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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1601
well he can just go to MLG
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1602
This is such an Overreaction from GOMTV Seriously wtf.

They need to Rescind their decision imagine how Naniwa feels right now essentially didn't do wrong.

I'm not even a fan of Naniwa this is just the stupidest decision GOM has ever made wtf.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1603
On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?

This is painful to read. Are you seriously thinking that his probe rush (that he didn't not even try to micro, because he was purposefully throwing away the game, if you did not figure it out yet) may win against 6-pool? Seriously?
kleetzor
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany360 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1604
Even if I like Nani a lot, I think this is deserved. I won't take the time to read this whole shitstorm of a thread, but I'll chip in.

Imagine if you paid your tickets to go to Champions League game, last matchday, in which none of the teams had any chance of advancing beyond group phase, and one of them would just sit on the grass and wait until they get scored 90 goals against them. Or what if the same thing happened with 2 eliminated NFL teams. Would you think the same if one of the teams just threw the game away like nani did, and leave all sponsors, fans, teammates just hanging there? The same as with the UEFA Champions League, qualifying for the Blizzard Cup was not easy and it was actually a prize in itself, and there are more factors involved than your mood when it comes to being a professional. If I was an organizer, be it Blizzard or Gom, I would have felt like someone dumped a massive load of shit on my face after what happened.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1605
On December 14 2011 20:33 hzflank wrote:
I am finding it really hard to understand how anyone can defend Naniwa in this thread.

And to the Swedish people who are being very nationalistic: Why dont you save that support for the Swedish players who actually deserve it?

What? What the fuck are you on about, you think that just because we support one of the best protosses in the world we negate ThorZain, MorroW and the rest? LOL
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
TwoSIXTY
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1606
On December 14 2011 20:23 trucane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:18 GD1 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:16 trucane wrote:
I guess this is what happens when you host something as the GSL in a country who hates other cultures. I am from Sweden and I have learned from young age to respect other cultures even if I don't always agree with them. I guess thats what is being raised in a civilized western country. Maybe we are wrong and should be more like Korea, force every immigrant to behave just like us swedes or punish them in every single way we know of. Would that be fair?


Are you seriously retarded? Can all the swedish people here please stop ur retarded biased bullshit, u dont have anything to say so u spit out the most dumb shit u can think of.
I'm from sweden aswell and this is just embarassing


And what do you have to say? Real mature for you insult me when I bring up some important facts. I guess you are one of those swedes who go out on the streets insulting everyone from a different culture


(I'm sorry mods, but this is worth getting banned for)

You ignorant fucking prick! I know where you are trying to go with your posts and it doesn't fucking belong here.

Take your racial shit somewhere else you fucking pig.

When the fuck did Naniwa acting like a 10 year old little kid chucking a tanty all of a sudden evolve into a discussion about the western countries being more cilivilized then Korea?

Seriously, get the fuck out of here you piece of shit.

If Naniwa can't respect a tournament in another country. Don't bother fucking going. Simple. I'd rather have less whining bitches in the Professional scene anyway.

User was banned for this post.
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1607
On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:

You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with?


In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment.

its a sportsmanship thing.

anyway, people who say they wont support gom...when naniwa gets back into code s everything will be right again
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1608
On December 14 2011 20:29 h41fgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:28 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:24 ReaperX wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:22 Lann555 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:21 tnud wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:20 valaki wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:15 klaxen wrote:
Everyone is done with GSL. I guess you don't like watching the best players.


I do like that. Naniwa isn't one of them.

He is. He got many very solid titles to his name and put up really good games in the Blizzard Cup. I don't even know where to start.


Start out by pointing out a game he has won in GSL.

I honestly think Sen will do much better in GSL then Naniwa


Start out by pointing out a game Sen has won in the GSL.

When Sen was in the GSL he made it to the Ro32 and had some close ZvZ's vs NesTea

And he beat Naniwa in Blizzcon so I wouldn't say that the gap between their skill levels is THAT massive

And Naniwa beat MVP, nestea, and DRG at blizzcon so I wouldnät say that the gap between their skill levels is THAT massive.

By that I think you mean MLG not Blizzcon, a tournament which Sen has NEVER participated in. I would say Sen has the skill to beat the best of the best
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#1609
On December 14 2011 20:32 purpose wrote:
Lets say naniwa went for a cannon rush, put down a pylon, neastea ses it, pull probes and naniwa GGs. Would everything have been A OK then? Would all the important people who paid for this have gotten their moneys worth? Would GOMTV feel happy and would Nestea have feel that "fuck yea I got my revenge on that fucking naniwa"?

If anybody trully can say yes to that then they must be drunk or retarded. It would have been exactly the same but nobobyd would still have raged.

Naniwa did something that caught attention due to the nature of it, and people just rage and cry. I daubt Neaste gives a fuck.

And tbh, not sure if I got Huks tweet correct but if he is saying that stuff ilke this kills esport then I miss judged Huk so much and he has one less fan. Because thats just stupied to think. This wont affect esport at all, if anything GOMTV is killing esport with this bs!!

he'd have been trying to win instead of losing on purpose

oops, you're wrong
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:34:23
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1610
On December 14 2011 20:28 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:27 Executor1 wrote:
I agree with huk

LorangerChris

if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?


LorangerChris

As much as everyone likes to overuse "killing esports", noone actually uses in the example when it actually is. Things like this kil esports

from huks twitter.

which side is he talking about?

throwing games and not caring is more harmful in my opinion

Hes talking about naniwa throwing the games, he supports gom decision, im sorry if that wasnt clear i thought it was.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1611
The way artosis put it on stream it sounded like Nani will still have a code S seed for the 2nd GSL in 2012.

Anyone confirm?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1612
On December 14 2011 20:32 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:31 Logros wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:25 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:22 ggrrg wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game!


With all his heart!? Do you really think that any progamer can do this after being eliminated in the most frustrating manner in 3 extremely close games?

For Nestea and Naniwa it stopped being a tournament the moment they got 0-3. From them on it became an annoying waste of time.

Also, it's quite disrespectful to start a post with "Kids"...


Really? Does FC Munich just quit the field when they are down 0-3 in the 80 minute? Does Hamilton decide to just not drive the last 3 races if he can't be world champion? Your comparison makes me sick. They are professionals and they should act like they are.

No because they could still come back or get a better score for future games. And no because he can place higher in the final rankings and earn more money. The thing is these games did not matter AT ALL. If Nestea won wouldn't change anything for anyone than if Naniwa won. The tournament was already over the match was a joke.


it would mean nestea beat naniwa on tv

that actually matters to some of us fans. I guess we're crazy!

Both of the would've played even less than half-assed, the match would mean nothing.
Dimon87
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden218 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1613
On December 14 2011 20:31 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:28 Dimon87 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:18 anrimayu wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:11 Dimon87 wrote:
I guess the "global" part of the GOM.tv did not apply here. Really dissapointing.


no naniwa = no longer global

Let's ignore every other foreigners in the gsl because using hyperboles is cool


What i meant was that this decision is fully based on korean culture and it seems they do not care about the west. Way to harsh punishment.


I wonder why a Korean tournament ran by Koreans in Korea sponsored by Korean companies are making decisions based on Korean culture? It just doesn't make sense.


It is fully within their right and it DOES makes sense but they do also call themselves a global tournament.
Xax
Profile Joined December 2003
475 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1614
On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:

You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with?


If I want to call myself a progamer, then yes. First of all, it's all about sportsmanship and respect. Also, there's another side to sports with an audience besides just results.

TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1615
On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.

It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.

If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?

What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.

This is an embarrassment.


- BM mules and nexii are culturally acceptable within the korean scene, and they occur after a FULL GAME has transpired.
there is no rational comparison between them and a probe rush and I desperately wish people would stop trying to construct this false dichotomy.

- we can say that he threw the game, because a probe rush is a functional 100% loss and a strategy that is a 100% loss is functionally the same as throwing a game or refusing to participate. neither are at all acceptable when a company is paying you to play games for them.

- idra hasn't pulled that shit in korea, where nobody would stand for it. he is seeded though, so we'll see how long he lasts.

- no, it's a rational decision by gom to not contract players that make them look silly for offering. I do wish they'd given him a second chance, but the korean scene and its standards are well-established and he shouldn't try to force people to accept his temper tantrums as the norm.
Chromodoris
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden136 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1616
On December 14 2011 20:29 michielbrands wrote:
I don't understand why people do not agree with GSL decision, in any other sport NaNiWa would have been punished way harder. In soccer teams who lose with purpose, and that's what NaNiWa obivously did, they ban the team for like 5 years. I think NaNiWa gets away pretty good...

If we want to make eSport serious, we need to punish seriously and that´s what GSL did.

I am really sad NaNiWa made this stupid mistake, cause I like the player very much his playstyle is genius, but what he did yesterday was just plain stupid!

In football they would not get 5 years of penalty for not playing their best in a match that does nothing, stop saying things that are not true. I've seen plenty football games where the match meant nothing and neither of the teams played to win and none of those games have been "hurting" football. Sure if you lose on purpose and it affects someone else or if you are fixing a match you'll get punished but that's not the case here. Sure he could be fined for not respecting the tournament but the games should not have been played in the first place. Revoking his Code S spot that he earned at MLG is way too harsh.

Something that's alot worse than what Naniwa did is what Stephano did at DH since that meant that Cloud got a free win when the other two in the group had to play against a Stephano that tried.
♥ ThorZaIN.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1617
SC2 esports just took ten steps back.

Well done haters.

Naniwa, ignore the nubs/haters.
*burp*
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1618
On December 14 2011 20:34 Derez wrote:
The way artosis put it on stream it sounded like Nani will still have a code S seed for the 2nd GSL in 2012.

Anyone confirm?

naniwa gets his code s seed revoked and is ONLY banned for ONE season of GSL. not perma.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1619
On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.

It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.

If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?

What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.

This is an embarrassment.

I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol..

Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit.
This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread.

No.

You cannot win with a probe rush against a 6 pool. Unless you are in some shitty ladder league.

Why are you lying like an idiot?
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#1620
On December 14 2011 20:33 hYrasD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:30 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:27 hYrasD wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:15 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game!

The match was meaningless. If this match was to decide who was last in the up and down groups it wouldn't have been played. The only reason GOM showed it was because NESTEA VS NANIWA DRAMA OMG VIEWER COUNTS!!!!


And thats the Point! Some People stand up all night long or woke up early, or used their break at work to watch that re game between Nestea and Nani. Rly no one cant be satisfied with that performance from nani, not the 3games before, u can lose to stupid one base allin´s. Just imagine CR or Leo Messi act like this in a Classico after they are 3goals behind.

Would you have been more satisfied if NaNiwa poorly cannon rushed and left or poory proxied and left?
Probably not. Also it's not Naniwa's fault that his opponents decided to cheese him all three games, MMA did it without even scouting him.


Early expand like the other 3games and try to play a macro game? Why not? I dont get it and pls stop the bullshit it was meaningless it wasnt for the fans.

So why didn't Leenock, MMA, or Polt early expand and try to play a macro game? How about MC vs MVP?
Please quit with the double standards.
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