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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 06:44:08
April 02 2012 06:42 GMT
#21
Zerg has always been the most liked race, especially here on TL, because it is (or at the very least, was) the "underdog" and "macro" race and people like that stuff. So naturally it will filter on over to generally higher leagues on the ladder, but not necessarily the top.
Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
April 02 2012 06:43 GMT
#22
I only ever seem to play against terrans on KR, damn those cheesy bastards!
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 07:13:38
April 02 2012 06:44 GMT
#23
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flavor of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(
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slane04
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada23 Posts
April 02 2012 06:45 GMT
#24
On April 02 2012 15:28 Ramuh wrote:
The fact that you only get ZvZ does not necessarily mean theres more z than others. Your Games simply are simply not a big enough sample size to make any accurate observations on the actual situation.

While it is highly improbable that you get that many ZvZ, it is not impossible.

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/all/all

Sc2Rank Stats seem to indicate that Z is underrepresented.



I would also quote sc2ranks, but its stats seem to have blown up. But a more useful stat would be to look at the global distribution in masters, where I believe there are more zergs.
riff
Profile Joined December 2010
United States113 Posts
April 02 2012 06:50 GMT
#25
There are so many infested Terrans around here. Just look at idra, the traitor.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 02 2012 06:51 GMT
#26
Yeah lol, I've been playing TvZ even more than TvP and TvT combined together lol.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
April 02 2012 06:55 GMT
#27
On April 02 2012 15:26 drop271 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


Are you sure about that? I have seen posts disagreeing, and my experience on the ladder suggests you are wrong too.

A couple of seasons ago I got sick of TvT, so I downvoted Lost Temple and Delta Quadrant and barely saw any after that



sounds like season one...
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 02 2012 06:57 GMT
#28
On April 02 2012 15:44 Gosi wrote:
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flower of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(


I think the expression is 'flavor of the month' :/
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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
April 02 2012 07:02 GMT
#29
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just
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Hetz
Profile Joined September 2010
196 Posts
April 02 2012 07:04 GMT
#30
Oh cmon! Not another 'Where have all the Terrans gone??' thread...sigh

I played ladder 3 games today and they were all on Shattered Temple with me being blue and the opponent red...for Christ sake stop these ridiculous anecdotes.
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
April 02 2012 07:07 GMT
#31
I get 75% zvz at low master, I barely play anymore purely because of that, the matchup is horrible and boring.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10356 Posts
April 02 2012 07:11 GMT
#32
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


I guess neither of us can prove this but 1/3 of my games are on Shakuras Plateau and 95% of them are TvTs. When I unban Shattered temple, i don't get that often but when I do, it's also ~95% TvT. When I have SP unbanned I notice I play quite a lot of TvTs. Though ofc this is anecdotal and doesn't prove anything.
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 02 2012 07:13 GMT
#33
On April 02 2012 15:57 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:44 Gosi wrote:
Because the playstyle Stephano have popularized in zvp and zvt is really simple to execute for plat to master league players while it's a super strong style of play. So if you are not a progamer it doesn't matter what race you play with and because the "ladder metagame" (lool) looks just like how Stephano is playing zvt and zvp people switch to zerg because it's hard to play against + all the people that goes with the flower of the month to collect wins. And add that zerg is like the most popular race already in sc2, plus that Stephano is like the foreigner hope so I can imagine even more people playing zerg just because he does.

It was fun some time ago when I could pick zerg on ladder and play ZvT because I love that matchup from both sides but now I can't do that because there is like no Terrans. If you could only pick the race you want to play vs or have a non-retarded custom game mode... >(


I think the expression is 'flavor of the month' :/

LOL yep, but my mom was talking about flowers while I wrote that so it ended up like it did... xD
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Eviscerador
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain286 Posts
April 02 2012 07:14 GMT
#34
On April 02 2012 16:07 Zurles wrote:
I get 75% zvz at low master, I barely play anymore purely because of that, the matchup is horrible and boring.


Seriously, how can you say ZvZ is a boring match?? Since it is the only one match where you can play aggresive since the first min with Z, it is the most thriving mu at the moment.

In zvp and zvt, most of the time game begins at min 8 or 9...
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 02 2012 07:15 GMT
#35
On April 02 2012 16:02 ShakAttaK wrote:
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just


that's just you :s
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
April 02 2012 07:20 GMT
#36
On April 02 2012 16:15 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 16:02 ShakAttaK wrote:
I love Zerg :D ZvZ is fun but thats just


that's just you :s


Nah I love it too, I'm in heaven right now with so much ZvZ. I get a ton of ZvPs though as well and hate that matchup.

I propose you take my ZvPs and I'll relieve you from your ZvZs
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
April 02 2012 07:22 GMT
#37
On April 02 2012 15:40 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Its cause zerg is the easiest race to play


you are officially the bravest man on this forum.
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Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
April 02 2012 07:22 GMT
#38
On April 02 2012 15:30 latan wrote:
because stephano


I'd say this is a big part yes. His style makes people want to play zerg, especially the overwhelming builds with roaches etc. that look so easy.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
April 02 2012 07:24 GMT
#39
On April 02 2012 16:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 15:24 riff wrote:
On April 02 2012 15:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
it can also be because of your maps... if all zergs ban the same maps that are bad for them, and t and p ban the maps that are bad for them vs z, you'll end up with a lot of zvz

Not true. Map selection happens after the matching.


I guess neither of us can prove this but 1/3 of my games are on Shakuras Plateau and 95% of them are TvTs. When I unban Shattered temple, i don't get that often but when I do, it's also ~95% TvT. When I have SP unbanned I notice I play quite a lot of TvTs. Though ofc this is anecdotal and doesn't prove anything.

I'm pretty sure that it's first matching then map selection. That's why the number of bans is in a way that even if none of your bans match you have one match left (7 maps, 3 bans each). If a map was selected first, it would lead to a reduced opponent pool resulting longer wait times and worse match-quality.
sNeit
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 07:26:22
April 02 2012 07:25 GMT
#40
zerg Macro da shit up and a move

AND DEFEND ALL SHIT
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