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UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:10 GMT
#101
On April 24 2012 20:08 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:03 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:59 elKaDor wrote:
these things can only happen in the U.S


Bad things happen in other places too

. http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


Just that it is more common to occure in the US.


He said it only happens here.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#102
On April 24 2012 20:07 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.

The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.


I can make stories too!
John and his mother was driving down the road, whilst discussion religion and how great jesus are, when all of a sudden they ended up in the middle of a large crowd of angry americans. John does not understand what their problem is, so he rolls down the window so he can sort out the problem. When he rolls down the window, an angry african american yells "Take this you motherfucker" and hits John on his nose so hard that it gets broken. John gets really scared and gets a bit over protective of his mother and hits reverse and tries to drive away to stop all the trouble. When he finaly gets out of the crowd he calls the cops and calmy tells them what happened.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#103
The OP screams of bias.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#104
This norwegian guy sure is bad at driving.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 24 2012 11:14 GMT
#105
The guy has a record... I dont really believe this article, looks like it was written by a lawyer. I need to see another source on the matter, until then I highly doubt he is the most unlucky person ever.

What was he doing at the school in order to be branded a terrorist anyways? They dont even elaborate on that, most likely becuase he deserved to be kicked out.
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
April 24 2012 11:16 GMT
#106
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...

User was temp banned for this post.
Don't be asshats
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 11:16 GMT
#107
On April 24 2012 20:13 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:07 Irave wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.

The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.


I can make stories too!
John and his mother was driving down the road, whilst discussion religion and how great jesus are, when all of a sudden they ended up in the middle of a large crowd of angry americans. John does not understand what their problem is, so he rolls down the window so he can sort out the problem. When he rolls down the window, an angry african american yells "Take this you motherfucker" and hits John on his nose so hard that it gets broken. John gets really scared and gets a bit over protective of his mother and hits reverse and tries to drive away to stop all the trouble. When he finaly gets out of the crowd he calls the cops and calmy tells them what happened.

You already have your over sensationalized story in the form of the newspaper article, nice try though.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:18 GMT
#108
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 11:19 GMT
#109
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:21 GMT
#110
On April 24 2012 20:19 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?


I just think that people are posting and making comments as if every country besides the US is perfect. I'll stop now, I'm tired.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#111
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.


It is in fact so spun that the Norwegian consulate in Phoenix, Arizona, stated that "This is a disgrace for the United States. At worst, he should be fined for reckless driving, at best freed of all charges."

Come on, man...
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freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:29:34
April 24 2012 11:27 GMT
#112
On April 24 2012 20:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:19 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?


I just think that people are posting and making comments as if every country besides the US is perfect. I'll stop now, I'm tired.

I think apart from some people that just hate the us for no reason thats not the case.

You dont seem to get it. Me, and obviously alot of other people, think your legal system is partly messed up. We really dont care if you post links of other legal systems being messed up, that doesnt change the fact that yours isnt perfect.

Then again you really dont wanna quote examples, especially not the same one 3 times, your giving people way to much ammunition seeing as, for example, the examples for fked up legal cases in Sweden is gonna by be lower than the ones in the us..
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
April 24 2012 11:33 GMT
#113
I don't know why people from the US can't just accept that they have horrible social problems in threads like these. It's kind of pathetic that you guys get so defensive over stuff that can't be defended. If you don't like it then become an activist and try to make things better. You're the only ones who can actually do that. People in Germany can't help you. You need to do it for yourselves.
IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:39:31
April 24 2012 11:34 GMT
#114
On April 24 2012 19:41 treekiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:35 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.




I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.


I doubt this incident would have happened had the man been in his native country. On the other hand, I can imagine myself being a bad driver if I was in unfamiliar territory, such as Norway. The takeawy is to familiarize yourself before you go to a new place.


Yes, it would indeed be intelligent to familiarize yourself before visiting unfamilar places. Funny tho, had you done what this guy allegedly did here worst you'd ever have gotten was MAYBE a ticket for reckless driving. Probably the police wouldn't even have been involved, and certainly not an armed SWAT-team.

Interesting thing though, what the OP fails to mention (but is mentioned in the actual Norwegian newspaper article) is that this guy have been in some troubles before. Apparently he moved out of the country due to being violated as a child, apparently assulted in illinois in 2002, and he also was expelled from University of South Alabama for being a potential terrorist candidate. (No explanation is given.)

Don't know exactly what to make of the story, but no matter what, he is being treated way too harsh as far as I'm concerned. Certainly what he did is being downplayed, but it's also pretty clear that the American justice system is completely crazed sometimes. (The whole jury system is retarded in my opinion.)

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.


This proves retardedness I think. You really think this is a good idea? "Hey, if we charge this guy with something completely ludicrous, perhaps he will plead guilty to something kinda bad that he may or may not have done."

I'm baffled completely.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
April 24 2012 11:35 GMT
#115
On April 24 2012 20:26 Dr_Jones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.


It is in fact so spun that the Norwegian consulate in Phoenix, Arizona, stated that "This is a disgrace for the United States. At worst, he should be fined for reckless driving, at best freed of all charges."

... was that the consulate? I thought it was the guys lawyer ... who is paid to think that.
Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:39 GMT
#116
On April 24 2012 20:14 CaptainCrush wrote:
The guy has a record... I dont really believe this article, looks like it was written by a lawyer. I need to see another source on the matter, until then I highly doubt he is the most unlucky person ever.

What was he doing at the school in order to be branded a terrorist anyways? They dont even elaborate on that, most likely becuase he deserved to be kicked out.


His "record" is having a parking ticket and a warning from the police for disturbance of public order. This was then used as plausible explanations for his terrorist plans to poison the drinking water in Mobile, Alabama, were he was currently studying a 4 year degree in bioengineering. Post 9/11 blues, for sure, all foreigners are potential terrorists. That particular case was taken to civil court, where he won against the University of South Alabama.

Your reasoning is flawed. Your conclusions are wrong. Sit down, shut up.
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Zac4564
Profile Joined April 2012
5 Posts
April 24 2012 11:40 GMT
#117
Are the norwegians the new Asians?
Bloop
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
April 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#118
On April 24 2012 19:46 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:40 Elroi wrote:
Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.


Please stop acting like every place outside of the United States is a Utopia.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You do realize that Assange is only having troubles because of US diplomatic pressure (on both the UK and Sweden)? This isn't a problem with our legal system as much as it is a problem with power abuse from the US. I would wish the Swedish state (and the legal system) would have been strong enough to resist such diplomatic pressure, but that is obviously not the case.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:44:45
April 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#119

[...]and he also was expelled from University of South Alabama for being a potential terrorist candidate. (No explanation is given.)


Now THAT sounds like a juicy story!

Edit: nvm, explained above. Buzzkilling typical 9/11 fear mongering.
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Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:48 GMT
#120
On April 24 2012 20:40 Zac4564 wrote:
Are the norwegians the new Asians?


Nah, dude, we suck at Starcraft
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