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First of all I am not a star at writing essays but this is something that needs to be said, so here goes!
Today I was watching Artosis stream some very high quality content where he plays a game and then watches the replay with the viewers and explains his though process to help teach all levels of play how to up your game. This is, for me at least, as informative and entertaining as the Day[9] Daily, as I said, very high quality.
Part way through Artosis hit a guy named Swoozy on the Korean ladder who was being rude and disrespectful with absolutely no cause. Swoozy stated that he stream sniped Artosis. For those of you who don't know, stream sniping is when a player is watching another player stream and will search for a game at the same time as the other player in order to get to play a ladder game against that other player who is streaming. The streaming player is showing all of his play and so the sniping player is at a great advantage because they can switch out of the game and to the stream to get free information. Artosis was distraught after his loss due to the safe assumption that Swoozy was watching his stream, Swoozy's rude remarks were, I am sure, were a contributing factor as well. I am writing this as Artosis is streaming and Swoozy has hit him five more times on the ladder in less than one hour.
It can be agreed that Swoozy's behavior is appalling to say the least, and while uncommon it is not new. Destiny as had some serious problems with being stream sniped, even Desrow has mentioned problems with this on his stream. There are certainly more instances of stream sniping than just those mentioned here.
Swoozy has been reported to Blizzard for harassment but I have never herd of any disciplinary action that has been taken to prevent stream sniping. Blizzard has temporarily banned a high profile player not too long ago for miss using his stream to cause another player to "lag out".
The real problem here is the lack of respect for some of the people who do their best to give to the community. They will stop streaming if people continue to snipe them and that means less content for people like you and me who open streams to learn and be entertained. Furthermore streaming is a critical source of income for a lot of pros, to ruin their stream is putting their livelihood at risk.
We have to, as a community, put a stop to this. It is not reasonable to say that this is just part of streaming. People are abusing the generosity of out pros to simply be destructive.
My goal for this thread is to draw attention to this issue and to have some suggestions posted for how to stop this from happening. Please post, make this one of the featured threads, so that people can see the suggestions the community has to offer. Lets aim to make this thread so popular that it gets mentioned on shows like State Of The Game so that this problem gets the exposure it deserves.
Finally, we are part of a great community that is usually constructive and respectful. Lets work problem out and stop stream sniping.
****I am told I used the wrong term Swozzy is "Stream Hacking (Ghosting)" Thanks BloodNinja.
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Stop making threads about it and giving attention whores attention.
I have no idea why you think you making a post on TL would do anything about the situation except make people who have made it their job to get attention get excited that you're giving it to them. Stop.
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swoozy is a combat/deezer wannabe
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Does anyone know if Swoozy is an alias for an NA stream sniper, or is he home grown in Korea :[..
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he is from NA, or at least has been bm and sniping people on NA for a while.
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Own3D has a stream delay feature, while Twitch.tv doesn't, right? Maybe we could ask twitch to implement this, or at least mention that it'd be a nice thing to have.
This seems like the only way to really deal with stream snipers... does anyone have better ideas?
Edit: By the way, it might be a good idea to remove the name of the stream sniper. As people above have mentioned, these people are obviously in it for the 'fame'. Perhaps we should remove as much of that as possible?
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This is a problem that has been in the starcraft community for forever. Making threads like this won't do anything to stop it :/.
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Posts like this are completely useless because the intent of the stream snipers/cheaters is to get the streamer/audience riled up and it's working.
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stream delay. turn it on when you play, turn it off when you want to interact with the viewers actively (as in listening to what they have to say).
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Oreo7 is spot on. Artosis will handle it his way. He's a big boy. Don't give useless people any attention. They will eventually slip into the oblivion from whence they came!
EDIT* - And quite unfortunate the stream sniper and I have a dangerously similar name X___X
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I see nothing wrong of the person just wants to play you. But minimizing to get information is rough.
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The internet is the internet. No amount of ranting and raving will change this. People need to grow thicker skin and deal with it.
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Yea this was really rough for artosis. Unfortunately sometimes I feel that competitive respect is absent from 21st century gaming, particularly online, but i'm not sure what has caused it. Perhaps younger and younger people being raised in an "anonymous" kind of internet culture and immature behavior and thought materializes more easily and frequently than in the past.
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On January 04 2012 15:06 Chriscras wrote:
Does anyone know if Swoozy is an alias for an NA stream sniper, or is he home grown in Korea :[..
Pretty sure it's deezer or one of his friends
proof + Show Spoiler +
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On January 04 2012 15:08 TBone- wrote:
I see nothing wrong of the person just wants to play you. But minimizing to get information is rough.
Dual screens...
Just IP ban Deezer/Swoozy from battle.net. One unhappy douchebag, thousands of happy SC2 fans.
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This might not be the best place to discuss this.
I once called someone a cheater after they posted a guide (and a cheesy one at that) in the strategy forum that linked to replays that had them bragging about stream sniping with CombatEx. I was warned by a moderator. To TL, I was told by said moderator, stream sniping is not cheating, and that TL takes no official stance on it. I was even told it would be perfectly okay to create a thread about how to stream snipe effectively.
Essentially, by saying stream snipers are doing something wrong (akin to cheating/hacking), we are player bashing, and that can make this discussion iffy. To make any real headway toward punishing those who stream snipe on this site, I imagine we'd need this site to condemn it too.
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You're making a mountain out of a mole hill... just relax, it happens, people need to just deal with it. It's one of the "risks" you run when you stream and are popular.
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Swoozy is Deezers teammate on team MMX they are different people.
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This has been discussed many times, and yes it's annoying. But how do you fix it? I can't help but feel that shining light on it in this forum will only encourage them.
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