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On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.
did you watch penn & teller bullshit by any chance?
true there's a lot of bashing of the US, even in this thread..
but there are also a real concern behind this..
The kid is in jail (seen in the interview), he called 911 himself, for getting his nose broken (video, soundclip from the 911 call)
I dont care what country this happened in.. if this side of the case is more true than the other side.. this is shit wherever it happens
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this is crazy... poor guy.
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On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.
There's truth in what you say, but media distrortion doesn't really matter in a lot of cases where it's clearcut. Such as SOPA and PITA, such as how ridiculous most republican candidates are, such as the almost daily news of police brutality, such as the high amount of school shootings. There's just so many issues coming up constantly. Add to that a media which wants to paint it worse than it is, coupled with weak support for american wars, and it's a no-brainer that USA bashing becomes prominent when stuff like this surfaces.
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On April 24 2012 18:28 ZergOwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing. did you watch penn & teller bullshit by any chance? true there's a lot of bashing of the US, even in this thread.. but there are also a real concern behind this.. The kid is in jail (seen in the interview), he called 911 himself, for getting his nose broken (video, soundclip from the 911 call) I dont care what country this happened in.. if this side of the case is more true than the other side.. this is shit wherever it happens
I saw them do that hoax but I've heard of it before then. A 6th grade substitute teacher of mine did it to our class.
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If he really tried to kill or assault those seven people, why would he call 911?
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On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.
1. Don't go into comedy.
2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us.
However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up.
Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem.
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The story clearly states the man already has been found guilty, and is awaiting the sentence today. This without actual proof, beyond what the involved parties themselves claim to be true. If anything, this just goes to show how ridiculously inadequate the use of the jury system can be. How a case like this is deemed fit to be decided by a "jury of one's peers" with such delicate state of evidence, is beyond me. I honestly can't comprehend how anyone can claim to have proven intention to seriously injure of kill here, the whole thing seems just ridiculous.
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Nothing about this sounds right. Happened 7 months ago, never a word heard about it, or trace. Then suddenly we have inside access from some Norwegian news site. Surely Stephen Colbert would have entertained this story.
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On April 24 2012 18:33 Pusekatten wrote:
If he really tried to kill or assault those seven people, why would he call 911?
Indeed. And why would he try to kill people in a small town in which he had only been for six and a half minute? Why didn't the police assign an investigator until five weeks after the incident?
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On April 24 2012 18:45 Irave wrote:
Nothing about this sounds right. Happened 7 months ago, never a word heard about it, or trace. Then suddenly we have inside access from some Norwegian news site. Surely Stephen Colbert would have entertained this story.
That's nothing new. Even bigger stories get ignored by the MSM. For example, ever hear about the huge '08 disaster at the coal plant in Tenn? "The largest environmental disaster of its kind" and I could only get info at the time from independent sources. Zero coverage on the networks.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/24/spill_at_tennessee_coal_plant_creates
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My mom ran over my entire foot with a Mercedes S500. Thats a ton of car on my foot, i didn't get any broken bones, i didn't call the cops to say she committed deadly assault on me. Seriously, sometimes some of the shit you read about America, i'm just sitting here slack jawed, thanking fuck I don't live there anymore.
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On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. 1. Don't go into comedy. 2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us. However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up. Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem.
How is this case a complicated issue? Unless the article is baised and incorrect to a very high degree, it's complitely ridiculous, he's being held for 6 months over basically nothing. If the same thing happened in Sweden, not only would I not be surprised in you shitstorming over it, I would be right next to you shit storming over it, and so would the rest of the majority of the swedish population.
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Stuff like this happens way too often in the US.
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After many studies and false-arrest, American scientist have snapped a photo of what they believe is a world outside of the United States:
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On April 24 2012 19:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
My mom ran over my entire foot with a Mercedes S500. Thats a ton of car on my foot, i didn't get any broken bones, i didn't call the cops to say she committed deadly assault on me. Seriously, sometimes some of the shit you read about America, i'm just sitting here slack jawed, thanking fuck I don't live there anymore.
Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point in school, let me help. The deadly assault I assume they are referring to may involve a crowd of people that he was driving through, probably more directly related to the part "There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving."
That being said, this is an awful awful awful article, clearly written with an agenda and it's honestly sad how many people are reading far too much into this. The guy screwed up, and his screw ups compounded and eventually lead to criminal charges. Now I can't argue whether or not they are deserved, I can argue that this article shows about 60% of the situation and that 60% is colored in a way that is meant to upset people. It's the internet (people lie, people exaggerate, people inflate) not to mention this is apparently translated.
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I dont know this is even possible
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On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.
EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised. can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population. 1. It was a joke man, calm down. 2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US. Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed
Funny talking about reasonable in this context.
The meaningfull thing being discussed is how it can be that there seems to be such a high amount of "unreasonable" people making law decisions in the U.S.. At least compared to any other first world country thats pretty much a joke, not even this case in particular, cause we dont know both sides yet, but theres enough cases that makes my want to gauge my eyes out. Stuff like this is more or less unimagable where im from, and in some severe cases it looks nothing short of lynching with no sense of justice or law whatsoever. If stuff like that happens more than once, you dont need to be suprised that people are willing to believe a story like this while they only heard one side of it.
Also people need to ease up on both "country bashing" but also on abusing the term "country bashing". If a civilian does something stupid in the US ( insert any other country if you like) it has nothing to do with the United States as a whole.
If the law system of the USA does retarded stuff, then theres nothing wrong with saying that in that situation the STATE deserves to be critised. Whether you want to call it "critising" or "bashing" is up to you.
I would happily and willingy bash my own country if something like that would happen here tomorrow.
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Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.
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On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.
Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal.
For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo.
I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted.
This is probably not a fake.
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On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?
Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?
I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.
If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.
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