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I am Norwegian.
I think it sounds horribly biased.
He was driving a car, ran over some people, barely missed others, and all the witnesses are against him.
Just doesn't sound very ... reliable ... the way he presents it.
And the newspaper here didn't bother checking with any other parties in the case ...
Also ... student? 32 year old guy I think ...
The language used is only meant to gain sympathy, not present the case unbiased. I'd wager if you asked the people that were hurt, they would have a different story to tell.
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On April 24 2012 19:06 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. 1. Don't go into comedy. 2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us. However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up. Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem. How is this case a complicated issue? Unless the article is baised and incorrect to a very high degree, it's complitely ridiculous, he's being held for 6 months over basically nothing. If the same thing happened in Sweden, not only would I not be surprised in you shitstorming over it, I would be right next to you shit storming over it, and so would the rest of the majority of the swedish population.
How Isn't this complicated? We have so many pieces of critical information that we do not know that are absolutely required for establishing certain conditions for imprisonment / accquital. That doesn't exactly make the decision black and white for us outside of the case. Looking at the article itself (which is heinously written in my opinion) we can deduce that there were a lot of uncommon, questionable things that happened that day. Sure the guy got punched in the face, but does that mean he can hit other bystanders with the car in an attempt to get away? I'm not sure. It depends on the details, of which we don't have whatsoever. To make any judgments off an article that is incomplete and has poor writing quality is simply a stupid decision that caves into emotional impulses.
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Whoever punched that man in the face was wrong. But you can understand how a man would want to punch someone if he thinks a car almost just killed his wife and child. But you have to understand that a car is just as dangerous as any weapon. Being a good driver involves remaining calm when in a bad situation.
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On April 24 2012 19:28 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will take learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.
If your driving includes driving into mobs of civilians then I hope to god no Europeans comes to the US and runs over me at my family reunion.
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Why are people saying he's a kid? He's 32! Why did he continue to drive down a one way street filled with people yelling at him? The VG article is pretty biased, they make it sound like he's just some hapless norwegian that doesn't know any better. If you manage to hit pedestrians with your car (6 of them) you've done something fucking stupid and should be held accountable.
That said, getting convicted of aggrevated assult with a deadly weapon is a joke. Hopefully for him, he'll be able to serve his sentence in Norway.
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On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.
I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.
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On April 24 2012 19:25 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post. Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal. For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo. I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted. This is probably not a fake.
The US publishes names if they are over 18
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On April 24 2012 19:31 Pillage wrote:
Sure the guy got punched in the face, but does that mean he can hit other bystanders with the car in an attempt to get away? I'm not sure. It depends on the details, of which we don't have whatsoever. To make any judgments off an article that is incomplete and has poor writing quality is simply a stupid decision that caves into emotional impulses.
If an angry mob assaults you and breaks your nose, you sure as hell wouldnt just stay there to make sure they break some more of your bones. You would get the hell out of there, its the right logical decision, but in that sitation you dont act on logic anway. You bloody flee, thats an instinct.
Shooting first if you feel threatend is all right, but fleeing in panic after being assaulted isnt? What the fuck is wrong with people....
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On April 24 2012 19:36 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:25 Euronyme wrote:On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post. Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal. For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo. I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted. This is probably not a fake. The US publishes names if they are over 18
Yea, name and picture of the "murderer". Then when hes found innocent....nothing. Good stuff.
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Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.
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On April 24 2012 19:35 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.
I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.
I doubt this incident would have happened had the man been in his native country. On the other hand, I can imagine myself being a bad driver if I was in unfamiliar territory, such as Norway. The takeawy is to familiarize yourself before you go to a new place.
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hopefully he'll be shipped back to norway, when these things happen norway send a lot of diplomats etc to try and get them home so they can serve their time here, even though he shouldn't server time at all in my opinion.
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On April 24 2012 19:40 Elroi wrote:
Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.
Please stop acting like every place outside of the United States is a Utopia.
http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html
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On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:No It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.
Must suck to be wrong.
I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.
I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.
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On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.
I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.
By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.
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On April 24 2012 19:28 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.
Haha agreed.
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these things can only happen in the U.S
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On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.
I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face. By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.
The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.
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Just that it is more common to occure in the US.
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