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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
April 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#101
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:26:54
April 08 2012 20:24 GMT
#102
it's not nostalgia, is the feeling that BW trasmits, that is better, the battle in BW are simply more enjoyable

anyway if u want to like more SC2, just put the BW sounds, now for me SC2 is much more fun with the good old BW sounds
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:25:46
April 08 2012 20:24 GMT
#103
be optimistic, they have two more expansions. we can riot afterwards
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:25:18
April 08 2012 20:24 GMT
#104
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in sc2 tvt, which makes the game more interesting.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
April 08 2012 20:25 GMT
#105
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
April 08 2012 20:25 GMT
#106
nothing makes me happier than sharing my opinion with random people on the internet....





oh wait

User was warned for this post
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
April 08 2012 20:26 GMT
#107
On April 09 2012 05:21 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:19 Micket wrote:
I don't know why but even the a move units in brood war aren't boring to watch. Mass roach vs protoss is the most bland strategy ever and literally looks like a move fest. Mass hydra vs protoss in BW is also quite boring, but still tiers above the boringness that is mass roach. I don't know why tbh, maybe its the unit size, unit movement, the graphics, something.



This is pure nostalgia.

What if I told you that I only started watching BW after sc2 came out.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
April 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#108
On April 09 2012 05:25 HorsemasterK wrote:
nothing makes me happier than sharing my opinion with random people on the internet....





oh wait


That's two insightful posts you've provided to this thread. Thanks for the effort.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:27:55
April 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#109
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

Just a preemptive warning.
Ignore the people that tell you to watch Boxer vs Rain on meta.lol
Cackle™
antiRW
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:30:39
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#110
Many people have said it already, but as someone who previously watched and played SC:BW and now watches and plays SC2, I have to stress that I think your first point, "lack of strategy", is simply not true. It might have been more true months ago, when the game seemed to be a lot more rock-paper-scissors-based and strategies as well as game understanding was not as developed. I am not really sure how to convince you on this point thought. But as an example, take your description of the recent Fantasy vs Flash game. You will find similar early push into containment into timely retreat vs tech into map positioning etc. scenarios in many high level TvTs, PvPs and to some extent in PvTs. One thing that (I think) is really still lacking in SC2 is commentators pointing out these things correctly. Some do a good job at this, but many will not commentate on the crucial strategic decisions happening in the background. I often find myself thinking and/or appreciating things that I would not understand if i was not playing the game myself.

Your points 2) and 3) I feel are somewhat valid. But SC2 seems to be improving on both fronts as time goes by as well. The rather boring no action into 200vs200 army battle-style games are much less common now. The overall easier macro in SC2 and the higher rate of unit production/larger armies probably reduce the effects of micro of individual units. The make the overall army positioning extremely important though, and don't away from the fact that high APM will increase your skill and the effectiveness of your army.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#111
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.


If you are looking for exciting play I definitely agree that you should check TvT and TvZ. Those are the only matchups that have some sort of positional play due to Siege Tanks being still relevant in those matchups.

Just try to ignore Marauders
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#112
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

unfortunately, no. i dont keep track of games/vods, and there is no small vod thread (best part of the sc:bw forum imo). i could only recommend names, but that wouldnt be terribly helpful for you. IPL is about to have a bunch of tvts though in the next couple hours. maybe they will be good.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#113
On April 09 2012 05:26 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:19 Micket wrote:
I don't know why but even the a move units in brood war aren't boring to watch. Mass roach vs protoss is the most bland strategy ever and literally looks like a move fest. Mass hydra vs protoss in BW is also quite boring, but still tiers above the boringness that is mass roach. I don't know why tbh, maybe its the unit size, unit movement, the graphics, something.



This is pure nostalgia.

What if I told you that I only started watching BW after sc2 came out.


hipster much?
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#114
brat_ok and thorzain had pretty sick games in the gathering this weekend
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 20:30:17
April 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#115
On April 09 2012 05:27 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

Just a warning.
Ignore the people that tell you to watch Boxer vs Rain on meta.lol


Was that the super long game in MLG? I saw that, and it reminded me of super late game TvT in BW. The sort of game that rarely comes up, and is only entertaining to watch because it is so rare.


On April 09 2012 05:28 antiRW wrote:
Many people have said it already, but as someone who previously watched and played SC:BW and now watches and plays SC2, I have to stress that I think your first point, "lack of strategy", is simply not true. It might have been more true months ago, when the game seemed to be a lot more rock-paper-scissors-based and strategies as well as game understanding was not as developed. I am not really sure how to convince you on this point thought. But as an example, take your description of the recent Fantasy vs Flash game. You will find similar early push into containment into timely retread vs tech into map positioning etc. scenarios in many high level TvTs, PvPs and to some extent in PvTs. One thing that (I think) is really still lacking in SC2 is commentators pointing out these things correctly. Some do a good job at this, but many will not commentate on the crucial strategic decisions happening in the background. I often find myself thinking and/or appreciating things that I would not understand if i was not playing the game myself.

Your points 2) and 3) I feel are somewhat valid. But SC2 seems to be improving on both fronts as time goes by as well. The rather boring no action into 200vs200 army battle-style games are much less common now. The overall easier macro in SC2 and the higher rate of unit production/larger armies probably reduce the effects of micro of individual units. The make the overall army positioning extremely important though, and don't away from the fact that high APM will increase your skill and the effectiveness of your army.


Again, if you think it's untrue, i would appreciate VODS. Remember, i want to be wrong.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 08 2012 20:29 GMT
#116
On April 09 2012 05:27 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

Just a preemptive warning.
Ignore the people that tell you to watch Boxer vs Rain on meta.lol

was that the one with all of the bcs, vikings and ravens?
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
April 08 2012 20:29 GMT
#117
On April 09 2012 05:28 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:27 TheKefka wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

Just a warning.
Ignore the people that tell you to watch Boxer vs Rain on meta.lol


Was that the super long game in MLG? I saw that, and it reminded me of super late game TvT in BW. The sort of game that rarely comes up, and is only entertaining to watch because it is so rare.

It was like 2 Canata's playing against each other.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 08 2012 20:30 GMT
#118
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.


I think bio mech has been available for bw but it is rarely used in TvT although (T)Sea pulled these bio mech strategy really well and I really wish all bw TvT games would incorporate bio and mech together despite tanks being pretty good at what they do .

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
April 08 2012 20:30 GMT
#119
On April 09 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:27 TheKefka wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:25 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 deafhobbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:23 Wildmoon wrote:
Somehow I find TvT and TvZ in SC2 more fun than in BW.


Why

for tvt, siege lines. bio and mech are both available in tvt, which makes the game more interesting.


Fair enough. Besides what's already come up, are there any TvT's in particular you'd recommend checking out.

Just a preemptive warning.
Ignore the people that tell you to watch Boxer vs Rain on meta.lol

was that the one with all of the bcs, vikings and ravens?

Yea the one that nothing happened for 20 minute because the map got cut in half.
Cackle™
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
April 08 2012 20:30 GMT
#120
On April 09 2012 05:26 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 05:21 Wildmoon wrote:
On April 09 2012 05:19 Micket wrote:
I don't know why but even the a move units in brood war aren't boring to watch. Mass roach vs protoss is the most bland strategy ever and literally looks like a move fest. Mass hydra vs protoss in BW is also quite boring, but still tiers above the boringness that is mass roach. I don't know why tbh, maybe its the unit size, unit movement, the graphics, something.



This is pure nostalgia.

What if I told you that I only started watching BW after sc2 came out.

Then maybe you're just pretentious?

You said it yourself, you can't even rationalize your opinion.
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