• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:25
CET 12:25
KST 20:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)1Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
What strategies ensure accurate verification? Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together? [BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D) soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft What happened to TvZ on Retro?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2010 users

Why are there so many zergs? (Mid-Masters) - Page 2

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 06:44:08
April 02 2012 06:42 GMT
#21
Zerg has always been the most liked race, especially here on TL, because it is (or at the very least, was) the "underdog" and "macro" race and people like that stuff. So naturally it will filter on over to generally higher leagues on the ladder, but not necessarily the top.
Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
April 02 2012 06:43 GMT
#22
I only ever seem to play against terrans on KR, damn those cheesy bastards!
Obitus.243
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 07:13:38
April 02 2012 06:44 GMT
#23
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flavor of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
slane04
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada23 Posts
April 02 2012 06:45 GMT
#24
On April 02 2012 15:28 Ramuh wrote:
The fact that you only get ZvZ does not necessarily mean theres more z than others. Your Games simply are simply not a big enough sample size to make any accurate observations on the actual situation.

While it is highly improbable that you get that many ZvZ, it is not impossible.

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/all/all

Sc2Rank Stats seem to indicate that Z is underrepresented.



I would also quote sc2ranks, but its stats seem to have blown up. But a more useful stat would be to look at the global distribution in masters, where I believe there are more zergs.
riff
Profile Joined December 2010
United States113 Posts
April 02 2012 06:50 GMT
#25
There are so many infested Terrans around here. Just look at idra, the traitor.
There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. -Mazer Rackham
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 02 2012 06:51 GMT
#26
Yeah lol, I've been playing TvZ even more than TvP and TvT combined together lol.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
April 02 2012 06:55 GMT
#27
On April 02 2012 15:26 drop271 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


Are you sure about that? I have seen posts disagreeing, and my experience on the ladder suggests you are wrong too.

A couple of seasons ago I got sick of TvT, so I downvoted Lost Temple and Delta Quadrant and barely saw any after that



sounds like season one...
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 02 2012 06:57 GMT
#28
On April 02 2012 15:44 Gosi wrote:
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flower of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(


I think the expression is 'flavor of the month' :/
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
April 02 2012 07:02 GMT
#29
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
Hetz
Profile Joined September 2010
196 Posts
April 02 2012 07:04 GMT
#30
Oh cmon! Not another 'Where have all the Terrans gone??' thread...sigh

I played ladder 3 games today and they were all on Shattered Temple with me being blue and the opponent red...for Christ sake stop these ridiculous anecdotes.
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
April 02 2012 07:07 GMT
#31
I get 75% zvz at low master, I barely play anymore purely because of that, the matchup is horrible and boring.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
April 02 2012 07:11 GMT
#32
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


I guess neither of us can prove this but 1/3 of my games are on Shakuras Plateau and 95% of them are TvTs. When I unban Shattered temple, i don't get that often but when I do, it's also ~95% TvT. When I have SP unbanned I notice I play quite a lot of TvTs. Though ofc this is anecdotal and doesn't prove anything.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 02 2012 07:13 GMT
#33
On April 02 2012 15:57 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:44 Gosi wrote:
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flower of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(


I think the expression is 'flavor of the month' :/

LOL yep, but my mom was talking about flowers while I wrote that so it ended up like it did... xD
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Eviscerador
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain286 Posts
April 02 2012 07:14 GMT
#34
On April 02 2012 16:07 Zurles wrote:
I get 75% zvz at low master, I barely play anymore purely because of that, the matchup is horrible and boring.


Seriously, how can you say ZvZ is a boring match?? Since it is the only one match where you can play aggresive since the first min with Z, it is the most thriving mu at the moment.

In zvp and zvt, most of the time game begins at min 8 or 9...
A victorious warrior wins first, then goes to war. A defeated warrior goes to war and then seeks to win.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 02 2012 07:15 GMT
#35
On April 02 2012 16:02 ShakAttaK wrote:
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just


that's just you :s
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
April 02 2012 07:20 GMT
#36
On April 02 2012 16:15 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 16:02 ShakAttaK wrote:
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just


that's just you :s


Nah I love it too, I'm in heaven right now with so much ZvZ. I get a ton of ZvPs though as well and hate that matchup.

I propose you take my ZvPs and I'll relieve you from your ZvZs
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
April 02 2012 07:22 GMT
#37
On April 02 2012 15:40 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Its cause zerg is the easiest race to play


you are officially the bravest man on this forum.
The Show of a Lifetime
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
April 02 2012 07:22 GMT
#38
On April 02 2012 15:30 latan wrote:
because stephano


I'd say this is a big part yes. His style makes people want to play zerg, especially the overwhelming builds with roaches etc. that look so easy.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
April 02 2012 07:24 GMT
#39
On April 02 2012 16:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


I guess neither of us can prove this but 1/3 of my games are on Shakuras Plateau and 95% of them are TvTs. When I unban Shattered temple, i don't get that often but when I do, it's also ~95% TvT. When I have SP unbanned I notice I play quite a lot of TvTs. Though ofc this is anecdotal and doesn't prove anything.

I'm pretty sure that it's first matching then map selection. That's why the number of bans is in a way that even if none of your bans match you have one match left (7 maps, 3 bans each). If a map was selected first, it would lead to a reduced opponent pool resulting longer wait times and worse match-quality.
sNeit
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 07:26:22
April 02 2012 07:25 GMT
#40
zerg Macro da shit up and a move

AND DEFEND ALL SHIT
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 186
Rex 26
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 8019
Sea 5029
Calm 3837
Horang2 2028
Rain 1776
Bisu 1641
Hyuk 850
Hyun 644
Larva 438
BeSt 426
[ Show more ]
Barracks 363
PianO 358
Stork 353
Mini 262
firebathero 261
Killer 231
Light 208
ZerO 162
Leta 156
Pusan 117
Soma 98
Rush 89
hero 64
soO 63
ToSsGirL 59
sorry 54
Backho 38
Sharp 32
Free 27
yabsab 21
Terrorterran 20
Sacsri 18
Bale 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Icarus 15
zelot 9
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe139
League of Legends
Trikslyr23
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2041
x6flipin252
oskar98
Other Games
ceh9685
B2W.Neo482
crisheroes292
Pyrionflax271
Fuzer 246
QueenE104
Mew2King104
Dewaltoss19
MindelVK18
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick589
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream326
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH252
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV355
League of Legends
• Jankos1392
• HappyZerGling132
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
36m
PiGosaur Cup
13h 36m
Replay Cast
21h 36m
Wardi Open
1d
OSC
1d 1h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 12h
The PondCast
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
OSC
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.