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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:
You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with?
In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment.
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On December 14 2011 20:25 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:24 Lann555 wrote:On December 14 2011 20:23 theBALLS wrote:
Who else is now going to buy a ticket with their newfound respect for GOM?
I know I am! Haha, I don't think anyone will seriously boycott GOM. Anyone who gets so upset over this is far too much of a SC2 addict to pass up on GSL  Yeah, I can imagine all those people calling boycott wryly crawling back to their computers, taking a check behind their back then opening Gomplayer to watch GSL next week :D
I'm at least going to last a month! :p By that time nani is prolly back anyways.
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On December 14 2011 20:30 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:28 tribulator wrote:On December 14 2011 20:26 sebusca wrote:On December 14 2011 20:25 tribulator wrote:
The fucking 0-13 indianapolis colts should be banned from the NFL next season because they aren't trying to even win games anymore. There is a distinct difference. The Colts serve to BENEFIT from losing their games at this point via a better draft position leading to a better future for the team. Doing stupid shit and not playing a game serves no purpose other than making you look like an asshole. So sucking for luck is ok (making no visible effort to even try to win games, despite the fact that a few of these actually matter in playoff implications for other teams), but being pissed at yourself and throwing a game that really has 0 meaning for anything is not? no, people hate this in the nfl and is the reason there is a draft lottery in the NBA it isn't okay, people hate it and it may be changed because of this season.
This proves that you don't know anything at all about football.
It will NEVER be changed because intelligent fans don't hate it. Stupid fans hate it.
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On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment. I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol..
Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit.
This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread.
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I am not trying to excuse Naniwa's behavior. I just don't think Koreans should put themselves on such a high pedestal passing righteous judgment on everyone when they don't even hold the same standards to themselves. Seriously, I love how everyone forgets about the NASL incident. And that was so much worse than what Naniwa did. He threw away a game. They screwed a league for their whole season. And NASL tried negotiating with them. Naniwa wasn't given a choice to forfeit.
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On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment.
LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS? SO YOU WOULD THINK ITS OK IF A TERRAN PLAYER FLYS HIS BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE MAP. RETARDED
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:
You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment.
Yes you do see that ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Stop making shit up.
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On December 14 2011 20:29 Chromodoris wrote:
I would understand if they fined him for the money he got from blizzard cup, but having his Code S spot revoked is just plain bullshit. He earned that spot at MLG and then they revoke it because he didn't play a worthless game?
Worthless to who? Nani? People want to watch good SC2 games, people pay to watch good SC2 games. Sponsors pay an organization in hopes of good SC2 games.
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On December 14 2011 20:31 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:25 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 20:22 ggrrg wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game! With all his heart!? Do you really think that any progamer can do this after being eliminated in the most frustrating manner in 3 extremely close games? For Nestea and Naniwa it stopped being a tournament the moment they got 0-3. From them on it became an annoying waste of time. Also, it's quite disrespectful to start a post with "Kids"... Really? Does FC Munich just quit the field when they are down 0-3 in the 80 minute? Does Hamilton decide to just not drive the last 3 races if he can't be world champion? Your comparison makes me sick. They are professionals and they should act like they are. No because they could still come back or get a better score for future games. And no because he can place higher in the final rankings and earn more money. The thing is these games did not matter AT ALL. If Nestea won wouldn't change anything for anyone than if Naniwa won. The tournament was already over the match was a joke.
it would mean nestea beat naniwa on tv
that actually matters to some of us fans. I guess we're crazy!
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On December 14 2011 20:28 Vandalman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:25 tomatriedes wrote:On December 14 2011 20:21 mtvacuum wrote:
why are people comparing what Naniwa did to dropping a bm MULE? Because BM winning ceremonies are just as unprofessional as what Nani did to a lot of us but the Gom execs seem to think they're A-OK. When you think about it they serve no purpose towards winning the game and are simply done to aggravate the opponent. If they're going to punish people for 'abusive behaviors' they should be consistent about it. A BM mule is no where near as bad as purposely throwing a game. Some people paid money to see that 1 min of crap Nani did. They have major sponsors that they need to please, they cant have throwing games be acceptable.
That's a subjective opinion. To me and other people it's just as unprofessional to BM opponents as to throw a meaningless game. It really pissed me off seeing Leenock doing that burrow-unburrow BM crap against MC today.
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I'm with GOM on this. Bravo mr.Chae.
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Can you imagine what they would have done with John Mc Enroe Burning him at the stake haha
A warning should have been enough, i'm sure he wouldn't do it again after that. I guess pro scene is still very young.
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Lets say naniwa went for a cannon rush, put down a pylon, neastea ses it, pull probes and naniwa GGs. Would everything have been A OK then? Would all the important people who paid for this have gotten their moneys worth? Would GOMTV feel happy and would Nestea have feel that "fuck yea I got my revenge on that fucking naniwa"?
If anybody trully can say yes to that then they must be drunk or retarded. It would have been exactly the same but nobobyd would still have raged.
Naniwa did something that caught attention due to the nature of it, and people just rage and cry. I daubt Neaste gives a fuck.
And tbh, not sure if I got Huks tweet correct but if he is saying that stuff ilke this kills esport then I miss judged Huk so much and he has one less fan. Because thats just stupied to think. This wont affect esport at all, if anything GOMTV is killing esport with this bs!!
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I am finding it really hard to understand how anyone can defend Naniwa in this thread.
And to the Swedish people who are being very nationalistic: Why dont you save that support for the Swedish players who actually deserve it?
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On December 14 2011 20:30 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:27 hYrasD wrote:On December 14 2011 20:15 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game! The match was meaningless. If this match was to decide who was last in the up and down groups it wouldn't have been played. The only reason GOM showed it was because NESTEA VS NANIWA DRAMA OMG VIEWER COUNTS!!!! And thats the Point! Some People stand up all night long or woke up early, or used their break at work to watch that re game between Nestea and Nani. Rly no one cant be satisfied with that performance from nani, not the 3games before, u can lose to stupid one base allin´s. Just imagine CR or Leo Messi act like this in a Classico after they are 3goals behind. Would you have been more satisfied if NaNiwa poorly cannon rushed and left or poory proxied and left? Probably not. Also it's not Naniwa's fault that his opponents decided to cheese him all three games, MMA did it without even scouting him.
Early expand like the other 3games and try to play a macro game? Why not? I dont get it and pls stop the bullshit it was meaningless it wasnt for the fans.
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On December 14 2011 20:32 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote:On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:
You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment. Yes you do see that ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Stop making shit up.
they literally always finish the game
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GoM trying very hard to act even more retarded than Naniwa did, I see.
Well, they are helping esports by producing more drama, so I guess it's all good in the end. :/
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On December 14 2011 20:28 Nate.F wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:27 Dreamgzer wrote:
Also, as I said in another post; GOMtv will lose it's Sweden support. they wont.
Yes they will. and have.
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On December 14 2011 20:31 Clearout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:19 Nate.F wrote:On December 14 2011 20:19 Clearout wrote:On December 14 2011 20:18 Gaxton wrote:
To all the upset boycott/petition/"occupy Gomtv" people out there, see you back in the GSL LR threards next week. Won't see me! doubt it <3 No really, I discovered honcast and have skyrim. No need to pay money and invest my time into something that I no longer support. I will come back to watch when naniwa's ban is over though.
You aren't aware of the honcast shitstorm then when they lied and manipulated a sponsor into dropping their team due to them not liking that it was exposed they ran their tournaments unfairly and just shitty overall?
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On December 14 2011 20:30 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:27 hYrasD wrote:On December 14 2011 20:15 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game! The match was meaningless. If this match was to decide who was last in the up and down groups it wouldn't have been played. The only reason GOM showed it was because NESTEA VS NANIWA DRAMA OMG VIEWER COUNTS!!!! And thats the Point! Some People stand up all night long or woke up early, or used their break at work to watch that re game between Nestea and Nani. Rly no one cant be satisfied with that performance from nani, not the 3games before, u can lose to stupid one base allin´s. Just imagine CR or Leo Messi act like this in a Classico after they are 3goals behind. Would you have been more satisfied if NaNiwa poorly cannon rushed and left or poory proxied and left? Probably not. Also it's not Naniwa's fault that his opponents decided to cheese him all three games, MMA did it without even scouting him.
Yes, if he had attempted a cannon rush, it would have been better than what he did. At least he'd have a *chance* to win. Essentially what he did was the equivalent of match fixing.
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