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Gorsameth
Netherlands21948 Posts
I hope so anyway. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
I don't understand the hard-on people at TL have for Nien. The last time he had a good performance was on Team MRN and that was a very relative definition of "good." | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On December 16 2014 06:10 Zess wrote: I don't understand the hard-on people at TL have for Nien. The last time he had a good performance was on Team MRN and that was a very relative definition of "good." He hasn't had a good performance since Team MRN because he was playing Top lane instead of his ADC the first role he rose to prominence on. I thought he played really well during the expansion tournament but unfortunately couldn't 1v9 CST. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 16 2014 06:12 JonGalt wrote: He hasn't had a good performance since Team MRN because he was playing Top lane instead of his ADC the first role he rose to prominence on. I thought he played really well during the expansion tournament but unfortunately couldn't 1v9 CST. He certainly looked good during the games I watched. Didn't watch the last couple games but he certainly didn't look like the reason Fusion lost. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 16 2014 06:10 Zess wrote: I don't understand the hard-on people at TL have for Nien. The last time he had a good performance was on Team MRN and that was a very relative definition of "good." Being top-3 adc in NA back in that time is relative definition? What a cutie you are. Dunno, i can see Nien staying in Fusion actually, you know. No stress, moneys are same, scrimming with LCS teams anyway. They will easily crush through Challenger scene unless they're going to get NiP'd and most likely face Coast/T8 in few months, so revenge might be sweet. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
They said they might do it and I personally think it has more pros then cons. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On December 16 2014 19:16 TitusVI wrote: I had the hope they implement that last place directly goes back to CS and first place CS goes directly to LCS. They said they might do it and I personally think it has more pros then cons. I also really like this idea. It puts pressure on the bottom teams to really perform and gives an even higher incentive for CS teams to really push all out for that first place spot. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 16 2014 21:59 JonGalt wrote: I also really like this idea. It puts pressure on the bottom teams to really perform and gives an even higher incentive for CS teams to really push all out for that first place spot. Only downside is that it allows challenger teams to get in that are worse than the LCS team they replace. From that perspective it is anti-competetive. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
On December 17 2014 00:18 Redox wrote: Only downside is that it allows challenger teams to get in that are worse than the LCS team they replace. From that perspective it is anti-competetive. Makes room for new teams to grow though, especially when you're talking about teams that are routinely playing in the relegation tournament like Coast, CW, EG, Millennium, etc. that have kinda hit their cap but are still experienced enough to beat unproven amateur players that haven't gotten the same opportunities. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 17 2014 00:38 ExceliosBeyond wrote: Makes room for new teams to grow though, especially when you're talking about teams that are routinely playing in the relegation tournament like Coast, CW, EG, Millennium, etc. that have kinda hit their cap but are still experienced enough to beat unproven amateur players that haven't gotten the same opportunities. EG's 7th places are completely different from each other. Only same thing is place. "Unproven amateur players" - when did it happen last time, for completely new bunch of amateurs to make Promotion Tournament, lol. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
On December 17 2014 01:02 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: EG's 7th places are completely different from each other. Only same thing is place. "Unproven amateur players" - when did it happen last time, for completely new bunch of amateurs to make Promotion Tournament, lol. SHC was mainly amateur players with no LCS experience. Weren't good enough to get in through promotions but they got the 2nd chance when LD combusted. They've progressively gotten better with more experience. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 17 2014 02:07 ExceliosBeyond wrote: SHC was mainly amateur players with no LCS experience. Weren't good enough to get in through promotions but they've progressively gotten better with more experience. Mimer just played half split with NiP and it's not like Haydal/Rallez, Migxa or Moopz were some amateurs, it was mainly Impaler who almost never played outside of British scene at that point. And i'd argue that they got better not because they got more experience but changed midlaner, Mimer got randomly legit good and Impaler got used to other champions but Vi. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
On December 17 2014 02:15 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Mimer just played half split with NiP and it's not like Haydal/Rallez, Migxa or Moopz were some amateurs, it was mainly Impaler who almost never played outside of British scene at that point. And i'd argue that they got better not because they got more experience but changed midlaner, Mimer got randomly legit good and Impaler got used to other champions but Vi. Seems your definition of amateur player is "never played in a team at any scale ever," and if that's the case, then there are very few amateur players. I would say an amateur is someone who never played in LCS. At any rate, if you really don't think a team with amateur players can grow and improve once they make their LCS and have stable salaries and no other commitments, then I guess we just see things differently. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 17 2014 02:20 ExceliosBeyond wrote: Seems your definition of amateur player is "never played in a team at any scale ever," and if that's the case, then there are very few amateur players. I would say an amateur is someone who never played in LCS. At any rate, if you really don't think a team with amateur players can grow and improve once they make their LCS and have stable salaries and no other commitments, then I guess we just see things differently. It's just hard for me to see players with 2+ years competitive experience only in League of Legends as amateurs, just because they hadn't played in those conditions. Closest call for "amateur team" is probably Velocity, everyone knows how did it end. 5-23, being outclassed, fighting with each other and self-imploding in the end. MRN is other case, they would have finished even worse probably, level of competition in first split was just bad. It's more about support stuff in LCS than about players itself, if you have no infrastructure, you won't fight for top even if your team have 5 European/American brothers of Faker, doesn't matter, are they amateurs or guys who were in scene forever. | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
On December 17 2014 00:18 Redox wrote: Only downside is that it allows challenger teams to get in that are worse than the LCS team they replace. From that perspective it is anti-competetive. No... I mean the first place challenger team is an "diamond" that isnt cut yet. They deserve to get a chance of getting cut. The lcs teams have such an advantage with getting paid, having non stop league time and camera time its not even funny anymore. The promotion matches are not really "fair" if u see it from that point. And its just one team that gets the bye its not like you loose much of competivness when loosing the last place lcs team. The second and third CS teams have still to play the matches. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
I am aware that snakeQ and team king are pretty bad examples since they have similar mad Chinese billionaires backing them but you get the idea. Mafa and mandu to coach kakao and rookie's energy pacemaker squad Illusion to Young Glory World elite shuffles their rosters with the totes not linked to world elite former WE.A squad M3. Yuzhe to the main team, LoveCD to M3 and oldB/Khan to ME (LSPL team) Amazing, mithy and niels confirmed to peke's team | ||
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