EPTHuk and IdrA in Code A; "Zerg doesn't beat Toss" - Page 20
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VTFlow
United States84 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 30 2012 07:22 JeffGoldblum wrote: Because they've learned it from him. Every foreign zerg seem to think IdrA's word is law for some reason. Actual statistics tell another story. You cant be serious. Are you? They're PRO gamers, they have they're opinions because they have a much further understanding of this game than the average joe Starcraft players. (Such as you) Thus they have their own knowledge of knowing if a matchup feels a bit unfair. I mean really, do you think every pro zerg players bows down on Idra opinions? No, and saying that is just silly. | ||
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On January 30 2012 10:51 Fighter wrote: It always seems to me like IdrA answers questions pretty honestly. I mean, it's not like he created some topic here on TL about how imba protoss is -- he's not going out of his way to complain. The interviewer asked him an honest question, he gave an honest answer. You guys that are complaining about IdrA complaining are much, much more annoying. You apparentely don't know who IdrA is. This shit has been going on for years well before the release of Star2. It's just now that new people to the scene who become fanboys think he's a top Zerg and that his word is law which is much, much more annoying. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:09 RogerX wrote: You cant be serious. Are you? They're PRO gamers, they have they're opinions because they have a much further understanding of this game than the average joe Starcraft players. (Such as you) Thus they have their own knowledge of knowing if a matchup feels a bit unfair. I mean really, do you think every pro zerg players bows down on Idra opinions? No, and saying that is just silly. They also have a bias just like average Joes, and just as easily may have a hard time distinguishing between imba and own shortcomings | ||
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Sabu113
United States11103 Posts
Christ. I need to find that Rekrul rant. "This is what MAKES idra, without his infamous personality towards this game, he would probably be just another average pro-gamer." It's a ridiculous opinion. Back in March/April ,alright we could be more sympathetic. Since then though... his mechanics aren't what the hype makes them and his mentality with Toss is definitely off-color. What's terrible about this is that Idra's words justify another round of innane qq by any zerg not mutarolling people. We've finally seen some revolution in Toss play along with needed map changes to deal with the free third and he's complaining. Well we'll see won't we. 6 months I figure to my displeasure that I'll be vindicated again. | ||
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Reval
United States297 Posts
On January 30 2012 10:54 paddyz wrote: I wish Idra would stop making excuses, loses to zergs, complains about toss... Idra will always complain about toss, I think he just dislikes the race regardless of whatever state of balance they're in | ||
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:09 RogerX wrote: You cant be serious. Are you? They're PRO gamers, they have they're opinions because they have a much further understanding of this game than the average joe Starcraft players. (Such as you) Thus they have their own knowledge of knowing if a matchup feels a bit unfair. I mean really, do you think every pro zerg players bows down on Idra opinions? No, and saying that is just silly. How nice of you to put words in my mouth. It was never implied that other progamers have the same opinions as IdrA as there was no evidence to CameronJ's claim. Get over yourself. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Yet he's still not learnt to be mature enough when he comments something such as balance. :/ | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:13 Sabu113 wrote: "This is what MAKES idra, without his infamous personality towards this game, he would probably be just another average pro-gamer." It's a ridiculous opinion. Back in March/April ,alright we could be more sympathetic. Since then though... his mechanics aren't what the hype makes them and his mentality with Toss is definitely off-color. What's terrible about this is that Idra's words justify another round of innane qq by any zerg not mutarolling people. We've finally seen some revolution in Toss play along with needed map changes to deal with the free third and he's complaining. Well we'll see won't we. 6 months I figure to my displeasure that I'll be vindicated again. I guess further time will tell. But its not looking too well. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Zerg doesn’t really beat Protoss Oh GOD change the record. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:18 darkness wrote: Birth Date: 1989-08-21 Age: 22 (Korean: 24) Yet he's still not learnt to be mature enough when he comments something such as balance. :/ I'm not gona lie I play zerg and I hate the match up. Win or lose I don't find it very stimulating and I hope some changes are brought to it in HoTS. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Zergs advantage lies from hiding behind a billion spines while either going for the base trade or the masssssss brood infestor army. Meanwhile Protoss advantage comes from the fact that they have so so so many different "Surprise! This is what I did and you werent 100% ready so now you die" kinda builds. It's no wonder that none of the sides like the mu that much right now. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
You should try it. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
Or CoCa Or Dimaga Or any Zerg. | ||
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Werx
United States54 Posts
After poor results in foreign tournies over the last few months, he decides to go to Korea and try to compete with a much harder pro scene. Well.. good luck with that, bro. I'm sure it'll work out.. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On January 30 2012 10:49 crms wrote: this is an excellent post but doesn't tell the whole story, albeit it's still very useful, thank you. I think what IdrA really means is 'my style of passive macro doesn't beat protoss right now.' A lot of these Zerg wins vs Protoss are very coin flippy and you can see that reflected in this post with a lot of Z close to 50/50 vs. toss. A lot of ZvP comes down to gimmicky all-in coin flips, not all certainly. I personally feel Z has a slight edge right now because of the muta situation and the threat of an all-in.. but needless to say it's not a super stable match-up. It requires a lot of gimmicky shit at times and that's something IdrA doesn't like to do. A win ratio close to 50% does not indicate coinflip whatsoever. Are you considering things from the Toss point of view? are they never supposed to win? | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:09 RogerX wrote: You cant be serious. Are you? They're PRO gamers, they have they're opinions because they have a much further understanding of this game than the average joe Starcraft players. (Such as you) Thus they have their own knowledge of knowing if a matchup feels a bit unfair. I mean really, do you think every pro zerg players bows down on Idra opinions? No, and saying that is just silly. Just noise. appeal to authority is a logical fallacy not to mention ALL pro gamers complain about their race just shows how bias they are. Math and statistics have no bias and working from there the ZvP seems pretty balanced right now. TvP and TvZ are still Terran favored. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11103 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:20 RogerX wrote: I guess further time will tell. But its not looking too well. Wait which for which one of us >< Now I'm confused. I want to be wrong right? :p On a more serious note, even if the results dont match if the games are good I'll take that as disproving my hypothesis. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:26 Werx wrote: Oh man.. Idra's still got the mental fortitude of a child. After poor results in foreign tournies over the last few months, he decides to go to Korea and try to compete with a much harder pro scene. Well.. good luck with that, bro. I'm sure it'll work out.. Good point actually. Idra´s been average in the foreign scene for a while ofcourse he isnt going todo well in korea vs better opponents. | ||
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