'd consider racist. Oh, you mean like calling an Asian person "gook"?
So you actually believe what went through his mind was "This person is Asian, I will use this word because I hate Asians and I hope it offends him" ? He must really hate Asians, staying in a Korean progaming house and shit. I watched his stream during this time because I was interested and he got along with the players there. So man, people who know Destiny seem to get along with him. But I'm sure you know him better than all those people because of screenshots bro.
Good night.
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On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though.
Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary.
edit: its not like this is a pattern for him or anything...
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I would take "people who go to sponsors" with a grain a salt. Once you let trolls know this they will go out of their way to do shit like this(go to sponsors and such). Sponsors really shouldnt take advice from random people messaging them.
also, if this hasnt been discussed, when destiny BMs koreans, hes expecting them not to understand a thing he said.
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On May 02 2012 05:54 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Pestiny doesn't deserve a sponsorship. Teach this filth a lesson and remove him from everything SC2 related. Imagine the arrogance he has to be such a ... flamer and think he can get away with it. Get out.
How dare you call Destiny a flamer? Don't you know that's a slur against homosexuals?! Because of you, no less than 1000 homosexual children have been jailed for their beliefs. Shame on you.
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On May 02 2012 05:54 lightsentry wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:52 courtpanda wrote:
im asian and never heard the word gook until now.
yeah this, I'm asian too and I have no idea what gook means, wasn't even aware it was an asian slur
I'd guess you two aren't Indochinese. Watch any Vietnam war movie and the word is everywhere. Mostly an old man's word though, same with "charlie."
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On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?
My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.
It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
On May 02 2012 04:38 esperanto wrote:Don't know if this has been posted already, please everyone read this gaymers story: http://kotaku.com/5854012/this-gaymers-storyI never understood why ppl have fun in using faggot as a "bad" word. Comparing to the usuall gaming community I might be "grown up and old" but I think about the words that I write and I expect the same from the ppl that earn money through esports.
I'm going to quote this post again -- I don't think anyone has clicked the link to the story. Stop pretending that racial slurs aren't harmful, please.
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On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary.
How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from
1) He uses racist language when he's raging
to
2) he's racist.
that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
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This seems like less of a racial slur and more destiny trying to give his opinion on all the flaming going on about what people said.
I bet he chuckled a little before he said it, not at you, but at the idiots who would be trolling about it trying to compare it to orb. This type of thing is just Steven being a smart ass IMHO, nothing really that bad. It would be one thing if it was constant for every person like that, but it isn't.
His twitter post just affirms this assessment.
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On May 02 2012 05:50 windsupernova wrote:
Lol so apparently unless you are not part of the targeted grou pf certain insult you can't say anything about this?
What a moronic and selfish logic. Hopefully the people saying that are beardnecks that will never be in charge of anything important
Pretty funny how you're in here arguing in defense of a group of people who feel insulted, then turn around and insult another group of people (unprovoked).
I hope you're never in charge of anything important, seriously.
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On May 02 2012 05:51 LarJarsE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:48 LarJarsE wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
it would be nice for the people who answered this poll to explain themselves I chose that internet hate speech (or any hate speech really) is morally bad. its HATE speech people.. i think that hiding behind your online ID and using hate speech to piss someone off or intimidate them is LOW and lame as hell.
It is quite humorous how everyone voting that internet hate speech is justified. the poll is rhetorical. of course hate speech is morally bad. it is clear that those who just want to derail the thread because they simply "dont care what destiny does", are going to say everything any anything to defend hate speech, and will vote ridiculous answers on polls which answer should be a no-brainier for the modern civilized human
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I don't get what (some) people make out of this. There is clearly an issue here but I don't think it is what people think.
Words are words. Meanings are meanings. Words have certain meanings, but WHAT meanings they have is completely subjective. If I call a good friend a "fucking idiot" he knows that I don't really think that he is an idiot, I'm just mad and I said this to show that I'm mad. (And he also knows when I really mean that he is a fucking idiot, because it is also context-dependent)
The same thing is with strangers and "harsher" words. Calling someone a gook, nigger or whatever you want doesn't always mean that I mean "I want to offend you because of what ethnical background you have", it could just mean "I'm mad as fuck and I have brainfarts so I say this shit".
Now, we don't know what Destiny thought here or if he thought at all, but what the OP does here is pretty contrary to what he says.
@OP:
You say that you don't think that Destiny means it in a racist way, but what else is there? The only thing left is that he was mad at you for how you played, so basically this topic is about Destiny being mad and you getting offended by his reaction, not specifically racial slurs. And that, in my opinion, is something that happens every day and shouldn't be a "public issue".
(Otherwise, there could be the use of the word that offends you. But then I'm asking: Why do you use this word, too? Shouldn't that offend you? I guess not, because it's not the word, it's what people mean.)
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LOL @ OP changing the thread title to try and increase the ferocity of the shit storm at "Quantic" Destiny. What a piece of work...
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On May 02 2012 05:56 KiWiKaKi wrote:
pathetic thread
Pathetic post. You shouldn't raise an objection when you're completely unable to explain it.
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On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated.
Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything.
And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
While the discussion of how to tell whether someone is racist, I don't think it is particularly relevant. The question is not "is Destiny secretly a racist?" For all I know he is just a robot designed to stream SC while generating annoying banter. The question is "is this sort of behavior something that we want to condone from our public figures?"
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On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated.
Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything.
And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
Last time we had this issue, the community did not agree with your logic. While I don't think the consequences will be as bad for Destiny as they were for Orb, you are still on the wrong side of this argument...and there's a reason for that (hint: your'e wrong).
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On May 02 2012 05:57 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?
My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.
It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:38 esperanto wrote:Don't know if this has been posted already, please everyone read this gaymers story: http://kotaku.com/5854012/this-gaymers-storyI never understood why ppl have fun in using faggot as a "bad" word. Comparing to the usuall gaming community I might be "grown up and old" but I think about the words that I write and I expect the same from the ppl that earn money through esports. I'm going to quote this post again -- I don't think anyone has clicked the link to the story. Stop pretending that racial slurs aren't harmful, please.
Please note the difference between what Destiny is doing and what the guy had to face. In the poor gaymer's case he was being actively harassed by those and could not avoid it. One CAN turn on the mature audience filter if they're getting offended by the words they see on the ladder, and one CAN choose not to tune into Destiny's stream.
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On May 02 2012 05:53 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:51 CrugerDK wrote:
i dont get people sometimes....
if you find destiny offensive, dont watch his stream.
if you face him on ladder and hes being offensive, report him to blizzard like you could for anyone else you'd face...
going to sponsers?? really??
especially the people who are offended on behalf of someone else... really??
what ever happen to sticks and "stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?
i think some people should reconsider their priorities... I don't get why people like you feel the need to come into a thread and post a sentiment which has been voiced literally 100 times in almost the exact same words. It has been responded to even more times, just search through the thread. You're adding absolutely nothing to the discussion.
Just because his opinion is the same as others doesn't give him less of a right to post. It's like asking why the 100th person voted on 1 guy in elections if 99 people before him voted the same person.
To be honest, your post is of less value because it actually doesn't add any discussion that is related to the thread.
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On May 02 2012 05:57 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:58 Zoesan wrote:
Do you really think razer will care? Seriously?
My opinion on this is: if you get offended by words, you deserve to be offended. Destiny is famous because he cusses and sweards and uses slurs. Don't like it don't watch. I don't watch his stream, I don't like him particularly. But I'm not crying and bitching about the use of words. If he started killing asians (or what have you), that would be something else.
It's just like gay and faggot, words I use all the time. Hell, one of my best friends is gay and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the language I use, because he knows how I stand.
Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:38 esperanto wrote:Don't know if this has been posted already, please everyone read this gaymers story: http://kotaku.com/5854012/this-gaymers-storyI never understood why ppl have fun in using faggot as a "bad" word. Comparing to the usuall gaming community I might be "grown up and old" but I think about the words that I write and I expect the same from the ppl that earn money through esports. I'm going to quote this post again -- I don't think anyone has clicked the link to the story. Stop pretending that racial slurs aren't harmful, please.
Clicked it, read it, feel sorry for the guy, but, as usual, he's soapboxing against a word when the real problem is the abuse.
Plus there's always the lovely :
"When you say I am asking people to be too politically correct, I hear, "I want to keep kicking you, raping you, and subjecting you to painful court processes that go nowhere, and you're not allowed to ask me to stop."
Because, if you think I am oversensitive, I dearly hope you never go through a fraction of what I have. Otherwise, you might find that your skin isn't so much thick, as it has been largely untested. I am still here. I have been suicidal, but I am still here, ready to raise a middle finger, yell, and demand that I not be subhuman."
which just ranges from vindictive to wrong. If you're tying to get people to sympathize with you, telling them you want them to get the shit kicked out of them if they disagree isn't a very smart method.
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Personally, i dont care if anyone calls me anything only because its a word. Its just a word, and it means nothing because i let it mean nothing. If you or anyone else gets called anything and you get mad for whatever reason, congrats because you are a dumb fuck. So what if someone says nigger or gook or cracker, because it only means something of hate if you let it mean something of hate. In this specific case, say "GG" and wait for him to leave, if he types the whole dictionary of "hurtful" words so fucking what, if you dont like it then dont play, because you are never going to change the other person and stop them from being an asshole. ESPECIALLY destiny, because lets be honest, he just does not give a fuck.
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