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On January 30 2012 09:08 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:06 hyptonic wrote:On January 30 2012 09:03 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 09:02 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 30 2012 08:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 06:59 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote:
How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same?
ask stephano Stephano doesn't play against Korean Protoss so it doesn't matter what he thinks about the matchup. Damn I hope you are trolling. I mean no one can be this stupid right? No I'm serious. Why don't you go ahead and explain why I'm so stupid? stephano is 5-3 against korean protoss. 5-3 is not a lot of games. When I said he doesn't play against Korea Protoss, I didn't mean he never has. I just mean that his daily training does not include Korean Protoss. Just because he feels comfortable on the European ladder does not mean that he would feel comfortable against the best Protoss in the world. This is why we should listen to IdrA, Nestea, DRG, etc over Stephano when it comes to balance/game design discussion. EDIT: I just want to make it clear that I am not in any way saying that Stephano is bad or that his words do not mean anything. I'm just saying that if we have to choose between believing Nestea's (and all the other best zergs in the world) words and Stephano's words, the choice should be clear.
Idra is not playing the best Protoss in the world for your info! Please tell us more about what you "mean"!
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On January 30 2012 09:06 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:03 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 09:02 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 30 2012 08:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 06:59 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote:
How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same?
ask stephano Stephano doesn't play against Korean Protoss so it doesn't matter what he thinks about the matchup. Damn I hope you are trolling. I mean no one can be this stupid right? No I'm serious. Why don't you go ahead and explain why I'm so stupid? stephano is 5-3 against korean protoss.
What? He's 0-5 against MC alone. Unless you mean series. But I don't think so since I'm not sure he has won 5 series against korean toss.
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On January 30 2012 09:10 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:57 gh0un wrote:On January 30 2012 08:54 Techno wrote:
Isnt ZvP pretty Zerg favoured right now? Nestea picked Dongraegu for his GSL group. What does that suggest to you? To help you out a little, both DRG and Nestea complained about zerg having a tough time against the other two races right now in their respective interviews. DRG was basically begging nestea not to pick him for his GSL group, because he knew he would do it considering the current state of the game. Those situations aren't even related dude. Nestea's best match has historically been ZvZ. DRG is trying to take the crown of best zerg and if you think Nestea's pick had nothing to do with that then you are crazy.
Honestly, you think it matter mores for them to get this crown of the best zerg than to advance further in the most prestigious SC2 tournament with so much money on the line? They're still playing to win. Their livelihood depends on it. Also, DRG specifically said he's having a hard time AS zerg, be it balance or map wise. It wasn't as if he blurted it out by accident. during the interview, he just got back to the same point repeatedly when asked different interview questions
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303979
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i feel like huk barely practiced or anything so im expecting him to get 2-0ed by terious 
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Stephano says hello Idra.
God Idra and his whiny fanboys
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Hahahah classic Idra
When will you grow dude..
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On January 30 2012 09:15 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote:
If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining.
if nestea says it he's not whining.
herp derp. Idra complains all the time about everything. It's never his fault and always the games and/or the opponents. That's the difference.
Except that when he losses, he constantly says "i didn't play very well" or "i played like trash", implying that he didn't play well and that it was his own fault for losing.
Yet haters seem to ignore this, and wait for that one moment when he says "Z not doing great vs P right now" and suddently he is shit complainer again who cannot ever win compared to glorious stephano master race.
It's why pros hate every one of you posters on this board.
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On January 30 2012 09:15 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:14 OrangeSoda wrote:
Idra should just switch races already, if he does bad he just falls back on calling zerg bad-.-. Although I think it might hurt his image if he switched races and didn't do any better. It's pretty much impossible to switch races once you're this far in.
I think if BW pros like ForGG can switch games and do fine after a few months of intense practice, a SC2 pro can switch races fairly easily. I mean, he'll suck for 2-3 months, but if the end result is that he starts winning tournaments it will have been worth it.
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On January 30 2012 09:16 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:06 hyptonic wrote:On January 30 2012 09:03 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 09:02 -stOpSKY- wrote:On January 30 2012 08:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 30 2012 06:59 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote:
How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same?
ask stephano Stephano doesn't play against Korean Protoss so it doesn't matter what he thinks about the matchup. Damn I hope you are trolling. I mean no one can be this stupid right? No I'm serious. Why don't you go ahead and explain why I'm so stupid? stephano is 5-3 against korean protoss. What? He's 0-5 against MC alone. Unless you mean series. But I don't think so since I'm not sure he has won 5 series against korean toss.
yeah, 5-3 is not correct, but I believe MC is the only korean toss he ever lost a series to, he didnt play that many
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On January 30 2012 08:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:39 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 30 2012 08:31 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 08:21 Incognoto wrote:On January 30 2012 08:04 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 07:52 Incognoto wrote:
You know, it's not really my kind of thing condoning whining and complaining. It tends to get on my nerves. I also believe that Idra isn't playing to the best of his capacity. He's got the rote mechanics but he needs that extra something... Either way, I also really dislike people, who really don't know better, shitting on a professional opinion.
"Well, if Idra said ZvP is imba atm, it sure as hell must not be"... come on guys seriously? Who plays SC2 all day long? You or Idra? Who has the better insight on the game?
Again, I'm not saying Idra is always right and that he should be worshiped like Flash a god, but his statements should at very least not be scoffed at that lightly and should hold some meaning.
The biggest problem with his statements is that he's ALWAYS said that Protoss is OP against Zerg. Ever since he lost to White-ra in the HDH Invitational in early beta, he's been complaining against toss nonstop. Even when ZvP was considered heavily zerg favored, he continued to say that Toss was OP. So really, nobody should believe him when he claims that Toss is OP now, because, after all, he's been saying the same thing for the past two years, and it's almost never been true. I'm not going to defend Idra's pov, nor am I going to defend Idra's "whining". Yeah he does complain a lot, but unlike everyone here who can only base their arguments on statistics and theorycrafting, Idra has actual experience. My point is that people are too quick to dismiss his opinion. Instead of "Oh well, I wonder why Idra believes that ZvP is imba, it would be interesting to know why he believes something like that, especially considering the level at which he plays" people are going "LOLOL IDRA IS GAY AND WRONG". This happened in the crowbar/policemen thread too. People have their heads stuck so far up their asses their ears are filled with shit and they absolutely refuse to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about. An unfortunate trend.. Once again, it's because he's always claimed 'Toss imba!' In the beginning, I think a lot of us might have believed him, but he's been saying the same thing forever. He loses more and more credibility the longer he repeats himself in the same way, especially since Code S zergs like Coca and Lucky are doing fantastic versus Toss. Maybe it's just that Idra isn't good enough to compete against the upper tier Protoss. I mean, he's always blamed others for his losses so... Of course, what people like you tend to forget is that Protoss has been nerfed in ZvP repeatedly since release as well... Not exactly crying wolf when the balance patches match your statements every single time, is it? Infestor nerf? Unless you forgot about the days when Infestors could wipe out an entire Protoss army through fungals and NP Yeah, and oddly enough, Idra wasn't whining during that period...
...Do you know what SotG is? Look up all the episodes before the infestor nerf, especially those with Idra in it. I can guarantee you that he complains about racial imbalances in 100% of those.
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On January 30 2012 06:59 stonetalon wrote:
even when zerg is destoying toss idra complains X_X i don't get it anymore...
He tends to whine, don't let it get to you.
I'm surprised at the writer. He decided to highlight the balance part of the article. To draw people in. When one of them loses there will be balance whine, aggravated by the approval of TL.
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On January 30 2012 09:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:15 oxxo wrote:On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote:
If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining.
if nestea says it he's not whining.
herp derp. Idra complains all the time about everything. It's never his fault and always the games and/or the opponents. That's the difference. Except that when he losses, he constantly says "i didn't play very well" or "i played like trash", implying that he didn't play well and that it was his own fault for losing. Yet haters seem to ignore this, and wait for that one moment when he says "Z not doing great vs P right now" and suddently he is shit complainer again who cannot ever win compared to glorious stephano master race. It's why pros hate every one of you posters on this board.
Try to watch "Idra highlights" on youtube. He constantly says something, but its not "i didnt play very well" etc, for sure.
He almost never sees a fault of his own. Its almost always either balance, or "he did something that just a really bad player would do, and i didnt thought that he was that bad".
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On January 30 2012 09:24 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:On January 30 2012 09:15 oxxo wrote:On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote:
If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining.
if nestea says it he's not whining.
herp derp. Idra complains all the time about everything. It's never his fault and always the games and/or the opponents. That's the difference. Except that when he losses, he constantly says "i didn't play very well" or "i played like trash", implying that he didn't play well and that it was his own fault for losing. Yet haters seem to ignore this, and wait for that one moment when he says "Z not doing great vs P right now" and suddently he is shit complainer again who cannot ever win compared to glorious stephano master race. It's why pros hate every one of you posters on this board. Try to watch "Idra highlights" on youtube. He constantly says something, but its not "i didnt play very well" etc, for sure. He almost never sees a fault of his own. Its almost always either balance, or "he did something that just a really bad player would do, and i didnt thought that he was that bad".
That's ladder play, not tournament play. It's not the same thing, think about it.
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On January 30 2012 09:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:09 Luppy1 wrote:On January 30 2012 08:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:
sort of an attitude of a loser, not a attitude of s champion Actually plenty of GSL zerg players have complained about their race at some point. + Show Spoiler + To be fair, everyone's complained about their race at some point- including GSL players. Even the best ones. I recall MVP saying that Terran was underpowered (I believe it was as he was winning GSLs lol). I recall MC saying that Protoss was underpowered and if he played Terran he would have already won 4 or so GSLs. Heck, even Artosis has whined about balance once or twice...
I can remember when MVP said terran was underpowered. It was kinda silly then too because terrans continued to get nerfed further after he said it. Also, no one treated him seriously because he was like the only pro in the world complaining about terran being underpowered, possibly ever(I can't think of any other terran complaining about their race. Some complained about the maps though). Collectively, I would think most high profile zerg players have complained about the balance of the game at some point (Sen, Xigua, etc). But, you cant say the same about any other race.
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On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote:
If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining.
if nestea says it he's not whining.
herp derp.
Idra has been doing this since the beginning of time before hotkeys were invented...
herp.... derp?
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Okay guys, it's was kind of cute when you complained about imbalance for the first twenty-three months of StarCraft II that followed the launch of the Wings of Liberty beta, but now it's getting pretty damn sad. Either pick a different race, quit playing the game, or stop bitching. That also goes to all the professional foreign players who think their opinion on the topic hasn't worn out its welcome, because we get it, you play the game for a living and that's the only reason you give a crap about the game. You just can't phrase it that way because Blizzard Entertainment has no interest in you guys beyond using your matches as an advertisement to sell more copies of StarCraft II. They don't want you saying "StarCraft II sucks, I play it because it's my job." Well, it's your job. Shut up and do your job.
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On January 30 2012 09:22 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 30 2012 08:39 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 30 2012 08:31 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 08:21 Incognoto wrote:On January 30 2012 08:04 Whatson wrote:On January 30 2012 07:52 Incognoto wrote:
You know, it's not really my kind of thing condoning whining and complaining. It tends to get on my nerves. I also believe that Idra isn't playing to the best of his capacity. He's got the rote mechanics but he needs that extra something... Either way, I also really dislike people, who really don't know better, shitting on a professional opinion.
"Well, if Idra said ZvP is imba atm, it sure as hell must not be"... come on guys seriously? Who plays SC2 all day long? You or Idra? Who has the better insight on the game?
Again, I'm not saying Idra is always right and that he should be worshiped like Flash a god, but his statements should at very least not be scoffed at that lightly and should hold some meaning.
The biggest problem with his statements is that he's ALWAYS said that Protoss is OP against Zerg. Ever since he lost to White-ra in the HDH Invitational in early beta, he's been complaining against toss nonstop. Even when ZvP was considered heavily zerg favored, he continued to say that Toss was OP. So really, nobody should believe him when he claims that Toss is OP now, because, after all, he's been saying the same thing for the past two years, and it's almost never been true. I'm not going to defend Idra's pov, nor am I going to defend Idra's "whining". Yeah he does complain a lot, but unlike everyone here who can only base their arguments on statistics and theorycrafting, Idra has actual experience. My point is that people are too quick to dismiss his opinion. Instead of "Oh well, I wonder why Idra believes that ZvP is imba, it would be interesting to know why he believes something like that, especially considering the level at which he plays" people are going "LOLOL IDRA IS GAY AND WRONG". This happened in the crowbar/policemen thread too. People have their heads stuck so far up their asses their ears are filled with shit and they absolutely refuse to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about. An unfortunate trend.. Once again, it's because he's always claimed 'Toss imba!' In the beginning, I think a lot of us might have believed him, but he's been saying the same thing forever. He loses more and more credibility the longer he repeats himself in the same way, especially since Code S zergs like Coca and Lucky are doing fantastic versus Toss. Maybe it's just that Idra isn't good enough to compete against the upper tier Protoss. I mean, he's always blamed others for his losses so... Of course, what people like you tend to forget is that Protoss has been nerfed in ZvP repeatedly since release as well... Not exactly crying wolf when the balance patches match your statements every single time, is it? Infestor nerf? Unless you forgot about the days when Infestors could wipe out an entire Protoss army through fungals and NP Yeah, and oddly enough, Idra wasn't whining during that period... ...Do you know what SotG is? Look up all the episodes before the infestor nerf, especially those with Idra in it. I can guarantee you that he complains about racial imbalances in 100% of those.
Actually he said that infestors were super super good, but they had to be cos everything else sucked. After infestor nerf and immortal buff, he thought ZvP was unwinnable again.
He said that in a few months time, Protoss players would learn to do immortal based defense to take bases with warp prism harass, to buy time and slow down zerg tech, into mothership death ball to hit a timing before there were too many broodlords. He said that as soon as the immortal was buffed. He also said for months that ghosts were amazing TvZ and that they countered infestor broodlord, back in the day when Terrans said infestor broodlord was overpowered. Disagree with Idra all you want on his opinion, but when he talks about what is good and what is gonna be huge in a few months, people should listen.
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IdrA is the ONLY one whining about protoss always beating zerg. THE GAME IS BALANCED. wtf
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On January 30 2012 09:10 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 08:57 gh0un wrote:On January 30 2012 08:54 Techno wrote:
Isnt ZvP pretty Zerg favoured right now? Nestea picked Dongraegu for his GSL group. What does that suggest to you? To help you out a little, both DRG and Nestea complained about zerg having a tough time against the other two races right now in their respective interviews. DRG was basically begging nestea not to pick him for his GSL group, because he knew he would do it considering the current state of the game. Those situations aren't even related dude. Nestea's best match has historically been ZvZ. DRG is trying to take the crown of best zerg and if you think Nestea's pick had nothing to do with that then you are crazy.
They aren't related? Even though at the same time that Nestea picked DRG he straight out said that he doesn't know how to beat protoss right now? He said he's tried so many different strategies and none of them are working.
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Idra is right to QQ. This noob here has a 70% PvZ winrate.
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