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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:24 ReaperX wrote: Start out by pointing out a game Sen has won in the GSL. When Sen was in the GSL he made it to the Ro32 and had some close ZvZ's vs NesTea And he beat Naniwa in Blizzcon so I wouldn't say that the gap between their skill levels is THAT massive | ||
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tribulator
774 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:26 sebusca wrote: There is a distinct difference. The Colts serve to BENEFIT from losing their games at this point via a better draft position leading to a better future for the team. Doing stupid shit and not playing a game serves no purpose other than making you look like an asshole. So sucking for luck is ok (making no visible effort to even try to win games, despite the fact that a few of these actually matter in playoff implications for other teams), but being pissed at yourself and throwing a game that really has 0 meaning for anything is not? | ||
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Floobie
England296 Posts
Naniwa is supposed to be a proffesional SC2 player, he has been invited, and paid, to play in a televised tournament. He then proceeds to throw a match. Im a Naniwa fan and enjoy watching him play, WATCHING HIM PLAY. Not watching him blatently throw a match. He deffinately offended me by throwing the match. "During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours" Though i do think Gom should make the rule much clearer then that, it leaves alot to interpretation. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
That analogy is quite good actually. | ||
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sickra
68 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:26 pesshaulol wrote: He drone rushed Nestea in a meaningless game, gg's. For that he gets kicked out of GSL because: This "abusive" behaviour was apparently SO HORRIBLE compared to all the BM we've seen in the GSL so far. T_T hahaha if thats the only thing he did "wrong" GOMTV clearly doesnt whant naniwa in the GSL. hope they atlaest loose some viewers. [/QUOTE] I doubt they will lose any viewers. There are 10x more Idra fans than Naniwa fans. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 Executor1 wrote: I agree with huk LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season? LorangerChris As much as everyone likes to overuse "killing esports", noone actually uses in the example when it actually is. Things like this kil esports from huks twitter. which side is he talking about? throwing games and not caring is more harmful in my opinion | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 Dreamgzer wrote: Also, as I said in another post; GOMtv will lose it's Sweden support. The universe collapses. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
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Vandalman
United States66 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:25 tomatriedes wrote: Because BM winning ceremonies are just as unprofessional as what Nani did to a lot of us but the Gom execs seem to think they're A-OK. When you think about it they serve no purpose towards winning the game and are simply done to aggravate the opponent. If they're going to punish people for 'abusive behaviors' they should be consistent about it. A BM mule is no where near as bad as purposely throwing a game. Some people paid money to see that 1 min of crap Nani did. They have major sponsors that they need to please, they cant have throwing games be acceptable. | ||
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Kawe
1 Post
I think a warning would've sufficed. | ||
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Dimon87
Sweden218 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:18 anrimayu wrote: no naniwa = no longer global Let's ignore every other foreigners in the gsl because using hyperboles is cool What i meant was that this decision is fully based on korean culture and it seems they do not care about the west. Way to harsh punishment. | ||
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BCH
Philippines88 Posts
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote: Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision. Think about it for a second and answer it honestly: You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something. Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled. Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? yeah, because I'm not a silly emotional child. there is no excuse along this line of logic, don't even bother. if naniwa acted like this under any other business contract, he'd meet the exact same results because you don't get paid to pitch a fit. he wasn't even trying to be noble and make a point, he was just opting out because, well, he's naniwa, fuck them! | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
If we want to make eSport serious, we need to punish seriously and that´s what GSL did. I am really sad NaNiWa made this stupid mistake, cause I like the player very much his playstyle is genius, but what he did yesterday was just plain stupid! Not being able to give your 100% because the match "doesnt matter", is a stupid excuse, you can also play on 90% and make the best out of it. Next to that you are playing for an audience who paid to see you play, so you better make sure you can also play 100% when the match "doesn't matter", because the people who watch you play, pay for it, that are the people who MAKE IT POSSIBLE for you to be a "PRO" player... | ||
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Chromodoris
Sweden136 Posts
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote: Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision. Think about it for a second and answer it honestly: You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something. Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled. Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? I would play it seriously because my match is televised and I dont want to look horrible. I'd be disappointed that I hadnt succeeded in the pool so far and would have to prove a point. | ||
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generalyao
United States262 Posts
If he had just 4 gated, people would not be giving him as much shit as they are now. It's still pretty much the same thing. Do you think he would have lost his Code S spot then? I don't see how that is fair. And I've seen many other players do similar things. Idra has forfeited many times in MLG or just 6 pooled repeatedly in meaningless games. Stephano did similar things in Dream hack. Where's the mob asking for their heads when they do it? Naniwa is emotional and not smart about a lot of things, but he shouldn't be crucified for it. OR even if he gets the reaction he got, be fair and anytime someone does something like this there should be similar reaction. Naniwa does draw a lot of unfavorable attention and criticism. A lot of it is justified, but we need to be fair too. One last thing, I also find it hilarious of the Koreans to do such a thing after the NASL fiasco. They want to talk about disrespecting the game and commitment? Talk about hypocritical. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games. If you force them to play a game, which is essentially being played for fun with absolutely no benefit to the players, you might as well not have them play at all. They obviously weren't going to be playing their best anyway, so that argument is bullshit. If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling? What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork. This is an embarrassment. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Side Note: Sen Fighting!! | ||
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