Trayvon Martin 17yo Kid Shot to Death - Page 60

On March 24 2012 04:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:


Nobody but Zimmerman has corroborated this, and in fact, several pieces of evidence outright contradict it. In particular the fact that Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend until just prior to the incident, and was evidently both afraid and attempting to get away. The idea that he would then suddenly hang up the phone, turn around and head back to attack Zimmerman--and then somehow overpower Zimmerman despite the fact that Zimmerman had just been stalking him and outweighed him by 100 lbs--is farcicle.
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This. Zimmerman's story has a million holes.

Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

On March 24 2012 04:36 Zaqwe wrote:

Zimmerman lives in a high crime neighborhood. He has prevented crimes and helped police catch criminals in the past. Sounds like a good neighbor to me.

The night he saw Trayvon the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow, but he was under no obligation not to follow. It's not a crime to follow someone and he was well within his rights.

Then he gets out of his truck and when he is on foot he gets knocked to the ground and struck repeatedly in the head. He screams for help, but nobody helps him. The only way he could defend himself at that point was to use his pistol.

Adam Weinstein and Matt DeLuca have pulled the logs of 911 calls that George Zimmerman made before this year's shooting. Spot the pattern. From Weinstein:

In August 2011, he called to report a black male in a tank top and shorts acting suspicious near the development's back entrance. "[Complainant] believes [subject] is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states. The suspect, Zimmerman told the dispatcher, fit a recent description given out by law enforcement officers.
Three days later, he called to report two black teens in the same area, for the same reason. "[Juveniles] are the subjs who have been [burglarizing] in this area," he told the dispatcher.
From DeLuca:

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.
Add this to Trayvon call, when Zimmerman apparently muttered a racial slur, and you have to ask if Zimmerman had a hang-up about young black men in the gated community.

On March 24 2012 04:46 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Also, if Zimmerman made Trayvon feel threatened, which he evidently did by following him, didn't Trayvon have a right to "stand his ground"?

On March 24 2012 04:43 dAPhREAk wrote:
some people just like to drink the Kool-Aid i guess.

On March 24 2012 04:42 Zaqwe wrote:

The only eyewitness to the beating has corroborated Zimmerman's account of events. There aren't any holes in his story.

Zimmerman was in danger of being seriously injured or killed by the beating. This is a clear cut case of self defense.

“So you heard some sort of whining, some sort of commotion outside?” Cooper asked.

“We were in the kitchen, with the window open and the blinds pulled. So we had complete view from outside,” Cutcher explained.

Cooper asked her what was the first thing she saw.

“By that time, you hear like a shot — like some other noise,” Lamilla described.

“You heard the gunshot?” Cooper interjected.

“Yeah, I run away from my backyard and when I just get into the point of my — like my screen, it stopped me, I look at the person on his knees on top of a body,” Lamilla elaborated.

“So you saw Mr. Zimmerman on top of Trayvon Martin?” Cooper questioned.

“Trayvon, exactly,” Lamilla said.

“When you say on top of, how so?” the CNN anchor pressed.

“Straddling him,” Cutcher replied.

“His legs were straddling him?” Cooper followed up.

On March 24 2012 04:39 awesomoecalypse wrote:

No, but it does raise questions as to how Zimmerman felt threatened by Trayvon when he was the one stalking him.


Zimmerman had 100 lbs on Trayvon, and was actively trying to stalk him, as we know from Trayvon's call with his girlfriend. The idea that Trayvon somehow got the drop on him and overpowered him is ridiculous.



and yet moments later when witnesses look out, Zimmerman is the one straddling Trayvon, holding a gun over his dead body.


you're also ignoring the fact that Zimmerman called Trayvon a fucking coon right before his happened.

None of the evidence currently available backs up Zimmerman's story at all. None.

Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

On March 24 2012 04:47 FallDownMarigold wrote:

Wait... waiiiiiit a minute. What? I hope that's just a random expression people use and not a reference to a certain stereotype

On March 24 2012 04:50 FallDownMarigold wrote:


I did ctrl+F "kool aid" and nothing came up. What am I looking for? Don't want to read the entire page.

On March 24 2012 04:47 FallDownMarigold wrote:

Wait... waiiiiiit a minute. What? I hope that's just a random expression people use and not a reference to a certain stereotype

On March 24 2012 04:49 moopie wrote:
Yeah if anyone in this situation had the right to defend himself physically, it was Trayvon. The kid is followed by a car and then chased on foot by an older stranger with a gun. Trayvon was within his right to resort to violence if he felt threatned here, not Zimmerman who instigated this situation (after being directly told not to by a police dispatcher).

On March 24 2012 04:48 Zaqwe wrote:
There is nothing Zimmerman could have done other than allow himself to be beaten to death

On March 24 2012 04:48 awesomoecalypse wrote:



This is bullshit.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-interviews-witnesses-to-trayvon-martin-shooting/



Zimmerman was straddling Trayvon.

Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

Trayvon did in fact get the drop on him. And the idea that an overweight short guy could have caught a young football player on foot if the football player was trying to get away is a bit silly.

Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said. He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.

On March 24 2012 04:53 Kickboxer wrote:


You people are still responding to this guy? ^_^

On March 24 2012 04:55 awesomoecalypse wrote:


Here's what his girlfriend said of her conversation with Trayvon just before he died:
"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."

Trayvon wasn't running, catching him wouldn't have been impossible by any means.

There's also the fact that Zimmerman clearly lied to the police:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/19/2703029/us-department-of-justice-fbi-and.html#disqus_thread#storylink=cpy



But Zimmerman hadn't stepped out of the truck to check the name of the street, he had done so to follow Trayvon. He was watching Trayvon and following him. How then did Trayvon get behind him?