Help a BW Fan Out - Page 7

On April 09 2012 04:59 DeepElemBlues wrote:


comments like this show you dont watch enough SC2 to criticize it for what you think it doesn't have

On April 09 2012 05:30 Sawamura wrote:


I think bio mech has been available for bw but it is rarely used in TvT although Sea pulled these bio mech strategy really well and I really wish all bw TvT games would incorporate bio and mech together despite tanks being pretty good at what they do .

On April 09 2012 05:32 TaShadan wrote:


possible
plz send me links to VODS where i can see such actions

On April 09 2012 04:56 Bleak wrote:


You misunderstood me. I'm not saying the rest of the units don't shine with good control. They do. But a Blink upgrade or good Force Field control can really turn the tide of battle. The ability and the upgrade takes those units and elavates them way more then their main intended combat use. Day9 explained this it nicely in a daily with values etc.

If your opponent has 50 marines and you have 50 banelings it doesn't really matter how much you split. Yes I've seen Foxer, now MKP split insanely and it's nice to watch, but I've seen countless many games where banelings just crash in and Marines fall like dominos. Alternatively, it doesn't matter what you can do with say, Marines versus Fungal Growth. You get Fungalled and you die. That's it. Forcefield is kinda the same, but it is way harder (still not insanely harder) to pull of than a fungal. When Z attacks you with 40 roaches at 12min and when you are only 120 supply as Protoss, those FF need to be really good so that you can survive. And when that's pulled off, that is amazing. There aren't many things like this in SC2.

Then again these are my opinions and people are free to believe what they want.

On April 09 2012 05:30 Bagi wrote:

Then maybe you're just pretentious?

You said it yourself, you can't even rationalize your opinion.

On April 09 2012 05:34 Mauldo wrote:
Yeah, there's no helping you. Your post is nothing more than a bunch of "I'm not trying to say SC2 is a shitty game, but it is because of these reasons from a year and a half ago." If you've seriously seen every Day9 daily then you've seen SC2 strategy evolve from the one-base cheeses and pushes into what it is today. And if you can't at least appreciate that level of evolution in about two years then I can't help you.

As far as the "battles are too fast," that's like criticizing American Football for having short bursts of plays (the actual downs) followed by pauses (1st down finished, wait to set up 2nd down, 2nd down finished, wait to set up 3rd down). You're just going to have to accept it as a part of the game. I can't make you accept it.

And if you refuse to look for good micro then you're not going to find it. I know you dismissed it, but MKP marine micro is godly, HuK blink micro, and DRG's control are all good examples.

You're looking for 12 years of refinement in a 2 year old game I think. And if you're not, then I don't know what you want. It honestly sounds like a thinly veiled bitch post about SC2 that I'm surprised the mods haven't closed yet for being troll bait.

On April 09 2012 05:36 Sawamura wrote:


oh it was boxer v hiya

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On April 09 2012 05:28 antiRW wrote:
Many people have said it already, but as someone who previously watched and played SC:BW and now watches and plays SC2, I have to stress that I think your first point, "lack of strategy", is simply not true. It might have been more true months ago, when the game seemed to be a lot more rock-paper-scissors-based and strategies as well as game understanding was not as developed. I am not really sure how to convince you on this point thought. But as an example, take your description of the recent Fantasy vs Flash game. You will find similar early push into containment into timely retread vs tech into map positioning etc. scenarios in many high level TvTs, PvPs and to some extent in PvTs. One thing that (I think) is really still lacking in SC2 is commentators pointing out these things correctly. Some do a good job at this, but many will not commentate on the crucial strategic decisions happening in the background. I often find myself thinking and/or appreciating things that I would not understand if i was not playing the game myself.

Your points 2) and 3) I feel are somewhat valid. But SC2 seems to be improving on both fronts as time goes by as well. The rather boring no action into 200vs200 army battle-style games are much less common now. The overall easier macro in SC2 and the higher rate of unit production/larger armies probably reduce the effects of micro of individual units. The make the overall army positioning extremely important though, and don't away from the fact that high APM will increase your skill and the effectiveness of your army.

On April 09 2012 05:03 mrtomjones wrote:

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On April 09 2012 05:36 MCXD wrote:
The problem with threads like this is that almost everyone whiteknighting SC2 have barely watched any BW, and anyone going on about how awesome BW is have barely watched any SC2.

BW players will hate SC2 for as long as they expect it to be "BW with better graphics", and not settle for anything different. They are simply not comparable at the current time. They are different games.

Though I will say that the BW community is heck of a lot better than the SC2 community. All you have to do is compare the IPL/GSL LR threads to the OSL/SPL LR threads.

On April 09 2012 05:43 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Wait, so OP doesn't like SC2, and he wants us to change his mind by posting VOD's of pros playing really well? Is that it?