EPTHuk and IdrA in Code A; "Zerg doesn't beat Toss" - Page 14
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
On January 30 2012 08:26 MichaelDonovan wrote: Stephano doesn't play against Korean Protoss so it doesn't matter what he thinks about the matchup. Damn I hope you are trolling. I mean no one can be this stupid right? | ||
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1800STFU
158 Posts
For Zerg it's Infestor/Brood, and for Protoss it's Archon Toilet backed up with Stalkers and Immortals with a sprinkling of other units. It's just stale and predictable. Mid-game is alot of fun with different timings and whatnot but any ZvP going past the 20 min mark usually ends up the same way. Nothing to do with balence, just how the matchup is structured. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:02 -stOpSKY- wrote: Damn I hope you are trolling. I mean no one can be this stupid right? No I'm serious. Why don't you go ahead and explain why I'm so stupid? | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:01 Secret05 wrote: anyone know what situation is preventing huk from practicing properly right now? I'd guess a combination of overtraining / burnout / exhaustion with the game itself. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On January 30 2012 08:57 Incognoto wrote: Oh I'm so sorry I said I'd stop but I really need to make a point here. SC2 has design flaws (note I said design, not imbalance). These flaws make it so a player can beat another player who is better than them through sheer luck. And I'm not talking about cheese, I'm talking about build order poker and things like that. There are coin flips in this game and more than one pro gamer has said this. That's why it's especially important for tournaments to avoid Bo1 at all costs. Not sure what that has to do with my post. Merely saying that if imbalances do exist, he should be able to recognize that a lot of the players he loses to are actually better than him, and imbalance isn't the only reason he isn't winning tournaments left and right. This is his profession, he should voice his concerns about balance and then get back to practicing so that he can be the best Zerg. When he is the best in the world and still loses to Code B Protosses, then he can whine. It's just not the attitude of a champion. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45223 Posts
On January 30 2012 08:57 gh0un wrote: Nestea picked Dongraegu for his GSL group. What does that suggest to you? To help you out a little, both DRG and Nestea complained about zerg having a tough time against the other two races right now in their respective interviews. DRG was basically begging nestea not to pick him for his GSL group, because he knew he would do it considering the current state of the game. Uh... that Nestea is comfortable with his ZvZ, which has pretty much been an established fact ever since Nestea walked out on stage for the first time and started to roll over every single Zerg ever? >.> | ||
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Techno
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hyptonic
2155 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:03 MichaelDonovan wrote: No I'm serious. Why don't you go ahead and explain why I'm so stupid? stephano is 5-3 against korean protoss. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
5-3 is not a lot of games. When I said he doesn't play against Korea Protoss, I didn't mean he never has. I just mean that his daily training does not include Korean Protoss. Just because he feels comfortable on the European ladder does not mean that he would feel comfortable against the best Protoss in the world. This is why we should listen to IdrA, Nestea, DRG, etc over Stephano when it comes to balance/game design discussion. EDIT: I just want to make it clear that I am not in any way saying that Stephano is bad or that his words do not mean anything. I'm just saying that if we have to choose between believing Nestea's (and all the other best zergs in the world) words and Stephano's words, the choice should be clear. | ||
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
On January 30 2012 08:57 EleanorRIgby wrote: sort of an attitude of a loser, not a attitude of s champion Actually plenty of GSL zerg players have complained about their race at some point. + Show Spoiler + Nestea (all the way at the end when asked about the game balance): Julyzerg (all the way at the end when asked about the game balance): DRG is a recent interivew (mentions nestea having a hard time too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303979 | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On January 30 2012 08:57 gh0un wrote: Nestea picked Dongraegu for his GSL group. What does that suggest to you? To help you out a little, both DRG and Nestea complained about zerg having a tough time against the other two races right now in their respective interviews. DRG was basically begging nestea not to pick him for his GSL group, because he knew he would do it considering the current state of the game. Those situations aren't even related dude. Nestea's best match has historically been ZvZ. DRG is trying to take the crown of best zerg and if you think Nestea's pick had nothing to do with that then you are crazy. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
if nestea says it he's not whining. herp derp. User was warned for this post | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:04 ZasZ. wrote: Not sure what that has to do with my post. Merely saying that if imbalances do exist, he should be able to recognize that a lot of the players he loses to are actually better than him, and imbalance isn't the only reason he isn't winning tournaments left and right. This is his profession, he should voice his concerns about balance and then get back to practicing so that he can be the best Zerg. When he is the best in the world and still loses to Code B Protosses, then he can whine. It's just not the attitude of a champion. I don't recall him claiming he was better than Nestea, Lucky, MMA, etc. Pretty sure he doesn't claim to be the best player in the world. However he does sometimes lose to players who are much worse than him and he loses because the design flaws of SC2 let players find a lucky window of opportunity to end the game. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote: If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining. if nestea says it he's not whining. herp derp. Even worse Stephano beats EU toss, Z fine in PvZ. heuheuhe | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
How can you say this when he has lost 5 games alone vs MC (and won none). | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:14 OrangeSoda wrote: Idra should just switch races already, if he does bad he just falls back on calling zerg bad-.-. Although I think it might hurt his image if he switched races and didn't do any better. It's pretty much impossible to switch races once you're this far in. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:11 darkscream wrote: If idra says protoss is too strong he's whining. if nestea says it he's not whining. herp derp. Idra complains all the time about everything. It's never his fault and always the games and/or the opponents. That's the difference. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45223 Posts
On January 30 2012 09:09 Luppy1 wrote: Actually plenty of GSL zerg players have complained about their race at some point. + Show Spoiler + Nestea (all the way at the end when asked about the game balance): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkaAGnCfWVE Julyzerg (all the way at the end when asked about the game balance): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgH0iaQJ9Ao DRG is a recent interivew (mentions nestea having a hard time too): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303979 To be fair, everyone's complained about their race at some point- including GSL players. Even the best ones. I recall MVP saying that Terran was underpowered (I believe it was as he was winning GSLs lol). I recall MC saying that Protoss was underpowered and if he played Terran he would have already won 4 or so GSLs. Heck, even Artosis has whined about balance once or twice... | ||
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