EPTWhy are there so many zergs? (Mid-Masters) - Page 3
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david0925
212 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
Edit: For myself (being mid-masters zerg) I at least was not influenced by any of these players tho, and not cos Zerg is "easy" at that level (the reason it is is cos Terrans can't split their stuff for shit and never drops you and that Protoss try sentry-less expands). Think some people are being a bit too fast to judge.  But like the rest of the Zergs here I'll go ahead and agree with "fuck ZvZ"! But that's cos I hate it when it ends in roach v roach play. :/ | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
Over the past 4 seasons I have played 123 ZvZs, 68 ZvTs, and 90 ZvPs. On another account I have similar ratios of matchups, even though as Terran I veto different maps. However on Korea it is very different, as you can see here: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
On April 02 2012 16:24 Thrombozyt wrote: I'm pretty sure that it's first matching then map selection. That's why the number of bans is in a way that even if none of your bans match you have one match left (7 maps, 3 bans each). If a map was selected first, it would lead to a reduced opponent pool resulting longer wait times and worse match-quality. Oh wow, thanks for this. This makes much more sense actually. Darn I thought I was being successful in banning maps to help me face more Zergs, I guess it was just coincidence then xD. I was considering banning SP cus TvT there is so simple and i was getting tired of playing 60 min split map TvT games where I have 50 Orbitals and he's hasn't even taken his side yet and won't gg. But now I won't since I'll still play those Terrans but just on a different map. | ||
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xHPx_sc2
Sweden46 Posts
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz I doubt it. I'm 1300 EU (basically top10 master) and I've only veto'd metalopolis. I still get zerg ~50% of my games, this season aswell as last season. I'd say I get about ~50% Zerg 30% Protoss 20% Terran and I am like really sick of PvZ at the moment with the way you're forced to 2base all-in or try to pray that the Zerg doesn't spread his blords for the Vortex. It's just such a boring matchup, Zerg is boring to play against. Sometimes I wish I could pick what race I wanted to play against so that I didn't have to play vs Zerg... | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 02 2012 15:23 CCupcakeDyran wrote: One can only play so many of those before serious mental problems begin to develop... Think I'm ready gone then, I love ZvZ Elem when was. Nerchio god of Europe? I know he's like, best ZvZ outside Korea or something | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 02 2012 16:36 Denzil wrote: From April/May until September-ish? The exact time is a bit blurry but it was definitively around that time. He won like every damn cup you'd see in the listings. He's still really good obv' but back then the only real argument against him was that he didn't win any LANs. The only rivals he really had were NaNiwa and ThorZaIN (due to MLG Dallas and TSL3 wins respectively.) but even them didn't really win that much apart from their key tournaments which gave them their "stardom".Think I'm ready gone then, I love ZvZ Elem when was. Nerchio god of Europe? I know he's like, best ZvZ outside Korea or something | ||
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FluoCrazyKenny
France90 Posts
Season 1 - Gold (not traced) Season 2 - 147 Matches (Platinum) P : 37 (25%) T : 45 (31%) Z : 62 (42%) R : 3 (2%) Season 3 - 120 Matches (Platinum) P : 41 (34%) T : 27 (23%) Z : 48 (40%) R : 4 (3%) Season 4 - (Diamond) Not played Saison 5 - 32 Matches (Diamond) may be not revelant because of the few matches played P : 11 (34%) T : 6 (19%) Z : 14 (44%) R : 1 (3%) Season 6 - 113 Matches (Platinum) P : 26 (24%) T : 33 (29%) Z : 44 (38%) R : 10 (9%) Map banned is not a issue because i have never ban any map (only scrap station in season 1). I don't know what to think of it but it's seems to be a general trend in any ladder from plat to master. From my point of view, we are lacking Terran in plat and diamond. | ||
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xHPx_sc2
Sweden46 Posts
On April 02 2012 16:41 graNite wrote: stop quoting sc2ranks, there is clearly something wrong with the racestats: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all That doesn't tell much tho. Zerg players in general may be more active etc.. There's many things that factors into this. | ||
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
(obv all just random guessing on my part) | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
The most ZvZs I played in a row was 9. However, I have got 10 PvPs in a row, which isn't as bad because it isn't as coin-flippy, and after that I don't think I played a PvP for a week. I still get a disproportionate amount of PvZs, which wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't constantly BMed, which seems to be a Zerg exclusive trait at high diamond (Protoss OP, cheesy all-inner, l2p, etc). Apparently anything less than turtling to infestor/broodlord vs. mothership with no aggression from either side is considered cheese, and blink stalkers are literally invincible against any Zerg composition. It's odd, because I never had issues with stalkers when I played Zerg at a higher level than I play Protoss. | ||
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Sierrahotel
Korea (South)19 Posts
I've been experiencing this too in NA Masters where about 70% of my games are vZ. | ||
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Broda
Denmark17 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
It's pretty certain it's not DRG and Stephano. First of all, the increase of Z and drop in T occurred between May and July 2011 (you can check by taking the patch times from liquipedia and compare them to the race percentages per patch), which is way too early for the Stephano effect (He won his first major tournaments late autumn of 2011). DRG is one of the fastest players with no single style, he won't have much effect on casuals. Same for Idra. Sc2ranks has problems for some pages of statistics (for example, the current patch, 1.4.2 seems bugged out as there are 1/3 of the people in the leagues compared to the previous patches. This is not plausible.) but most of the data should be fine, and we shouldn't discount in entirely, we just need to separate good data from the useless parts. Edit: And the prevalence of Z actually seems to reduce in Masters level, although it's still surging, but the Z population seems to be growing fastest around plat. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On April 02 2012 16:13 Gosi wrote: LOL yep, but my mom was talking about flowers while I wrote that so it ended up like it did... xD The best I've heard is that someone was being used as an "escape goat". Classic. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
there are people who stick to one race, but a lot of people waffle. Back in beta and early release, it was a huge deal when you hit a zerg on the ladder and people laughed their asses off when 2 poor zergs got matched up in a zvz in tournaments (I think iNc can be credited with saying "(ZvZ) [is] considered genocide at that level"). The new styles of play are pretty easy compared to old zerg styles, so people play zerg because they've wanted to and now it seems an easier transition, or they want free wins. Thats it. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 02 2012 17:01 Ghanburighan wrote: DRG is one of the fastest players with no single style, he won't have much effect on casuals. Same for Idra. Ermh...no? o_o These are the last players you'd say that about. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Time to learn terran i suppose... sadly i don't think this Z surge is going to go anywhere when HotS comes out either. | ||
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illumn
New Zealand437 Posts
Anecdote of course, but around 50% of my games are against Zergs (by contrast 20% vs Terran). | ||
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