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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 20:56 GMT
#10461
WECKL was just temp banned for 90 days by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2004-08-25 04:26:36 and had 22 posts.

Reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7819088
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 20:58 GMT
#10462
ghermination was just banned by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2008-04-12 18:47:45 and had 2851 posts.

Reason: "In all seriousness, this show is just as stupid as any other reality bullshit. It's popularity is proof that 80% of the population is either brain damaged or straight up retarded."

Quality feedback.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 21:00 GMT
#10463
Brandonbop was just banned by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2011-01-30 20:47:57 and had 3 posts.

Reason: I have my reasons.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 21:05 GMT
#10464
Tatsuyasama was just temp banned for 2 days by Chill.

That account was created on 2011-01-05 14:21:25 and had 13 posts.

Reason: You went into a thread written by Artosis, with content of Artosis talking about SC2, to post that you don't like Artosis.

Does that seem rational to you?
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 21:09 GMT
#10465
tyrless was just temp banned for 2 days by Chill.

That account was created on 2010-07-21 05:51:57 and had 196 posts.

Reason: Terrible comment. -_-

On February 03 2011 15:47 tyrless wrote:
Even with a title that mocks us in its brazen indignity I gave the show benefit of the doubt and watched the whole thing, trying not to cringe at the shamelessness of it. Let's get the obvious out of the way, Idra is immediately disqualified as any kind of authority on game balance, if not for the simple reason that he plays the game for a living than for the historical fact that he has always campaigned for his race of choice as the underpowered red-headed stepchild of SC2. Artosis isn't much better considering that since day 1 of his SC2 casting career he has languished to perpetuate a narrative that presumes Zerg as the ever-victimized race of hopelessness. The concept alone is like the perfect setup for a punk'd starcraft edition.

So really instead of leading the show off with an incorrect definition of "fundamentally broken", they should have disclosed their continual vested interests in pushing a specific imba narrative on the community, that way we might at least absorb this new show as something more than a subversive attempt to propagate their tiresome agenda.

Following that they might have discussed the fact that there is no such thing as "perfect balance", it is a mythical creature that will forever elude Starcraft. But they seem to not understand this basic premise...if they want perfect balance then they are playing the wrong game and should go learn chess. Furthermore, it's important to understand how dangerous it is to aspire for perfect balance, because every time Blizzard makes a change that is meant to balance out the races it often times will come at the cost of marginalizing the differences between them (which makes them so unique from one another). Sure they could make the Corruptor statistically identical to the Viking, and then maybe we'd skip the silly comparison between methods in which Terran and Zerg can effectively combat Collosus, but that's just incredibly shortsighted to even bring up such a comparison, as if equivalency should exist in the first place. This leads to the next, less obvious point which is...

...that these guys apparently have absolute zero understanding of balance from a design experience, and seem to be bafflingly ignorant to the philosophy behind Starcraft, perhaps blinded by their ingrained hypercompetitive mentalities. This is evident from how they go about discussing why the Collosus is "potentially" imbalanced (lol @ faux objectivity). Mainly they lack perspective, the kind of which I trust only to the designers at Blizzard and not self styled progamers. Speaking in a monotone voice might make you sound more reasonable but it doesn't suddenly grant you +20 to logic.

More important though is WHY they are doing this. Was the GSL really not a big enough of a platform for Artosis to cram his imba opinions (OPINIONS, not universally accepted facts as he presents him) down the community's throat? Was Idra's position as one of the most famous foreigner players not enough to broadcast his pro-zerg bias? There is nothing actually useful being provided here other than fanning the flames and misdirecting any useful conversations about the design of the game. What is the goal here, to start at the grassroots and somehow reverse trickle-down their agenda into Blizzard like an imbalanced trojan horse of imbalancing power, thus ultimately influencing the design of the game in favor of zerg? Yet I have little doubt that no matter how ahead the zerg race is by any tangible or intangible measure, these two dudes can be counted on to find new ways to explain away the causes for zerg success, just as they did with the first two GSLs. Even when zerg is curbstomping, it's because the other guy just didn't play properly of course!

Basically it's disappointing to see them wasting their time and energy on such unproductive shenanigans, when they could be doing legitimately constructive things for the SC2 community (as they often do). By the way for any suckers who are thinking "oh wow they are actually being pretty level headed and thoughtful about this it's not the QQ fest I expected", well YEAH HELLO it wouldn't be effective if they were overt in their intentions, it's got to seem more genuine to be taken as such. As it is it's impossible to take these types of discussions seriously when they don't have a solid handle on balance in the context of Starcraft.

OH WELLS LOLO??

ps Artosis does not play Protoss, he pretends to play Protoss to lend himself credibility for this EXACT charade haha. sneaky troll is sneaky. Otherwise Artosis is awesome and I can't wait for next GSL because Tastosis are the coolest =] Idra is just boring
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 22:43 GMT
#10466
Trotske was just temp banned for 2 days by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2010-08-07 09:21:04 and had 29 posts.

Reason: no funny picture.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 22:49 GMT
#10467
teh_longinator was just temp banned for 2 days by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2010-03-27 00:21:02 and had 416 posts.

Reason: Hey, lets not call people numbnuts alright! You might start a fight.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 03 2011 23:13 GMT
#10468
vVvEndse was just banned by zatic.

That account was created on 2011-02-04 07:31:01 and had 2 posts.

Reason: Previously banned user.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 02:53 GMT
#10469
TheWarbler was just temp banned for 1 week by Chill.

That account was created on 2010-04-16 08:58:23 and had 233 posts.

Reason: Baseless balance whining = ban
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 03:00 GMT
#10470
Krigstar was just temp banned for 1 week by Chill.

That account was created on 2008-08-05 08:30:41 and had 69 posts.

Reason: If you have an issue with moderation, post in website feedback or PM a moderator directly. I don't appreciate the unwarranted exaggeration.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 03:48 GMT
#10471
MindRush was just temp banned for 2 days by GHOSTCLAW.

That account was created on 2010-04-08 23:17:41 and had 596 posts.

Reason: Please respect the warnings from the moderators. Please don't bother martyr here either, it won't get you very far
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 05:08 GMT
#10472
tHornstein was just temp banned for 2 days by KwarK.

That account was created on 2010-08-23 22:20:44 and had 109 posts.

Reason: spam
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 08:20 GMT
#10473
Twistacles was just temp banned for 2 days by TheMango.

That account was created on 2010-06-28 09:15:41 and had 449 posts.

Reason: upgrading you to a temp ban, this is your sixth warning...
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#10474
isbunk was just temp banned for 2 days by Harem.

That account was created on 2007-07-14 00:40:14 and had 797 posts.

Reason: please put some effort into your posts and think about what you will actually say before hitting the reply button

content would be nice too
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#10475
Psychobabas was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.

That account was created on 2006-03-29 05:04:48 and had 152 posts.

Reason: APOLOGY ACCEPTED.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 17:03 GMT
#10476
frozt_ was just temp banned for 2 days by CTStalker.

That account was created on 2011-01-10 11:34:52 and had 96 posts.

Reason: 1) Don't quote massive posts to simply add 1 line of text
2) Don't be a douchebag
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 17:12 GMT
#10477
infestednuke2 was just banned by boesthius.

That account was created on 2011-02-05 01:03:30 and had 1 posts.

Reason: I have my reasons.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 17:39 GMT
#10478
DizzyPanda was just banned by Nyovne.

That account was created on 2011-02-05 01:49:54 and had 1 posts.

Reason: You don't get to rejoin this site this fast. I suggest you wait a month or 4.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 20:49 GMT
#10479
Aristotle7 was just temp banned for 90 days by CTStalker.

That account was created on 2011-01-27 05:25:11 and had 24 posts.

Reason: We don't perm ban people with the expectation that they'll be back in less than a week, shitting up our forums again. TL needs a long-term break from your posting.
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net130 Posts
February 04 2011 22:31 GMT
#10480
MegaBUD was just temp banned for 2 days by mahnini.

That account was created on 2010-09-08 03:04:38 and had 140 posts.

Reason:
On February 05 2011 07:26 MegaBUD wrote:
I might get ban for this opinion but: If a map is not terran favored, it is zerg/toss favored.

Terran cant move... we are slowwwwww... and we cant macro as easy as zerg/toss. Sure we have mules for gold expo... except than that...

We need that early harass more than any other race... we have to do economic damage.

Toss and even more zerg, can sit passively in their base macroing... We cant affort that.

Oh well... enjoy 5min all in and mass marines before the 10min mark.

you might
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