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NozliW_
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile70 Posts
January 30 2012 02:44 GMT
#401
Oh god, IdrA really hates protoss...
Anyways I hope the best for both of them, I like both players but i don't really agree with IdrA's opinion
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
January 30 2012 02:50 GMT
#402
Has idra been trying mutalisk tech switches vs protoss? theyre pretty obnoxious as shown by last season of GSL code A
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
January 30 2012 02:54 GMT
#403
On January 30 2012 11:44 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 11:26 Werx wrote:
Oh man.. Idra's still got the mental fortitude of a child.

After poor results in foreign tournies over the last few months, he decides to go to Korea and try to compete with a much harder pro scene.

Well.. good luck with that, bro. I'm sure it'll work out..


Good point actually.

Idra´s been average in the foreign scene for a while ofcourse he isnt going todo well in korea vs better opponents.


I'm no fan of idra but saying idra is "average" in the foreign scene is just stupid and blind hate, he has been a top contender for some months now.
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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
January 30 2012 02:55 GMT
#404
On January 30 2012 11:26 Werx wrote:
Oh man.. Idra's still got the mental fortitude of a child.

After poor results in foreign tournies over the last few months, he decides to go to Korea and try to compete with a much harder pro scene.

Well.. good luck with that, bro. I'm sure it'll work out..

Well he was gifted an S slot and has professional obligations. I think will ride it out until he's demoted to B which should be soon as he definitly doesnt have the heart of a champion to say the least.
MC for president
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2012 02:56 GMT
#405
On January 30 2012 11:50 Champi wrote:
Has idra been trying mutalisk tech switches vs protoss? theyre pretty obnoxious as shown by last season of GSL code A


MaNa vs Zenio just 5 minutes ago. Zenio crushed MaNa with fake Hydra pressure into mutas. And to anyone who calls that "coinflippy", fake pressure into tech switch is a standard tactic by all the other races.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 30 2012 03:01 GMT
#406
On January 30 2012 11:56 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 11:50 Champi wrote:
Has idra been trying mutalisk tech switches vs protoss? theyre pretty obnoxious as shown by last season of GSL code A


MaNa vs Zenio just 5 minutes ago. Zenio crushed MaNa with fake Hydra pressure into mutas. And to anyone who calls that "coinflippy", fake pressure into tech switch is a standard tactic by all the other races.

I didn't see the Mana game, but it sounds like the same thing that beat Naniwa on Taldarim at Kiev.
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
January 30 2012 03:01 GMT
#407
Regardless of what they think of the upcoming matches, i wish them good luck! Hope they show some awesome matches!
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2012 03:03 GMT
#408
On January 30 2012 12:01 ZAiNs wrote:
I didn't see the Mana game, but it sounds like the same thing that beat Naniwa on Taldarim at Kiev.


Yes, pretty much the same thing Zenio's been doing to foreign Protosses recently. I'm surprised it's still working.
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SonOfBoxer
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)62 Posts
January 30 2012 03:04 GMT
#409
On January 30 2012 06:59 stonetalon wrote:
even when zerg is destoying toss idra complains X_X i don't get it anymore...


My thoughts exactly. It's been a long time since I last saw a Protoss owning a zerg.
No Pain, No Gain.
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 03:09:19
January 30 2012 03:08 GMT
#410
IdrA has to be one of the most disappointing pros to actually like, and look forward to (atleast most of the time), except for Clide.

Almost every game I watch from him, hes GGing way too damn early, getting owned, playing illogically safe, idk man I find it really hard to support IdrA when he gives his fans nothing to go on. A lot of his statements lack confidence, and instead of saying what he needs to do, and work on, he talks about what Blizzard needs to do and work on.

His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again.

HuK... hes another story, but not one of the same. I'm looking forward to his games.
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
January 30 2012 03:12 GMT
#411
Idra just needs to win something big vs good players then I think his momentum will carry him very far.
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
January 30 2012 03:13 GMT
#412
People need to keep in their minds Idra's history of complaining about protoss in Brood War when protoss clearly wasn't overpowered at all.
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Seiferz
Profile Joined May 2011
United States640 Posts
January 30 2012 03:15 GMT
#413
On January 30 2012 12:08 v3chr0 wrote:
IdrA has to be one of the most disappointing pros to actually like, and look forward to (atleast most of the time), except for Clide.

Almost every game I watch from him, hes GGing way too damn early, getting owned, playing illogically safe, idk man I find it really hard to support IdrA when he gives his fans nothing to go on. A lot of his statements lack confidence, and instead of saying what he needs to do, and work on, he talks about what Blizzard needs to do and work on.

His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again.

HuK... hes another story, but not one of the same. I'm looking forward to his games.


i don't see the point in insulting progamers. he plays for a fucking living, of course he tries hard. you don't move to korea if you want to be lazy.

if he wins everyones gonna be like "OMG ITS THE NEW GRACK new mindset blah blah" and if he loses, people like you will come out again.

fan or not, insulting someone so blatantly is beyond disrespectful.
JeffGoldblum
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Cook Islands191 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#414
On January 30 2012 10:59 Skwid1g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 10:42 JeffGoldblum wrote:
On January 30 2012 09:53 Antimatterz wrote:
OK I'M fed up with the shit that IdrA gets from people. He is probably training the hardest out of every foreigner in the world atm, and he is saying that toss is hard to beat, something that pretty much EVERY SINGLE ZERG you ask will say too. That doesn't mean he is whining, that doesn't mean hes Bad, it just means that he doesn't think he will win because he doesn't understand ZvP. You might say "look at Stephano and CoCa, they have no problem with toss!". They are outliers. Are you Actually going to call IdrA a bitch because he has the same opinion as the vast majority but is Only more vocal?


I like the part where you display actual evidence to support your claims instead of just pulling shit out of your ass. /sarcasm End.

In the last 3 months of PvZ
(Z)DongRaeGu is 11-5
(Z)Monster is 10-7
(Z)LosirA is 8-8
(Z)Curious is 9-4
(Z)July is 8-7
(Z)Lucky is 6-2
(Z)Life is 9-7
(Z)Leenock is 12-6
(Z)Cezanne is 19-16
(Z)BBoongBBoong is 4-4
(Z)Line is 6-6
(Z)Terious is 5-4
(Z)HyuN is 4-1 (The guy has been playing SC2 for only 3 months)

I didn't include NesTea because he had only played 3 ZvP's in the last 3 months

(Good) Zergs don't have any problem with Protoss. Deal with it.



But that actually doesn't mean very much. That's an extremely small sample, ZvP has changed a lot in 3 months, and a lot of these players were just better than their opponents. Maps have also changed quite a bit iirc. A lot of those records also aren't very good, considering. I only looked at a few, but Leenock and a few others had the worst win-rate in ZvP in the last 3 months, so it's at least their weakest match-up.

Not necessarily agreeing with you, just stating that your evidence means very little. I mean when you've played 10-15 games total changing the outcome of one or two games makes a huge difference in your record. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other with the tiny amount of data we have.


Please don't bring up that "sample size" bullshit. It's just a lame excuse for people who've never worked with statistical information throw out there. Yes ZvP has changed in that Zerg have started to win more than Protosses. Also a lot of these players went up against and won vs MC and Sage two guys known for their PvZ. Other win against opponents such as JYP and Oz, JYP a PvZ megamind and Oz a top 3 P. I just stated that Leenock have a 12-6(66,6%) win/loss record. I don't know what numbers you looked but that's clearly wrong or your just lying.
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MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
January 30 2012 03:19 GMT
#415
To be fair I absolutely hate, and have always hated ZvP. I hated it as a Protoss too. It is so timing based, and requires so completely different reactions according to what the opponent is doing... it just feels stupid even when you win, and I can see why someone with idra's hatred of everything random would hate it.
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
January 30 2012 03:21 GMT
#416
On January 30 2012 12:19 MilesTeg wrote:
To be fair I absolutely hate, and have always hated ZvP. I hated it as a Protoss too. It is so timing based, and requires so completely different reactions according to what the opponent is doing... it just feels stupid even when you win, and I can see why someone with idra's hatred of everything random would hate it.


Modern ZvP isn't random or coinflippy. I can not think of one popular strat besides obvious cheese that requires a significant amount of luck for either side to win.
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Werx
Profile Joined August 2010
United States54 Posts
January 30 2012 03:22 GMT
#417
On January 30 2012 12:15 Seiferz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 12:08 v3chr0 wrote:
IdrA has to be one of the most disappointing pros to actually like, and look forward to (atleast most of the time), except for Clide.

Almost every game I watch from him, hes GGing way too damn early, getting owned, playing illogically safe, idk man I find it really hard to support IdrA when he gives his fans nothing to go on. A lot of his statements lack confidence, and instead of saying what he needs to do, and work on, he talks about what Blizzard needs to do and work on.

His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again.

HuK... hes another story, but not one of the same. I'm looking forward to his games.


i don't see the point in insulting progamers. he plays for a fucking living, of course he tries hard. you don't move to korea if you want to be lazy.

if he wins everyones gonna be like "OMG ITS THE NEW GRACK new mindset blah blah" and if he loses, people like you will come out again.

fan or not, insulting someone so blatantly is beyond disrespectful.


Wait, wait, wait. You're actually denouncing someone for being 'disrespectful' to Idra? Bahahahahahaha. Oh man, thanks for that.
AngelusDeLetum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
January 30 2012 03:25 GMT
#418
Idra > Huk
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
January 30 2012 03:26 GMT
#419
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2012 03:27 GMT
#420
On January 30 2012 12:26 arfyron wrote:
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about.


I'm still not over his early gg versus MMA after MMA destroyed his own 4th CC with his siege tanks XD
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