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On January 30 2012 12:26 arfyron wrote:
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about.
Although its the exception rather than the rule, there's definitely a few infamous high profile examples where he left too early and lost games he had 100% won.
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On January 30 2012 12:26 arfyron wrote:
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about.
We actually do know more than Idra seeing the whole map and he doesnt. Like when MMA destoryed his CC or HuKs fake VRs we would not have left knowing. Anyway - point is he never plays it out till dead so many times he would not have lost.
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On January 30 2012 12:15 Seiferz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:08 v3chr0 wrote:
IdrA has to be one of the most disappointing pros to actually like, and look forward to (atleast most of the time), except for Clide.
Almost every game I watch from him, hes GGing way too damn early, getting owned, playing illogically safe, idk man I find it really hard to support IdrA when he gives his fans nothing to go on. A lot of his statements lack confidence, and instead of saying what he needs to do, and work on, he talks about what Blizzard needs to do and work on.
His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again.
HuK... hes another story, but not one of the same. I'm looking forward to his games. i don't see the point in insulting progamers. he plays for a fucking living, of course he tries hard. you don't move to korea if you want to be lazy. if he wins everyones gonna be like "OMG ITS THE NEW GRACK new mindset blah blah" and if he loses, people like you will come out again. fan or not, insulting someone so blatantly is beyond disrespectful.
Wow! Insulting IdrA? For one, I can have any opinion I like, and two, why are you so shocked? This is what IdrA does, how can there not be people disappointed at him for playing like an enraged 15 yr old some of the time... I am one of his fans who gives him the benefit of the doubt every game he plays. Then the few words he does say, are about balance. Please, give me a break, if you want your fans to support you, you have to earn it. I'm not calling IdrA an asshole, or a newb, I'm actually giving my honest opinion on his flaws - get over it.
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On January 30 2012 12:26 arfyron wrote:
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about.
a lot of pros already said that he leaves games too early and there were two games were he was ahead and left the game. It's not idiotic to assume that.
Also it's never bad to stay in game, but it's bad to leave a game which you can win.
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Sure everyone can point to those games (that were played a long time ago) endlessly and of course those were errors. However a tournament doesn't go by without people saying Idra left too early when 99% of the time it's not at all true. People don't understand how far they are in skill both mechanically (obviously) but also in game understanding from pro players. When Idra leaves games it's almost always because if played out he would eventually lose. I trust his judgement with only his vision over 99% of the SC community even if they can see the whole map.
I know the post isn't entirely related but it's frustrating that it seems like almost everyone thinks their opinion is correct and thus they must have some special insight into this game when they don't.
Also there's a reason you almost never hear pros talk about Idra's "BM" it's because he's actually a nice guy and because they don't care.
On January 30 2012 12:41 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:26 arfyron wrote:
It's idiotic of anyone to assume that when Idra leaves the game it's too early (unless you're a pro obviously). He's better than all of us and knows much more. I don't understand what happened to make random people think they know what they are talking about. a lot of pros already said that he leaves games too early and there were two games were he was ahead and left the game. It's not idiotic to assume that. Also it's never bad to stay in game, but it's bad to leave a game which you can win.
Which pros said that? Especially recently.
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It isn't "never" bad to leave a game when you think you are more behind than you are.
Stamina, regain focus, calm down are factors too.
I agree that he could stay in some games longer, but I think many players have left games early.
Can you say you've never left a game without playing it out until he literally killed every structure?
I think not.
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Replace "Zerg" with "idra" and he is spot on.
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In the the most recent tournament, Zerg lost three games to protoss out of eleven. Idra was just making a hyperbolic statement, which I don't think should be surprising to anyone
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So many nerd tears and blind complaints generated from a single idra response to an opinionated based question.
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United States144 Posts
Idra's QQing was funny at first. It's just old now.
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On January 30 2012 12:08 v3chr0 wrote:
His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again.
In the fighting game community, there is a term called a "scrub", a player who plays by imaginary rulesets constructed in his mind for the purpose of refusing to deal with the actual game rules. IdrA is the greatest scrub in the history of competitive StarCraft.
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On January 30 2012 12:53 confusedcrib wrote:In the the most recent tournament, Zerg lost three games to protoss out of eleven. Idra was just making a hyperbolic statement, which I don't think should be surprising to anyone
I think Idra is talking about the Korean scene, which has seen a huge resurgence in Protosses lately. But yes, blunt exaggeration is his thing.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 30 2012 12:42 arfyron wrote:
Sure everyone can point to those games (that were played a long time ago) endlessly and of course those were errors. However a tournament doesn't go by without people saying Idra left too early when 99% of the time it's not at all true. People don't understand how far they are in skill both mechanically (obviously) but also in game understanding from pro players. When Idra leaves games it's almost always because if played out he would eventually lose. I trust his judgement with only his vision over 99% of the SC community even if they can see the whole map.
I know the post isn't entirely related but it's frustrating that it seems like almost everyone thinks their opinion is correct and thus they must have some special insight into this game when they don't.
Also there's a reason you almost never hear pros talk about Idra's "BM" it's because he's actually a nice guy and because they don't care.
I play sports competitively and I play each game until the very last second expires. That is the kind of mindset I have when playing, so of course I am disappointed whenever a progamer (whoever it may be) leaves when there is still a small chance of winning.
Nobody is calling Idra a loser or a bad player or lacking in understanding of the game because he ggs early. But the truest champions and winners don't quit when there's still a little hope, because they want to win every single game no matter how far behind they are. Would you expect great champions like Jordan or Pele or [insert best.player.ever? here] to give up because of a deficit, especially in a playoff game? You can make the same argument for people like BoxeR or Fantasy or even MVP. You don't become a champion only being the most skilled or talented; a proper attitude is required. And yes, I am saying Idra doesn't have that right now.
Idra is an amazing player, but he needs that heart of a champion to truly succeed.
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IdrA cries imbalance, explosion of nerd hate occurs. Nestea says the same thing, nobody gives a fck. Just the way ppl are perceived I guess, haters gonna hate.
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HuK vs IdrA.
Make it happen please please.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 30 2012 13:02 TAMinator wrote:
IdrA cries imbalance, explosion of nerd hate occurs. Nestea says the same thing, nobody gives a fck. Just the way ppl are perceived I guess, haters gonna hate.
It's because Nestea is 31 (?) and a frickin' GIANT so everyone is afraid of him :p
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On January 30 2012 06:57 SC2NeCro wrote:
CoCa says hi.
Stephano says hi.
...from not in GSL
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On January 30 2012 13:02 TAMinator wrote:
IdrA cries imbalance, explosion of nerd hate occurs. Nestea says the same thing, nobody gives a fck. Just the way ppl are perceived I guess, haters gonna hate.
If somebody wants to raise their concerns about the state of the game that's absolutely fine, it's just Idra has been saying the EXACT same thing for 2 years now regardless of what stats and shifts in the game suggest.
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On January 30 2012 12:57 MichaelJLowell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 12:08 v3chr0 wrote:
His mindset is flawed, he WANTS to be the best, yet he doesn't seem to TRY to be the best. Spend less time worrying about stuff you cannot change, and more on what you can change. IdrA makes NA look bad - hardly any other pro has his outlook on the game, Koreans never leave the damn game, and sometimes end up winning. Uhg, he gets me annoyed sometimes, NA needs more good players and IdrA is slipping again. In the fighting game community, there is a term called a "scrub", a player who plays by imaginary rulesets constructed in his mind for the purpose of refusing to deal with the actual game rules. IdrA is the greatest scrub in the history of competitive StarCraft.
well said
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Getting pretty sick of Idra to be honest, this stuff was entertaining a year ago but now that he is actually in a serious venue it's becoming apparent he is still the same whiney, crybaby. Expected better to be honest, thought he might have learnt his lesson. I guess people never change.
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