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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:42 Luppy1 wrote: Have you thought about maybe he's right? In a recent interview, DRG complained about playing zerg (balance wise and map wise) as well? Didn't you see Stephano completely dismantle Protoss today? He always says that ZvP is EZPZ | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:42 Luppy1 wrote: Have you thought about maybe he's right? In a recent interview, DRG complained about playing zerg (balance wise and map wise) as well? DRG, Nestea and the like may hint at complaining, but they never come out with such strong statements as "Zerg doesn't beat toss" or "Zerg isn't supposed to win against protoss," something which Idra does quite regularly. | ||
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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:51 Incognoto wrote: Well to be fair, that was a while ago and Fenix isn't quite Idra's calibre (not saying Fenix didn't outplay Idra in that series). Besides that video is entertainment value and not even half the picture. You're forgetting interviews, in fact in a recent one Idra blatantly admitted he sucked in his Code S games. I actually didnt forget it, i didnt see it. Could you link it, or at least tell me which one i have to read/look? | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:54 m4inbrain wrote: I actually didnt forget it, i didnt see it. Could you link it, or at least tell me which one i have to read/look? It wasn't Fenix he played. It was coL.Trimaster at MLG Raleigh I believe. It might have been Orlando....one of the two I was at anyway. Pretty sure it was Raleigh though. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:53 Horseballs wrote: DRG, Nestea and the like may hint at complaining, but they never come out with such strong statements as "Zerg doesn't beat toss" or "Zerg isn't supposed to win against protoss," something which Idra does quite regularly. In Korea it is very rude to complain like that. It's a bit different. He has to kind of skirt around the issue like that because he doesn't want to seem like a rude person. | ||
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ArtThouAngry
Canada146 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:53 Horseballs wrote: DRG, Nestea and the like may hint at complaining, but they never come out with such strong statements as "Zerg doesn't beat toss" or "Zerg isn't supposed to win against protoss," something which Idra does quite regularly. Why is IdrA saying it straight up instead of hinting around it and strongly suggesting it inherently worse? | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On January 30 2012 06:59 stonetalon wrote: even when zerg is destoying toss idra complains X_X i don't get it anymore... I think I've figured out the algorithm (the Idralgorithm if you will) Toss is winning a lot vs zerg: "Toss players are all rapists irl and I'm going to put in a gun in my mouth" Toss is even with zerg: "Zerg never beats toss unless the player is just way better" Zerg is winning a lot against zerg: "The matchup's okay but toss units are still too powerful" | ||
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Qxz
Canada189 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:44 m4inbrain wrote: IdrA's pretty good at defending cheese, he just despises it.So its pro now to lose against early game shenanigans? I watched TLOs stream now for the last week at least 3 hours a day, he actually asked on stream why everyone is trying to all-in him - and he was thankful, because you learn to cope with earlygame crap by dealing with it. If you cant deal with shenanigans (is that btw a real word or did Day9 invent that? Honestly curious), hm.. Dunno. Other than that, he rages in tournaments as well. May it be ragequits, premature quits or open rage after a game. "I aim solely for reliability and consistency. I despise players that flip coins and try to get wins that they don't really deserve." If he rages... so what? Djokovic rages and routinely destroys his equipment in tournaments, yet he's the #1 tennis player in the world. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:59 Drowsy wrote: I think I've figured out the algorithm (the Idralgorithm if you will) Toss is winning a lot vs zerg: "Toss players are all rapists irl and I'm going to put in a gun in my mouth" Toss is even with zerg: "Zerg never beats toss unless the player is just way better" Zerg is winning a lot against zerg: "The matchup's okay but toss units are still too powerful" That's not an algorithm. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:22 werynais wrote: My god idra really has to stop whining already... this is just pathetic now. Yeah man, before it was just IdrA being IdrA but right now at this instant after years of saying things like this from BW to SC2 without showing signs of stopping he has crossed the line. Seriously I don't know how people can get worked up or act like its big news when IdrA claims that the race he doesn't play is overpowered, he has been doing that since the dawn of time and will do it until the end of the universe. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:51 aderum wrote: Didn't you see Stephano completely dismantle Protoss today? He always says that ZvP is EZPZ Ive seen idra completely dismantle Protoss on a given day as well. In fact, Idra probably would have beat the people stephano beat with as much ease (or close to it). It doesn't change the fact it cannot be used in an argument on something like ZvP balance. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote: How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same? Shit man, can't argue with hard evidence like that. I like where you showed recent interviews from every zerg pro player to back up your completely made up claim. Nicely done. Not to mention the fact players of every race whine no matter what because these immature kids don't want to take responsibility for their own failures or learn from them and rather just blame the game. Idra's been saying the same shit forever, and zergs certainly haven't failed to post tourney wins despite his nonsense, and zergs are still posting results. The last bigish tournament was IEM Kiev and zerg took 2nd and 4th, beating protoss along the way. Match ups swing back and forth slightly favoring one or the other all the time, that's how a game like this works, blanket black and white ridiculous statements like "zergs don't beat protoss" from dramaqueens like Idra are just retarded. I mean what do these kids expect? It's not like it'd be smart of blizzard to instantly patch a game with huge changes anytime one matchup swings like 5% in the favor of one race or the other (god forbid!), whining does absolutely nothing but get you more e-fame with the balance whiner kiddies on TL. | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:56 iky43210 wrote: In the last 3-4 months Nestea has dropped alot of games to protoss even outside GSL. He dropped 4 games to naniwa, 2 games to HuK and many more losses in GSL. No idea where 78% winrate comes from.doesn't nestea have something like 78% winrates in ZvP? maybe he should take some lesson | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23787 Posts
Nothing wrong with that, and a bit of forthright opinion every so often does no harm. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On January 30 2012 10:01 darkest44 wrote: Shit man, can't argue with hard evidence like that. I like where you showed recent interviews from every zerg pro player to back up your completely made up claim. Nicely done. Not to mention the fact players of every race whine no matter what because these immature kids don't want to take responsibility for their own failures or learn from them and rather just blame the game. Idra's been saying the same shit forever, and zergs certainly haven't failed to post tourney wins despite his nonsense, and zergs are still posting results. The last bigish tournament was IEM Kiev and zerg took 2nd and 4th, beating protoss along the way. Match ups swing back and forth slightly favoring one or the other all the time, that's how a game like this works, blanket black and white ridiculous statements like "zergs don't beat protoss" from dramaqueens like Idra are just retarded. If you watched the GSL group selections you would know. I think he assumed that everyone is keeping up with the scene, so he felt he didn't need to post evidence. I don't think that's an unfair assumption to make. People who mindlessly post nonsense without even being up to date with the current situation are in your words, "just retarded." | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:54 m4inbrain wrote: I actually didnt forget it, i didnt see it. Could you link it, or at least tell me which one i have to read/look? Here you are: http://myeg.net/team/the-first-salvos-of-a-new-war-gsl-2012/ | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:53 Antimatterz wrote: Ok I'm fed up with the shit that IdrA gets from people. He is probably training the hardest out of every foreigner in the world atm, and he is saying that toss is hard to beat, something that pretty much EVERY SINGLE ZERG you ask will say too. That doesn't mean he is whining, that doesn't mean hes bad, it just means that he doesn't think he will win because he doesn't understand ZvP. You might say "look at stephano and coca, they have no problem with toss!". They are outliers. Are you actually going to call IdrA a bitch because he has the same opinion as the vast majority but is only more vocal? yes, because he should say something along the lines of "the matchup is favored toward protoss but i will try my hardest" instead of "protoss imba. rage quit." | ||
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