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On March 24 2012 00:09 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:05 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 24 2012 00:02 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:58 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:56 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:54 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:50 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:48 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
Pot is still illegal in this country and he might have been asking for mushrooms. Both of which make him a criminal and someone you don't want randomly strolling around where you live when its raining. Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.. Soliciting drugs is a crime. The sky is blue. Well at least we both agree that you were wrong to say that soliciting drugs isnt a crime. I didn't say that. I said that asking for mushrooms is not illegal. If I step into the square and yell "I WANT MUSHROOMS" am I a criminal? That was what I said, and nothing else. You are a fool for inferring that I claimed "selling drugs isn't illegal", i mean, how in the hell did you infer that, i'm baffled That is not even close to what you said heres what I said, maybe you didn't read it: "Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.." you were saying? Asking for mushrooms is solicitation for drugs which is a crime. Hence, "Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal?" is true. So yes that would make you a criminal.
Mmk. "I want mushrooms", (asking for mushrooms, literally), is a statement that makes one a criminal. Whatever floats your boat, moving on
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On March 24 2012 00:12 dp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:09 Lockitupv2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 00:05 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:02 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:58 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:56 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:54 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:50 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:48 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
Pot is still illegal in this country and he might have been asking for mushrooms. Both of which make him a criminal and someone you don't want randomly strolling around where you live when its raining. Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.. Soliciting drugs is a crime. The sky is blue. Well at least we both agree that you were wrong to say that soliciting drugs isnt a crime. I didn't say that. I said that asking for mushrooms is not illegal. If I step into the square and yell "I WANT MUSHROOMS" am I a criminal? That was what I said, and nothing else. You are a fool for inferring that I claimed "selling drugs isn't illegal", i mean, how in the hell did you infer that, i'm baffled That is not even close to what you said heres what I said, maybe you didn't read it: "Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.." you were saying? Asking for mushrooms is solicitation for drugs which is a crime. Hence, "Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal?" is true. So yes that would make you a criminal. Why are you even continuing this conversation? First, Trayvon didn't solicit drugs, so your point is.. pointless. One person asking about a plant does not a drug dealer make. Its a silly leap of logic that actually has zero bearing on the case at all.
Ive explain before and do understand that it is not relevant. Im using it to say that Martin isnt the "A and B grade student, future pilot, angel" that the media makes him out to be. People are shamming Zimmerman on the pure basis because he isnt casted as some kind of deity.
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On March 24 2012 00:12 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:09 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 24 2012 00:05 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 24 2012 00:02 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:58 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:56 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:54 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:50 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:48 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
Pot is still illegal in this country and he might have been asking for mushrooms. Both of which make him a criminal and someone you don't want randomly strolling around where you live when its raining. Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.. Soliciting drugs is a crime. The sky is blue. Well at least we both agree that you were wrong to say that soliciting drugs isnt a crime. I didn't say that. I said that asking for mushrooms is not illegal. If I step into the square and yell "I WANT MUSHROOMS" am I a criminal? That was what I said, and nothing else. You are a fool for inferring that I claimed "selling drugs isn't illegal", i mean, how in the hell did you infer that, i'm baffled That is not even close to what you said heres what I said, maybe you didn't read it: "Okay, seriously. Hahahahhahahahha. Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal? That's like, child logic, or something. I don't even.." you were saying? Asking for mushrooms is solicitation for drugs which is a crime. Hence, "Asking for mushrooms makes you a criminal?" is true. So yes that would make you a criminal. Mmk. "I want mushrooms", (asking for mushrooms, literally), is a statement that makes one a criminal. Whatever floats your boat, moving on
Maybe if Martin was a farmer that argument would hold.
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i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages..
User was warned for this post
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his choice of words are kind of poor but he is right that people stereotype others based on how they look (which includes what they wear).
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On March 24 2012 00:30 frontliner2 wrote:
i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages..
Please re read. No one is saying that "He sold weed = death penalty." They are saying that the saint like image the media portrays him in incorrect.
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On March 22 2012 09:27 albis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:19 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 22 2012 09:09 albis wrote:
the fact everyone assumes hes guilty is pretty sad. when will the white guilt be over. none of us were there. Wtf? Did you even read the article? Fact: he shot the kid. Fact: the kid had nothing but skittles. Fact: phone evidence demonstrates that it was the guy with the gun chasing and menacing the kid, not the other way around. Stop looking for excuses to ignore something obvious... so having not been there, having read an article, this guys in jail for the rest of his life? you don't see a fault in that?
No, having read multiple different articles all corroborating the same facts [the above], the evidence is resoundingly pointing towards guilty. I'm not the one making the judgment on sentencing - that's what the trial will be for.
"having not been there" - this is utterly fallacious logic at its apex. You have not personally done the calculations for the earth being round, you were "not there" to personally observe the spherical nature of the earth and the galaxies, you have most likely not personally viewed the components of basic biology and cells, and the list goes on. Yet, you accept these as scientific facts. Knowledge is not derived from "personal witnessing," which in itself is often unreliable due to faults in psychology. However, when a number of sources report the same facts, when these are sources meant to convey the circumstances of the incident to a certain normative standard of accuracy [in which any errors would be corrected as soon as possible or demonstrable by any skeptic such as yourself (whereas you instead provide the weakest ass argument possible, the "well you don't know for sure")], and when these sources also provide physical evidence that everyone can access that [i]directly[/] exhibits the scenario in question [the phone recording], it's straight up foolishness to take the stance that you've adopted.
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On March 23 2012 23:57 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 23:52 GARO wrote:On March 23 2012 23:48 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 23:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:Hahhahahh. Really? Read what you just linked. The kid suffered 1st degree burns, aka, burns on the same scale of intensity as a sunburn. And you're saying people should give a fuck about that story, vs. a story in which a kid is murdered (or killed, however you want to term it)? That's not nearly as serious of a story if the boy simply got a minor injury. Don't you see the difference? Death vs. minor injury, thus they are not at all similar stories. Do you realize that this is actually a hate crime, while this one isnt, yet this story makes the headlines? Yeah, just because you say that the Martin killing isn't a hate crime, it must be true! Or it might not be a hate crime....because it isnt? Is that possible?
it might or might not be a crime that resulted because of race. the difference between the kid that got lit on fire for being white and martin is that we don't have the victim's testimony in the case of the latter. the evidence for martin's death being at least partly a result of racism isn't really present yet. the loud people in the room just keep saying otherwise.
apparently some people here don't think trying to burn a very young child alive and then that child bearing testimony that he was the victim of attempted murder for his race is very important. if we're going to fix how people think about race, i guess we should only focus our attention when someone dies and the evidence and witness testimonies are either shaky or incomplete. very post modern, if you ask me.
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On March 24 2012 00:36 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:30 frontliner2 wrote:
i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages.. Please re read. No one is saying that "He sold weed = death penalty." They are saying that the saint like image the media portrays him in incorrect.
I wasn't annoyed by you so your previous post are not the reason for my rant, please don't take it personal 
It was that other guy (Zaqwe) who went all the way slandering him.
To make things better the man who shot the boy should stand trial so everything can be sorted out. Now it's all assumptions and my only thought was that it's a tragedy the boy died.
sorry if I offended you
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On March 23 2012 17:56 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 17:43 Defacer wrote:
So I can stalk a guy, bait him into a fight, and shoot him? Last time I checked, nope. However, if you get jumped and pinned to the ground while your face is getting beaten you can defend yourself.
Trayon, unarmed, has a much stronger case for self-defense than Zimmerman in this scenario.
Zimmerman had absolutely no cause to even pursue Trayon, let alone confront him, with a weapon.
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On March 24 2012 00:54 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:36 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 24 2012 00:30 frontliner2 wrote:
i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages.. Please re read. No one is saying that "He sold weed = death penalty." They are saying that the saint like image the media portrays him in incorrect. I wasn't annoyed by you so your previous post are not the reason for my rant, please don't take it personal It was that other guy (Zaqwe) who went all the way slandering him. To make things better the man who shot the boy should stand trial so everything can be sorted out. Now it's all assumptions and my only thought was that it's a tragedy the boy died. sorry if I offended you
You should really just ignore Zaqwe since he is an obvious troll. He created that account solely to post in this thread 80 times since page 28, constantly reposting the same links over and over again. Just ignore him and DFTT.
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On March 24 2012 00:30 frontliner2 wrote:
i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages..
Agreed. Some people cherry-pick facts about the case, and make gross assumptions. Then, after getting called out on that, they resort to trying to show us all what a bad person Trayvon was, selling weed and dropping out of school.
Fun fact: Selling weed and dropping out of school doesn't cost you your constitutional rights, afforded to you as a human being. I didn't know that shooting an unarmed kid was more acceptable if you can prove the kid had character defects.
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Well, it's interesting to see what it is we are and are not arguing.
The injustice in this case isn't necessarily in the conviction or exoneration of Zimmerman.
The real injustice, for which no one has really been able to deny, is that the police very obviously didn't do their job as any reasonable person would expect them to. They tox-screen Trayvon -- but they don't tox-screen his assailant. They examine witnesses only days after the events transpired. They didn't bother to take any pictures of Zimmerman's fight-wounds, despite the fact that they're exonerating him of any wrong-doing via a "self-defense" claim.
If someone shoots my unarmed child and claims self-defense -- don't you think I deserve more than this?
Some are arguing the case and the circumstances surrounding it -- with what little facts are out there. Some are arguing that this story is getting more coverage than other stories about possible hate crimes. What they're missing is that the reason this story is getting attention isn't the crime itself -- it's the police's complete incompetence and lack of due process that makes this, deservedly, a national story.
But some people would rather just argue about whether Trayvon was selling weed.
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On March 24 2012 02:34 Leporello wrote:Well, it's interesting to see what it is we are and are not arguing. The injustice in this case isn't necessarily in the conviction or exoneration of Zimmerman. The real injustice, for which no one has really been able to deny, is that the police very obviously didn't do their job as any reasonable person would expect them to. They tox-screen Trayvon -- but they don't tox-screen his assailant. They examine witnesses only days after the events transpired. They didn't bother to take any pictures of Zimmerman's fight-wounds, despite the fact that they're exonerating him of any wrong-doing via a "self-defense" claim. If someone shoots my unarmed child and claims self-defense -- don't you think I deserve more than this? Some are arguing the case and the circumstances surrounding it -- with what little facts are out there. Some are arguing that this story is getting more coverage than other stories about possible hate crimes. What they're missing is that the reason this story is getting attention isn't the crime itself -- it's the police's complete incompetence and lack of due process that makes this, deservedly, a national story. But some people would rather just argue about whether Trayvon was selling weed.
maybe the police did enough, maybe they didnt. i find it hard to believe people actually know what they did since investigations are usually kept pretty secret so as not to compromise the investigation. i would love to hear a person who actually knows what police procedure is (and what the police actually did rather than speculating) to tell me that they didn't do what was necessary to investigate.
given the media's apparent inability to report objectively on this story, i find their coverage to be slightly greater than bullshit. i think one of my first posts in this thread referenced the Duke lacrosse players, because the media did a great job on that one too, right?
i would love to see sources saying what the police did or didnt do. what i dont want to see is people saying "they were incompetent," but then not knowing what they actually did to investigate.
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On March 24 2012 02:17 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:54 frontliner2 wrote:On March 24 2012 00:36 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 24 2012 00:30 frontliner2 wrote:
i love reading how some americans on this forum go all out on this killed kid.
He had a friend talking about 'da plant' on facebook so he is a criminal. It's good he is dead. Also he was suspended from school
Henceforth he is a criminal and a punk and we should thank the coon-calling white man police reject that killed a young man/boy whom he stalked in advance.
People going batshit crazy trying to defend the killer.. I
Dude I smoked mad plant in my life, and fucked up high school, no college etc. However I am a good person. For my history there are reasons from my childhood. I'm a good person, I help everyone I can and live a very very legit life.
My point; being a scoundrel at age 17 doesn't mean your adult life is guaranteed criminal and worthless to society. there are more determining factors.
Not being the embodyment of 'The American Dream' doesn't justify that person's extermination.
My god where is the humanity? It's almost like some people rejoice this 'coon' being dead.
sorry I'm quite annoyed reading the past 2-3 pages.. Please re read. No one is saying that "He sold weed = death penalty." They are saying that the saint like image the media portrays him in incorrect. I wasn't annoyed by you so your previous post are not the reason for my rant, please don't take it personal It was that other guy (Zaqwe) who went all the way slandering him. To make things better the man who shot the boy should stand trial so everything can be sorted out. Now it's all assumptions and my only thought was that it's a tragedy the boy died. sorry if I offended you You should really just ignore Zaqwe since he is an obvious troll. He created that account solely to post in this thread 80 times since page 28, constantly reposting the same links over and over again. Just ignore him and DFTT.
his latest posts arguably may have gone off the deep-end. however, if Zaqwe didn't join this conversation, i would have never known of the only apparent eyewitness to the event (i.e., while its happening, not after the fact) that saw the kid on top of Zimmerman punching him. for that, at least, I thank Zaqwe for informing this thread.
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Obama isn't allowed to give his real opinion before an investigation. If this goes to trial, and Obama is on record as siding one way or the other, it can lead to a mistrial.
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