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On May 02 2012 05:41 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:36 Ragados wrote:On May 02 2012 05:12 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:11 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:10 FairForever wrote:On May 02 2012 05:08 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:04 Audemed wrote:
He's more popular than Orb (IDK why), so no, he wont get fired.
Should contact quantic's sponsors though. No. Read the fucking thread instead of hoping in and posting shit. ? Many of us have read it, I know what InControl is saying but he's saying that as a beneficiary of the pro scene. I still choose to contact Razer. Good for you, destroy the scene you invested so much time in so 'the man' doesn't get his paycheck What? You expect companies like CBS to actually broadcast games if the competitors use derogatory, inflammatory and racist language? As I said earlier, if people want SC2 to grow bigger (eg. being on television), they have to accept that some acts (eg. racist remarks) are simply unacceptable. People are watching him play starcraft 2 from his HOUSE. Even if CBS aired Starcraft 2 games on tv, they sure as hell wouldn't be showing players' streaming from their home. In tournaments, we all know that players are strictly moderated and will never use words like Destiny and other players do while on the spot. He's inviting you into his personal life of starcraft, dont fucking tell him how he should act within his own fucking house. Besides, Destiny is a streamer, not a competitor, he has even fucking said it in interviews. Saying he shouldnt use WORDS that people find offensive is ridiculous and contacting sponsors and his team would be like contacting a movie production agency to sue a writer for using such WORDS. I absolutely love the Starcraft 2 community, but i must regrettably say that some people truly overestimate the gravity of the scene to think that one popular figure saying "nigger" or "gook" would make the scene collapse. Who the fuck wants a scene that only boasts skilled computer players and a lack of personality? Shit like this is necessary in every community (e-sports, sports) to encourage people to be themselves, and not change their image just so a few "progressives" wont get offended. Note to the guy i quoted, this isnt a personal rebuttal or disagreement, i just felt my post was relevant with yours. no hard feelings dood! thanks! Ragados There are plenty of people who are skilled at this game and have entertaining/controversial personalities - look at Naniwa. When Destiny streams from his home, he does so with his sponsors logos pasted all over his stream, he makes money off the people who he invites into his personal starcraft life. If people want him to stop doing this shit, stop watching him. I think the most disappointing thing here to some extent is people would rather watch players like Destiny rage rather than support better progamers who could really go places with the contracts/viewers Destiny gets. If you want to understand why the foreign scene isn't as good as the Korean scene it's because people like Destiny can make a living off of streaming/practicing while many other talented players can't because they don't act like a child when they lose (ie: they have the right attitude about learning to get better).
I have nothing else to say, you pretty much summed up what i could not, that was an ideal response dood hahaha
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This really isn't that big a deal. This is like trying to blame the sun for shining.
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On May 02 2012 05:44 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today. Lmao, talk about hyperbole. When pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward and saying 'yo, this isn't a big deal,' then no, I don't think it's because they're terrified of being attacked, I think it's because they actually don't give a shit. Also, I'm pretty sure the civil rights movement a) included a hell of a lot of Black people (not to mention it was led by them) and b) was about a lot more than some random guy in his house saying the word 'nigger.'
Not to get too far off topic, but you never answered my question about why you think its amusing? Why is it amusing that some people actual care about how other members feel or may take their choice of words?
It's obvious that the civil rights movement included "a hell of a lot of Black people." Maybe you are not American, but most people would agree that it would not have been successful if it wasn't for a hell of a lot of White people. Let's just be honest, a bunch of black people complaining that shit isn't fair or that they are offended, isn't going to magically change anything, especially when they are less than 15% of population.
In the same vein, a bunch of gay people or minorities complaining about Destiny won't change anything. Even if they are a vocal minority, its probably not enough people. But if you combine those people with white middle class males (one of sc2 sponsors biggest target demographics) who don't particularly like having Destiny represent SC2 to the outside world and possibly giving their game a bad name, well then maybe things may change.
And I just don't agree that pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward in this thread period. You just do not have a statistically significant sample size to make such a definitive statement one way or the other.
Anyway, I hope everything works out in the end.
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On May 02 2012 06:00 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. Last time we had this issue, the community did not agree with your logic. While I don't think the consequences will be as bad for Destiny as they were for Orb, you are still on the wrong side of this argument...and there's a reason for that (hint: your'e wrong).
Jesus, what a knock-down blow to my logic! I'm wrong! Heavens.
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On May 02 2012 05:48 LarJarsE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
I was gonna make an eloquent and rational argument but fuck this shit, I need to step away from TL for a while.
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People are narcissistic to think they can use words however they like. Intent is important but people don't realize there's a underlying reason why people decide to use faggot as an attack or insult in the first place. I used to use it too thinking that it's okay because I don't actually hate gays, but simply using it reinforces the idea that something is wrong with being gay. If you actually hate gay people then go ahead and use it, but acting like you're above its cultural connotation is silly!
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On May 02 2012 06:02 jnsjr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:44 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today. Lmao, talk about hyperbole. When pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward and saying 'yo, this isn't a big deal,' then no, I don't think it's because they're terrified of being attacked, I think it's because they actually don't give a shit. Also, I'm pretty sure the civil rights movement a) included a hell of a lot of Black people (not to mention it was led by them) and b) was about a lot more than some random guy in his house saying the word 'nigger.' Not to get too far off topic, but you never answered my question about why you think its amusing? Why is it amusing that some people actual care about how other members feel or may take their choice of words? It's obvious that the civil rights movement included "a hell of a lot of Black people." Maybe you are not American, but most people would agree that it would not have been successful if it wasn't for a hell of a lot of White people. Let's just be honest, a bunch of black people complaining that shit isn't fair or that they are offended, isn't going to magically change anything, especially when they are less than 15% of population. In the same vein, a bunch of gay people or minorities complaining about Destiny won't change anything. Even if they are a vocal minority, its probably not enough people. But if you combine those people with white middle class males (one of sc2 sponsors biggest target demographics) who don't particularly like having Destiny represent SC2 to the outside world and possibly giving their game a bad name, well then maybe things may change. And I just don't agree that pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward in this thread period. You just do not have a statistically significant sample size to make such a definitive statement one way or the other. Anyway, I hope everything works out in the end.
I think it's amusing because the people claiming this is offensive are doing so in the face of some people of actual minorities coming out and saying they're not offended.
Further, this isn't an issue of civil rights at all. It's completely subjective, prone to misunderstanding, and is frankly not really anyone's business. Nobody's rights are being violated, in short.
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On May 02 2012 06:03 OTIX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:48 LarJarsE wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
I was gonna make an eloquent and rational argument but fuck this shit, I need to step away from TL for a while.
It's a pretty terribly worded poll. Most people defending Destiny's action don't think what he said qualifies as hate speech.
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On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though.
I don't know if Destiny is a racist or not. I can't make that claim. That being said, Destiny saw a person type something in Korean and then called them a "gook". Many people (many of whom are perhaps unfamiliar with Destiny's views on language) would consider that racist and bigoted. Similarly seeing him call Koreans "dogs" when he plays on KR and rages, versus when he plays on the NA server and usually calls people "faggots" might cause people to find him racist.
Either way, it's dumb to have a firestorm about it - either stop watching his stream, email Quantic, or TL mods and say you want it defeatured if you have a problem with it. This thread is just one giant linguistics and sociological argument that will never be settled so long as the human race exists.
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On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated.
Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything.
And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
My god. What the hell are you talking about Shiori? Please stop polluting the universe with your thoughts.
Using racist language is what racists do. It is a pretty damn strong indicator.
And the thing about ducks, just stop it. No one is saying Destiny is racist because he is alive. The creature you mentioned might be a duck because it quacked like a duck.
And your argument in another post about how you shouldn't take offense about being called 'gay' unless you're homosexual is just so... I can't describe how bad it is.
Okay, you're an idiot. But don't take offense unless you really are slow in the head.
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On May 02 2012 05:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:50 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. And I have yet to see Destiny use racist slurs to intentionally offend people of a certain ethnicity, origin, etc. <-- THAT'S what I'd consider racist. Oh, you mean like calling an Asian person "gook"? So you actually believe what went through his mind was "This person is Asian, I will use this word because I hate Asians and I hope it offends him" ? He must really hate Asians, staying in a Korean progaming house and shit. I watched his stream during this time because I was interested and he got along with the players there. So man, people who know Destiny seem to get along with him. But I'm sure you know him better than all those people because of screenshots bro. Good night.
whether or not he thought the person who he was playing was Asian or not, the fact that he thinks that being a 'gook' if offence is pretty bad to start with. he essentially saying 'your asian, and thats a bad thing'
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I think that if you support destiny now is the time to contact the sponsors and let them know. Otherwise he is going to be fired or his stream is going to get ruined by the trolls, or the (less intelligent) people who dont understand context.
Just a real quick tweet or e-mail saying something like " I support quantic.Destiny" Or " I am a big fan of Destiny."
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I pity people whose feelings get hurt over words. There isn't a thing you can call me that would make me upset.
People say things they don't mean when they're angry. Everybody does, I know I do. If Destiny calls his senator and demands they pass a law against gay marriage because it's unnatural that would make him a homophobe, not because of what he types while playing a video game on the internet.
I often times use the words "nigger" and "faggot" but I am neither racist nor homophobic. I have gay friends, black friends, and asian friends. Words are just that, words. Who cares what I say when I'm mad on the internet?
Let me follow you around and record you everytime you get mad about something and then let everybody on the internet know please.
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On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated.
Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything.
And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
Notice how Destiny's fans and apologists constantly change the subject from whether what he said was racist to whether or not he is a true, dyed-in-the-wool racist. They are two separate questions entirely, you don't have to a racist in order to say something racist.
I'm white and obviously have no hatred for my own race. Does that mean I could say "All white people are murderous devils" and it wouldn't be a bigoted statement? Something is either racist or not, the fact that the person who said it isn't racist doesn't change that. Hate to break it you black-and-white thinkers but people who aren't hateful sometimes say hateful things. People who aren't insane sometimes say insane things.
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On May 02 2012 06:07 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck. My god. What the hell are you talking about Shiori? Please stop polluting the universe with your thoughts. Using racist language is what racists do. It is a pretty damn strong indicator. And the thing about ducks, just stop it. No one is saying Destiny is racist because he is alive. The creature you mentioned might be a duck because it quacked like a duck. And your argument in another post about how you shouldn't take offense about being called 'gay' unless you're homosexual is just so... I can't describe how bad it is. Okay, you're an idiot. But don't take offense unless you really are slow in the head.
It's always so nice to read the well-intentioned words of the considerate and even-tempered politically correct people.
You've missed the point by a mile and I don't feel like re-explaining it.
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I understand the growing of nuts part.. getting some thicker skin.. I understand the urge for venting/raging online.. but my stance is still the exact same for idra/destiny/orb.
This kind of hate speech is completely unnecessary and completely avoidable.. he could have typed 'gg' and left.. sure he's known for his typing speed and bm or w/e, but.. give me a goddamn break.. I don't understand how any individual thinks this is OK.. coming from someone, ANYone on a professional eSports team. He IS popular and as was said, entertains thousands on his stream.. this is how you want to be represented?
I do think it's going a bit far to contact his sponsors.. but on the other hand, from a business standpoint.. I WOULD NOT tolerate this kind of bm from ANYone on my payroll.. get real.
$0.02
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I honestly can't stand Pestiny. He's an Idra wannabe first of all. Secondly, ever see those commercials with the baby head on an adult body? Well Pestiny is the opposite, man head on a childs body. He would never use this language face to face to anybody. Pathetic lowlife doesn't deserve anything and he actually thinks he does because he is seriously arrogant.
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Lol, I don't even care about the racial slurs it worries me the amount of people who can't seem to be able to wrap their head around offensive words being *gasp* offensive.
No matter how much "enlightened"(yeah right lol) you think you are we live in a society that considers those words offensive. Destiny chose to use those words in a public manner and well some people don't like it hur dur. Do you guys seriously can't understand that while you might not find something offensive some people do?
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Regardless of whether you think it's right or wrong for him to be saying things like that, it looks terrible for a professional team to have a player like that being sponsored, when eSports is struggling to find legitimacy among mainstream sports. I'm sure professional athletes talk that way too, but they sure as hell don't talk that way while their microphone is on. If they did, they would be fined and potentially lose their sponsorship. That's the same thing that should happen here if you want this sport to grow.
TLDR: E-mail Quantic's sponsors if you're bothered by it, that's what happened with orb.
Edit: oh btw, for those of you who think "gook" was used incidentally...Destiny said it right after Warden typed asian characters into the chat. It was very intentionally used because he believed his opponent to be asian.
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On May 02 2012 05:57 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:55 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:51 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:47 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated.
Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything.
And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally). It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked. No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs. I don't care if people call Destiny racist. Those people are entitled to be presumptive buffoons. I care when people act like this is a logical or reasonable conclusion, because it's not. For what it's worth, I don't think using racial slurs is evidence of not being a racist either, but in the context Destiny used it, I figure it's evidence of basically nothing. I mean, if you want to infer that Destiny's a human being because he used human speech, or that he speaks English because he spoke an English word, then go for it. Spare me your poorly crafted and disingenuous witticisms though. Why does the context excuse this? He seems compelled to use racist/homophobic language, it seems fair to assume he is racist/homophobic. There is no evidence to the contrary. How in the holy mother of fuck do you move from 1) He uses racist language when he's raging to 2) he's racist. that's like saying: well, we know the creature is alive, therefore it's a duck. I mean, we don't know that it's a duck, but we don't know that it's not a duck, and it's possible that it could be a duck, so it's a duck.
Stop the fucking thread
Someone incessantly using racial slurs is accused of being racist!
How dare anyone accuse him of that!?
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