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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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crystyxn
Romania254 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
They need to Rescind their decision imagine how Naniwa feels right now essentially didn't do wrong. I'm not even a fan of Naniwa this is just the stupidest decision GOM has ever made wtf. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote: If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling? This is painful to read. Are you seriously thinking that his probe rush (that he didn't not even try to micro, because he was purposefully throwing away the game, if you did not figure it out yet) may win against 6-pool? Seriously? | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
Imagine if you paid your tickets to go to Champions League game, last matchday, in which none of the teams had any chance of advancing beyond group phase, and one of them would just sit on the grass and wait until they get scored 90 goals against them. Or what if the same thing happened with 2 eliminated NFL teams. Would you think the same if one of the teams just threw the game away like nani did, and leave all sponsors, fans, teammates just hanging there? The same as with the UEFA Champions League, qualifying for the Blizzard Cup was not easy and it was actually a prize in itself, and there are more factors involved than your mood when it comes to being a professional. If I was an organizer, be it Blizzard or Gom, I would have felt like someone dumped a massive load of shit on my face after what happened. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:33 hzflank wrote: I am finding it really hard to understand how anyone can defend Naniwa in this thread. And to the Swedish people who are being very nationalistic: Why dont you save that support for the Swedish players who actually deserve it? What? What the fuck are you on about, you think that just because we support one of the best protosses in the world we negate ThorZain, MorroW and the rest? LOL | ||
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TwoSIXTY
Australia4 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:23 trucane wrote: And what do you have to say? Real mature for you insult me when I bring up some important facts. I guess you are one of those swedes who go out on the streets insulting everyone from a different culture (I'm sorry mods, but this is worth getting banned for) You ignorant fucking prick! I know where you are trying to go with your posts and it doesn't fucking belong here. Take your racial shit somewhere else you fucking pig. When the fuck did Naniwa acting like a 10 year old little kid chucking a tanty all of a sudden evolve into a discussion about the western countries being more cilivilized then Korea? Seriously, get the fuck out of here you piece of shit. If Naniwa can't respect a tournament in another country. Don't bother fucking going. Simple. I'd rather have less whining bitches in the Professional scene anyway. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote: In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment. its a sportsmanship thing. anyway, people who say they wont support gom...when naniwa gets back into code s everything will be right again | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:29 h41fgod wrote: And Naniwa beat MVP, nestea, and DRG at blizzcon so I wouldnät say that the gap between their skill levels is THAT massive. By that I think you mean MLG not Blizzcon, a tournament which Sen has NEVER participated in. I would say Sen has the skill to beat the best of the best | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:32 purpose wrote: Lets say naniwa went for a cannon rush, put down a pylon, neastea ses it, pull probes and naniwa GGs. Would everything have been A OK then? Would all the important people who paid for this have gotten their moneys worth? Would GOMTV feel happy and would Nestea have feel that "fuck yea I got my revenge on that fucking naniwa"? If anybody trully can say yes to that then they must be drunk or retarded. It would have been exactly the same but nobobyd would still have raged. Naniwa did something that caught attention due to the nature of it, and people just rage and cry. I daubt Neaste gives a fuck. And tbh, not sure if I got Huks tweet correct but if he is saying that stuff ilke this kills esport then I miss judged Huk so much and he has one less fan. Because thats just stupied to think. This wont affect esport at all, if anything GOMTV is killing esport with this bs!! he'd have been trying to win instead of losing on purpose oops, you're wrong | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:28 Vari wrote: which side is he talking about? throwing games and not caring is more harmful in my opinion Hes talking about naniwa throwing the games, he supports gom decision, im sorry if that wasnt clear i thought it was. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
Anyone confirm? | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:32 Vari wrote: it would mean nestea beat naniwa on tv that actually matters to some of us fans. I guess we're crazy! Both of the would've played even less than half-assed, the match would mean nothing. | ||
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Dimon87
Sweden218 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:31 anrimayu wrote: I wonder why a Korean tournament ran by Koreans in Korea sponsored by Korean companies are making decisions based on Korean culture? It just doesn't make sense. It is fully within their right and it DOES makes sense but they do also call themselves a global tournament. | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote: Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision. Think about it for a second and answer it honestly: You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something. Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled. Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? If I want to call myself a progamer, then yes. First of all, it's all about sportsmanship and respect. Also, there's another side to sports with an audience besides just results. | ||
TheExile19
513 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote: This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief. It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games. If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling? What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork. This is an embarrassment. - BM mules and nexii are culturally acceptable within the korean scene, and they occur after a FULL GAME has transpired. there is no rational comparison between them and a probe rush and I desperately wish people would stop trying to construct this false dichotomy. - we can say that he threw the game, because a probe rush is a functional 100% loss and a strategy that is a 100% loss is functionally the same as throwing a game or refusing to participate. neither are at all acceptable when a company is paying you to play games for them. - idra hasn't pulled that shit in korea, where nobody would stand for it. he is seeded though, so we'll see how long he lasts. - no, it's a rational decision by gom to not contract players that make them look silly for offering. I do wish they'd given him a second chance, but the korean scene and its standards are well-established and he shouldn't try to force people to accept his temper tantrums as the norm. | ||
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Chromodoris
Sweden136 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:29 michielbrands wrote: I don't understand why people do not agree with GSL decision, in any other sport NaNiWa would have been punished way harder. In soccer teams who lose with purpose, and that's what NaNiWa obivously did, they ban the team for like 5 years. I think NaNiWa gets away pretty good... If we want to make eSport serious, we need to punish seriously and that´s what GSL did. I am really sad NaNiWa made this stupid mistake, cause I like the player very much his playstyle is genius, but what he did yesterday was just plain stupid! In football they would not get 5 years of penalty for not playing their best in a match that does nothing, stop saying things that are not true. I've seen plenty football games where the match meant nothing and neither of the teams played to win and none of those games have been "hurting" football. Sure if you lose on purpose and it affects someone else or if you are fixing a match you'll get punished but that's not the case here. Sure he could be fined for not respecting the tournament but the games should not have been played in the first place. Revoking his Code S spot that he earned at MLG is way too harsh. Something that's alot worse than what Naniwa did is what Stephano did at DH since that meant that Cloud got a free win when the other two in the group had to play against a Stephano that tried. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Well done haters. Naniwa, ignore the nubs/haters. | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:34 Derez wrote: The way artosis put it on stream it sounded like Nani will still have a code S seed for the 2nd GSL in 2012. Anyone confirm? naniwa gets his code s seed revoked and is ONLY banned for ONE season of GSL. not perma. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote: Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit. This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread. No. You cannot win with a probe rush against a 6 pool. Unless you are in some shitty ladder league. Why are you lying like an idiot? | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:33 hYrasD wrote: Early expand like the other 3games and try to play a macro game? Why not? I dont get it and pls stop the bullshit it was meaningless it wasnt for the fans. So why didn't Leenock, MMA, or Polt early expand and try to play a macro game? How about MC vs MVP? Please quit with the double standards. | ||
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