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As a community we need to get off these players' back. Sure we all want something greater for the game of Starcraft, but I highly doubt things like this are a major factor in its growth. Let the characters be characters, the natural process and growth of the eSports machine will dictate whether they stay or are forced out.
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On May 02 2012 05:37 Klondikebar wrote:
What's nonsense is that you think you can rewrite history and that you can define what is and isn't offensive for everyone else.
First off, we know Destiny's whole purpose of the BM was to specifically get under the OP's skin, not the whole Korean audience. The problem becomes exactly what you stated above - not everything is offensive to everyone, so it requires more niche words to actually offend the player. You can make fun of my Jewish heritage all day, make the sickest joke references you can imagine, and still, 0 fucks will be given from me. Is it the same to all Jewish people? Probably not. But at the end of the day, Destiny's whole purpose was to offend this player for his play style, which I'm 100% fine with.
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On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today.
And yet when someone tries to defend any women on TL you always get accused of white knighting.
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Destiny is more of an artist/performer than an player and the racial slurs are a part of his act. So that's it...
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Has it ever occured to anyone that he could secretly be getting paid by quantic to use "racial slurs" in order to stir up a publicity storm because nothing gets more views and posts than a thread about a player being bm right? What if this whole thing is what he really wanted to happen :o
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Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
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On May 02 2012 05:44 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today. Lmao, talk about hyperbole. When pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward and saying 'yo, this isn't a big deal,' then no, I don't think it's because they're terrified of being attacked, I think it's because they actually don't give a shit. Also, I'm pretty sure the civil rights movement a) included a hell of a lot of Black people (not to mention it was led by them) and b) was about a lot more than some random guy in his house saying the word 'nigger.'
It's awesome that you also presume to know the race of everyone posting in this thread. Not surprisingly, some people go to the internet to escape being immediately identified as a minority.
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On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist.
It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (e.g. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally).
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On May 02 2012 05:45 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today. And yet when someone tries to defend any women on TL you always get accused of white knighting.
It's one and the same problem, my friend.
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On May 02 2012 05:46 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:44 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:43 jnsjr wrote:On May 02 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:21 Denzil wrote:On May 02 2012 05:20 KimJongChill wrote:
I'm Korean and not bothered by this at all. Huge Destiny fan, always will be. It's hardly derogatory, and it just sounds like a silly racial slur that somebody tried way too hard to come up with. Jesus christ, haven't we gone over this shit before guys? Of course we have but this is a cycle and cycles always repeat. See you back here next thread I guess I always find it amusing that it's white, middle-class people who are offended the most by this so-called "hate speech," rather than, you know, the actual group it's supposedly hateful of. Why is this amusing? If it wasn't for white middle class people getting offended during the 50s and 60s, we would not have had the civil rights movement in the USA. Have you never stood up for or know someone that has stood up for someone being harassed for being gay or of a certain race? I'm not surprised by people who are Asian/Black/Gay who are actually offended by these remarks to not want to publicly out themselves in a community that seems to be ok with it. Why would you do such a think and subject yourself to more harassment and bullying? I thank God every day for middle-class white Americans who do take offense, because if it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be where I am today. Lmao, talk about hyperbole. When pretty much every person who's actually Asian is coming forward and saying 'yo, this isn't a big deal,' then no, I don't think it's because they're terrified of being attacked, I think it's because they actually don't give a shit. Also, I'm pretty sure the civil rights movement a) included a hell of a lot of Black people (not to mention it was led by them) and b) was about a lot more than some random guy in his house saying the word 'nigger.' It's awesome that you also presume to know the race of everyone posting in this thread. Not surprisingly, some people go to the internet to escape being immediately identified as a minority.
I'm not presuming anything. I'm going off of the people who have actually said "I'm Asian and...." Most of them say they don't care. You're the one acting as if this is some noble crusade, just like you did in the Orb thread.
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On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter.
Again, the logic that you are employing is complete white noise. You could put any term in it's place:
"Words don't make you antiquated. Being old-fashioned or outdated makes you antiquated. The former doesn't imply the latter."
There, using your brilliant logic I've just proven that a word can't be antiquated.
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On May 02 2012 05:46 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:44 HorsemasterK wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. All we can see is your words. I cannot know your inner thoughts and its logically fallacious to assume that, if you use racist language, you are anything BUT a racist. It's logically fallacious to infer Destiny is a racist from the fact that he used a racial slur outside of a context in which it would be obviously racist (i.e. if he were giving a speech at a Neo-Nazi rally).
It is logically fallacious to infer that a creature is a duck because it quacked.
No seriously, if you don't want people calling you a racist, don't use racist slurs.
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On May 02 2012 05:29 Primadog wrote:Poll: If you're asian, are you offended?I am offended by this thread (78) 46% I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (50) 30% I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (40) 24% 168 total votes Your vote: If you're asian, are you offended? (Vote): I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am offended by this thread
As expected. The only offensive thing going on is this thread.
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On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
internet censorship bad. lets make a more fair poll
Poll: internet hate speech.. is it (morally)bad (71) 64% justified (40) 36% 111 total votes Your vote: internet hate speech.. is it (morally) (Vote): bad
(Vote): justified
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On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense.
Try using your brain a little. I also edited my post.
Words don't make you a racist, it's the intention that does. And I have yet to see Destiny use racist slurs to intentionally offend people of a certain ethnicity, origin, etc. <-- THAT'S what I'd consider racist.
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On May 02 2012 05:30 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:29 Primadog wrote:Poll: If you're asian, are you offended?I am offended by this thread (78) 46% I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (50) 30% I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP (40) 24% 168 total votes Your vote: If you're asian, are you offended? (Vote): I am offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am not offended by the destiny screenshot in OP
(Vote): I am offended by this thread
Voted being offended by the thread. We have all made mistakes before - personally I have used some derogatory language that I wish I could take bakc. But the reaction of Destiny in this thread does sadden me.
This thread is about 100 times more offensive than what Destiny said.
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On May 02 2012 05:37 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:35 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:34 thatsundowner wrote:On May 02 2012 05:32 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:29 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 05:28 Orracle wrote:On May 02 2012 05:17 Klondikebar wrote:
IdrA is a bad boy.
Stephano is a bad boy.
LastShadow is (at least perceived as) a bad boy.
They all manage to do it without bigotry. Bigotry does not add a rich dimension to any personality. It just makes you an asshole (and not the likeable kind).
I'm assuming you're not too familiar with these players. Idra? The person who for a while would essentially use faggot every time he lost a game? LastShadow, who verbally taunted Desrow with homophobic slurs and about his weight so much, that Desrow physically attacked him? IdrA has specifically cleaned up his act. He doesn't get to be lumped in with the hateful players anymore. I was not aware of the LastShadow incident. Yeah, because merely expressing how terrible everyone who beats him is in a considerate way is leagues above calling someone a 'nigger.' Makes all kinds of sense. One isn't insulting to an entire group of people who have suffered unthinkable hardship over the course of history, you fucking idiot. Actually, neither are. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that using the word 'nigger' in casual speech is somehow a blanket attack on all black people everywhere. It's just nonsense. What's nonsense is that you think you can rewrite history and that you can define what is and isn't offensive for everyone else.
The meaning of words change. No word has the power to offend an entire race. Being a dick to everyone you beat is just as hateful as spewing random profanities(gook, nigger, fuck, etc.) after losing a game.(In my opinion its worse to be a dick after you win).
In history Nigger was a term people used to remind blacks that they were of a lower class then the people saying it. Now the word is a term of endearment between young black men.
You try to define what is offensive to everyone else just as much as the person you quote when you imply that nigger is offensive to all black people. Being offensive does not equal being racist. I dont know why this concept confuses so many people.
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On May 02 2012 05:47 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:42 Shiori wrote:On May 02 2012 05:42 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 02 2012 05:37 Silvertine wrote:On May 02 2012 05:30 Bigtony wrote:
I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "racist." People are racist. I'm of the opinion that words are words. A word cannot be "antiquated". People are antiquated. Your logic is basically white noise, it could used to state anything. And yet he's right. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. What are you talking about? That is probably the tenth post you've made in this thread which hasn't made a lick of sense. Words don't make you a racist. Being prejudiced against another race makes you racist. The former doesn't imply the latter. Again, the logic that you are employing is complete white noise. You could put any term in it's place. "Words don't make you antiquated. Being old-fashioned or outdated make you antiquated. The former doesn't imply the latter." There, using your brilliant logic I've just proven that a word can't be antiquated.
Good thing antiquated is an adjective which describes temporal character, and racism is an ascription which only makes sense viz. an agent.
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On May 02 2012 05:46 Kaitlin wrote:Poll: Internet Censorship ...is bad. (67) 85% is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good. (7) 9% is good. (5) 6% 79 total votes Your vote: Internet Censorship ... (Vote): is good.
(Vote): is bad.
(Vote): is bad, unless I happen to agree, then it's good.
This is kind of a general comment that doesn't really explain the situation.
Internet censorship isn't needed - but Destiny's actions should be taken seriously by the public.
The fact that many of you are saying not to go to his sponsors already says something: That you know that his actions would be deemed unacceptable by Razer. If you thought he didn't do anything wrong in society's eyes, you would have no issue with the complaints.
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On May 02 2012 05:44 EL33T_COL wrote:
I don't think this kind of language, not used in a bad joke or something like that, does have its place in something that want to be called "professional" or "sport".
I just hope he apologies for this.
This is another reason why I believe this game and community is not mature enough to go "big"
But he doesn't think what he's doing is wrong, so he won't be apologizing.
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