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On January 30 2012 10:20 RowdierBob wrote:
I wish interviewers would sometimes put a bit more effort into the questions they ask of players.
It would've been nice if they explored Idra's thoughts on why he feels ZvP is hard for zergs right now.
Yea, I think people wouldn't bitch as much about him when he actually explained it like he did in the video interview (15mins ones+)
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On January 30 2012 07:20 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 07:15 MK4512 wrote:On January 30 2012 06:59 Choboo wrote:On January 30 2012 06:57 CameronJ wrote:
How can you say "IdrA never stops whining" when literally every OTHER zerg says the same?
ask stephano Stephano reportedly doesn't use mutas because he thinks they're 'too strong' vs protoss. Atleast that what totalbiscuit(?) or some other caster said while casting some EU inv, bling said it and he lives with stephano/they are really good friends
And what's the point of it? So Blizz doesn't pull a Thorzain on him and nerf mutas to be useless in ZvT because they are OP ZvP? Else it just sounds silly to me...
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I bet if Idra was Protoss, he would say the exact opposite - Protoss can't beat Zerg
Guys, when will you wake up and see that Idra has been like this since BROOD WAR. He complained TERRAN was the most underpowered race and we all see how statement turned out.
Please stop following what he says like blind sheep...
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On January 30 2012 10:26 SkimGuy wrote:
I bet if Idra was Protoss, he would say the exact opposite - Protoss can't beat Zerg
Guys, when will you wake up and see that Idra has been like this since BROOD WAR. He complained TERRAN was the most underpowered race and we all see how statement turned out.
Please stop following what he says like blind sheep...
...i dont think many people in this thread or anywhere think that IdrA's comments on balance are impartial...
however I dont get the angst about his comments -.- i mean you'd think we'd get desensitized over a few years
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idra should watch DRG. I don't think MC has ever beat him and MC has rarly beat nestea.
Yes average zergs (idra) can't beat good protoss (MC) but match is still zerg favored at the tippy top.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I hope Avenge beats Idra  He's been doing well in Team leagues lately (was it KSL vs oGs?)
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id think zerg has the advantage in zvp.
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Idra already preparing his excuses for when he loses rather than putting in the time and effort to overcome his weaknesses. Oh well, it is much easier to whine than it is to man up.
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what does he mean zerg doesn't beat protoss right now? has he seen stephano? he is unstoppable zvp.
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On January 30 2012 10:42 JeffGoldblum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:53 Antimatterz wrote:
OK I'M fed up with the shit that IdrA gets from people. He is probably training the hardest out of every foreigner in the world atm, and he is saying that toss is hard to beat, something that pretty much EVERY SINGLE ZERG you ask will say too. That doesn't mean he is whining, that doesn't mean hes Bad, it just means that he doesn't think he will win because he doesn't understand ZvP. You might say "look at Stephano and CoCa, they have no problem with toss!". They are outliers. Are you Actually going to call IdrA a bitch because he has the same opinion as the vast majority but is Only more vocal? I like the part where you display actual evidence to support your claims instead of just pulling shit out of your ass. /sarcasm End. In the last 3 months of PvZ  DongRaeGu is 11-5 Monster is 10-7 LosirA is 8-8 Curious is 9-4 July is 8-7 Lucky is 6-2 Life is 9-7 Leenock is 12-6 Cezanne is 19-16 BBoongBBoong is 4-4 Line is 6-6 Terious is 5-4 HyuN is 4-1 (The guy has been playing SC2 for only 3 months) I didn't include NesTea because he had only played 3 ZvP's in the last 3 months (Good) Zergs don't have any problem with Protoss. Deal with it.
this is an excellent post but doesn't tell the whole story, albeit it's still very useful, thank you.
I think what IdrA really means is 'my style of passive macro doesn't beat protoss right now.' A lot of these Zerg wins vs Protoss are very coin flippy and you can see that reflected in this post with a lot of Z close to 50/50 vs. toss. A lot of ZvP comes down to gimmicky all-in coin flips, not all certainly. I personally feel Z has a slight edge right now because of the muta situation and the threat of an all-in.. but needless to say it's not a super stable match-up. It requires a lot of gimmicky shit at times and that's something IdrA doesn't like to do.
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hmm a huk vs idra match should be exciting :D good rivalry haha
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On January 30 2012 10:42 JeffGoldblum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:53 Antimatterz wrote:
OK I'M fed up with the shit that IdrA gets from people. He is probably training the hardest out of every foreigner in the world atm, and he is saying that toss is hard to beat, something that pretty much EVERY SINGLE ZERG you ask will say too. That doesn't mean he is whining, that doesn't mean hes Bad, it just means that he doesn't think he will win because he doesn't understand ZvP. You might say "look at Stephano and CoCa, they have no problem with toss!". They are outliers. Are you Actually going to call IdrA a bitch because he has the same opinion as the vast majority but is Only more vocal? I like the part where you display actual evidence to support your claims instead of just pulling shit out of your ass. /sarcasm End. In the last 3 months of PvZ DongRaeGu is 11-5 Monster is 10-7 LosirA is 8-8 Curious is 9-4 July is 8-7 Lucky is 6-2 Life is 9-7 Leenock is 12-6 Cezanne is 19-16 BBoongBBoong is 4-4 Line is 6-6 Terious is 5-4 HyuN is 4-1 (The guy has been playing SC2 for only 3 months) I didn't include NesTea because he had only played 3 ZvP's in the last 3 months (Good) Zergs don't have any problem with Protoss. Deal with it.
pfft you must be trolling. Numbers are obviously like this because those Z players are much better than skillless P opponents and can overcome the obvious imbalance in ZvP. I mean Idra said there is one, so yah!
jk obviously, thanks for the post
edit: to be fair, looking at Korean win rates, a jump from 70% to 45% in a couple of months may indicate that changes were too much.. or maybe P just figured out new timings etc due to changes and Z need to readjust. Still, even if there is a slight P imba, i doubt that that's why Idra loses, since he was complaining even during times Z was dominating
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It always seems to me like IdrA answers questions pretty honestly. I mean, it's not like he created some topic here on TL about how imba protoss is -- he's not going out of his way to complain.
The interviewer asked him an honest question, he gave an honest answer. You guys that are complaining about IdrA complaining are much, much more annoying.
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I wish Idra would stop making excuses, loses to zergs, complains about toss...
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These interviews are like 5 questions, and very generic.
I was all excited =/
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Idra can't hack it in korea/
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On January 30 2012 10:42 JeffGoldblum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 09:53 Antimatterz wrote:
OK I'M fed up with the shit that IdrA gets from people. He is probably training the hardest out of every foreigner in the world atm, and he is saying that toss is hard to beat, something that pretty much EVERY SINGLE ZERG you ask will say too. That doesn't mean he is whining, that doesn't mean hes Bad, it just means that he doesn't think he will win because he doesn't understand ZvP. You might say "look at Stephano and CoCa, they have no problem with toss!". They are outliers. Are you Actually going to call IdrA a bitch because he has the same opinion as the vast majority but is Only more vocal? I like the part where you display actual evidence to support your claims instead of just pulling shit out of your ass. /sarcasm End. In the last 3 months of PvZ DongRaeGu is 11-5 Monster is 10-7 LosirA is 8-8 Curious is 9-4 July is 8-7 Lucky is 6-2 Life is 9-7 Leenock is 12-6 Cezanne is 19-16 BBoongBBoong is 4-4 Line is 6-6 Terious is 5-4 HyuN is 4-1 (The guy has been playing SC2 for only 3 months) I didn't include NesTea because he had only played 3 ZvP's in the last 3 months (Good) Zergs don't have any problem with Protoss. Deal with it.
But that actually doesn't mean very much. That's an extremely small sample, ZvP has changed a lot in 3 months, and a lot of these players were just better than their opponents. Maps have also changed quite a bit iirc. A lot of those records also aren't very good, considering. I only looked at a few, but Leenock and a few others had the worst win-rate in ZvP in the last 3 months, so it's at least their weakest match-up.
Not necessarily agreeing with you, just stating that your evidence means very little. I mean when you've played 10-15 games total changing the outcome of one or two games makes a huge difference in your record. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other with the tiny amount of data we have.
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On January 30 2012 10:34 tdt wrote:
idra should watch DRG. I don't think MC has ever beat him and MC has rarly beat nestea.
Yes average zergs (idra) can't beat good protoss (MC) but match is still zerg favored at the tippy top.
Yeah just like how average protosses (inca, treme,adelscott) can't beat good terrans (Bomber,ForGG,Nada,MVP) especially in macro games where clearly the better player mechanics wise will win, but match is still terran favored at tippy top. At the very least you will never see Code S terrans like super nova going cheese on crossfire in order to beat a code b protoss when they willingly play macro games against top zergs like DRG .
Maybe average protoss are just better at playing macro games than top zergs and terrans though, only in tvp though it seems... weird.
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Most of the people in this thread; "Rejoice, idra haters"
This is what MAKES idra, without his infamous personality towards this game, he would probably be just another average pro-gamer.
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